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[WanDaMan]

Konidias: When will your version be ready?

[konidias]

Some time in the middle of this century. Har har har.

[Shiftk03-]

Originally Posted by konidias

Some time in the middle of this century. Har har har.

With a record like yours, I wouldn't be surprised if the world ended before you finished. You have no room to sit there and joke on Lance when you can't even produce a server any faster. I don't care what problems you say you're having. If you are so good then where the hell is Oasis or your version of G2k1? "Wahh. I can't get help" cry me a river then go drown yourself in it.

[konidias]

Such harsh words. I have a record now? I've only attempted one actual project which I was pretty much doing all by myself. At the time I was not able to script the advanced enemy AI I needed for the server, so the project had to be put on hold. I'm not crying about it or trying to make excuses. I simply couldn't proceed with the project.

I have plenty of room to "joke on Lance" because unlike Oasis, Graal2001 was a server that already existed, and he refuses to give up his management position, even though he's had over 9 months to get the project finished and it's STILL delayed. In fact, back in November of last year he was asked to step down and give someone else a chance, but instead he made a big post about how he was going to hire a bunch of people and get the project done.... back in NOVEMBER. November is only two months away now.

My 2k1 revision only started less than 2 months ago, and I've done 95% of the work on my own, and even though I'm unaware of Lance's 2k1 progress, I would safely bet that I've done more than his "team" has in the past 6 months.

I have every right to be agitated because he caused a huge ordeal with me starting my revision, because he refused to give up the server months ago. He told Stefan he only had to touch up a few things and test out a few things and made it sound like it would take a week tops to finish. Even Stefan said that's what Lance made it sound like. Then Stefan asks Lance how long it's going to take him and Lance gave some lengthy release date like 2-6 months. (I don't recall the actual date)

I know you're pals with Lance and you're just posting to show your support for him, but let's face the facts already. I guarantee that even if Lance releases his verson soon, it will just fail and he will blame it on the players (again) because they pushed him to release it too early.

[Shiftk03-]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Ahahaha. If you're trying to defend Lance by bashing the "Wahh. I can't get help" excuse, you've just failed. Failed quite badly.

Lance is a big boy and he can defend himself. I'm just pointing out that Konidias hasn't shown he can do any better, reguardless of if he is working on the project himself or not. That comment about him drowning himself in his own woe, yeah, I kinda direct that to everyone who wants to run their mouth about someone else when they themselves can be considered guilty of the same. Better mark this in your nifty website as me "pushing my moral failures on others" again. Haha man you need to lay off the juice.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Shiftk03-

Lance is a big boy and he can defend himself. I'm just pointing out that Konidias hasn't shown he can do any better, reguardless of if he is working on the project himself or not.

Why didn't you ever say anything like that to Lance, then?

Originally Posted by Shiftk03-

That comment about him drowning himself in his own woe, yeah, I kinda direct that to everyone who wants to run their mouth about someone else when they themselves can be considered guilty of the same. Better mark this in your nifty website as me "pushing my moral failures on others" again.

No, this qualifies as an act of hypocrisy. It's not really anything to do with moral failures, just intellectual ones.

[konidias]

I agree. Lance has used the excuse of "not enough staff" or "staff aren't active" nearly every time his project is delayed. Isn't it the manager's job to make sure there are enough active staff? He fails at one of the most important roles of a manager.

If you have a full team of active staff, you barely have to lift a finger as manager. Lance appears to be waiting for them to all fall into his lap so he can show how great of a manager he is after they've done all the work.

[xAndrewx]

I don't know what Lance has done, over the past few years of him managing, but Konidas has done alot, in just 2 months..

[Lance]

Originally Posted by konidias

I have plenty of room to "joke on Lance" because unlike Oasis, Graal2001 was a server that already existed, and he refuses to give up his management position, even though he's had over 9 months to get the project finished and it's STILL delayed. In fact, back in November of last year he was asked to step down and give someone else a chance, but instead he made a big post about how he was going to hire a bunch of people and get the project done.... back in NOVEMBER. November is only two months away now.

1) There has yet to exist a good argument for why I should give up my management position.
2) Asked to step down by a player. It would seem you are trying to make it sound like this was by someone with the actual authority to make such a request.
3) How does that give you room to "joke on Lance"?

My 2k1 revision only started less than 2 months ago, and I've done 95% of the work on my own,

Oh, good for you. Percentages really tell a lot about total work, by the way. I do what I can with the resources (staff + time) available to me.

and even though I'm unaware of Lance's 2k1 progress, I would safely bet that I've done more than his "team" has in the past 6 months.

I don't understand. You state that you know nothing about something and then state with confidence that you've done better. If that doesn't fly in the face of reason then I have a swamp in Florida I'd like to sell you.

I have every right to be agitated because he caused a huge ordeal with me starting my revision, because he refused to give up the server months ago.

I caused a huge ordeal? I believe, sir, that you were the kid whining to Stefan on several occasions that he should give Graal2001 to you and fire me for being so evil.

He told Stefan he only had to touch up a few things and test out a few things and made it sound like it would take a week tops to finish.

When, where?

Even Stefan said that's what Lance made it sound like.

Haha. I could quote something he said to me, too, but since it was made in private and I actually respect that, I won't.

Suffice it to say you had better have something good to show for all the troublemaking.

Then Stefan asks Lance how long it's going to take him and Lance gave some lengthy release date like 2-6 months. (I don't recall the actual date)

I thought I said it could take a week (according to you). What happened to that? And, if you don't recall the date, how can we be assured that you are recalling the remainder of this exchange correctly?

I know you're pals with Lance and you're just posting to show your support for him, but let's face the facts already.

Yeah, dude. The existence of a friendship totally precludes the accuracy of anything said and stuff. Totally.

I guarantee that even if Lance releases his verson soon, it will just fail

Guarantee, huh? On what basis?

and he will blame it on the players (again) because they pushed him to release it too early.

Because you know how I just love blaming the people I want to play the server. You know, the people I am actually doing all this stuff for. Saying I made a bad call by releasing it too early is totally blaming it on others.

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Look, Konidias. If you're going to be anti-Lance, at least try to bring in some Real Facts and Logic. Posting fictional 'facts', misleading statistics, misrepresentations of reality, and fallacious arguments just isn't going to cut it around here (except, of course, with VT - remember, if you ever actually point out a fallacy he has committed, he insists that you are actually "employing hilariously redundant Latin phraseology" rather than accept that he has made an error in reasoning).

[Clash]

how about we just all sit around the camp fire, exchange some brews, and yell at clash for not finishing new valikorlia yet!!!

but really. the whole "WHY ISNT G2k1 DONE YET" is almost as bad as the valikorlians screaming at me asking why new valikorlia isn't done yet (i was even accused of being a pedophile because it wasn't done. i'm not sure how, but these roleplayers sure are imaginative folk.)

a quality product takes time, and unless you want a ****ty g2k1 then shut the hell up - flaming isn't going to do anything. konidias, lance owns g2k1.
you may hate it, the entire world may hate it - but it doesn't matter. because he runs it now. just sort of like how i absolutely despise our current PWA system, because it's absolutely the most inefficent thing on the planet earth. however i do not whine and cry about it like a little girl. i just yell at people a lot.

personally my view on the matter is the fact i find it horribly ironic and cruel that i wasted 50 dollars on graal expecting g2k1 to last a long time - when i could of saved that 50 dollars and bought a nice lobster dinner. stupid me.

if you want to complain and whine. that's cool, but don't expect to be public hero konidias. because usually people who complain against my management get punched in the face, and if lance is anything like me he has an iron cast NES power glove.

but if you want to help, why don't you offer lance your help? adhere to his ideas, and work with them. if you can supposedly do more then his team has done in six months in a week - then do it.

lance is the only way g2k1 is coming back, so get use to it.

i am sorry if i seem offensive, but seriously. offer help, or shut the bloody hell up.
i'm so tired of seeing this "WHAREZ G2k1!?!?!" crap because it reminds me i have to work on new val to beat g2k1 and that makes me depressed because i am sloth.

have a nice day =)


ALSO MY LEGS ARE IMPOSSIBLY HAIRY

[Brad]

so whens 2k1 comin out? huh? huh?>!@!!?!!

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Clash

ALSO MY LEGS ARE IMPOSSIBLY HAIRY

Puberty boy, puberty.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Lance

1) There has yet to exist a good argument for why I should give up my management position.

You haven't given a reason why you should keep it, either. The fact is, you've had months and haven't done anything. We don't care why, we just care that we still haven't a 2k1 server to play. The year 2001 was four years ago. Why is it that the server that was created in 2001 is "not ready" by 2005?

Originally Posted by Lance

2) Asked to step down by a player. It would seem you are trying to make it sound like this was by someone with the actual authority to make such a request.

So I guess because a player made the request, it is a bad idea?

Originally Posted by Lance

3) How does that give you room to "joke on Lance"?

Because your position is absurd.

Originally Posted by Lance

Oh, good for you. Percentages really tell a lot about total work, by the way. I do what I can with the resources (staff + time) available to me.

Yet you'll let one of your cronies violently bash someone for this very same reason. You know, telling someone to "drown themself" is kind of wrong, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Lance

I don't understand. You state that you know nothing about something and then state with confidence that you've done better. If that doesn't fly in the face of reason then I have a swamp in Florida I'd like to sell you.

I guess statistics and probabilities are lost to you?
It's not unfair to suggest that Konidias is working faster and more quality-efficient than you. So far, the only screenshots we have are ones that show minute improvement. Conversely, Konidias has shown us interesting screenshots over a comparitively small amount of time.

Originally Posted by Lance

I caused a huge ordeal? I believe, sir, that you were the kid whining to Stefan on several occasions that he should give Graal2001 to you and fire me for being so evil.

You do make such a fuss over competition, because then you have to work to keep your job.

Originally Posted by Lance

Haha. I could quote something he said to me, too, but since it was made in private and I actually respect that, I won't.

Want a pacifier to help you suck up?
By the way, you are doing exactly what you're accusing Koni of in the next quote:

Originally Posted by Lance

I thought I said it could take a week (according to you). What happened to that? And, if you don't recall the date, how can we be assured that you are recalling the remainder of this exchange correctly?

Originally Posted by Lance

Yeah, dude. The existence of a friendship totally precludes the accuracy of anything said and stuff. Totally.

Obviously, as it precludes the necessity to edit Rabid's post to remove what you deem as "cheerleading" (which is, by the way, a laughable excuse which will be reported to the higher officials).

Originally Posted by Lance

Guarantee, huh? On what basis?

Well, you've failed at showing reasonable results for this work you claim to be doing. Seven screenshots doesn't account for so many months of what seems to be inactivity.

Originally Posted by Lance

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Look, Konidias. If you're going to be anti-Lance, at least try to bring in some Real Facts and Logic. Posting fictional 'facts', misleading statistics, misrepresentations of reality, and fallacious arguments just isn't going to cut it around here (except, of course, with VT - remember, if you ever actually point out a fallacy he has committed, he insists that you are actually "employing hilariously redundant Latin phraseology" rather than accept that he has made an error in reasoning).

I really must update that site. You've all given me much more ammunition than I previously had.

[Lao_Su2]

I think the Graal community is just wondering what is going on so it can "almost" all be solved with the answer to this question

Koni and Lance what have you done in the time that you have had to develop?

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Lance

1) There has yet to exist a good argument for why I should give up my management position.
2) Asked to step down by a player. It would seem you are trying to make it sound like this was by someone with the actual authority to make such a request.
3) How does that give you room to "joke on Lance"?

1) 2k1 is still not released. That's all the argument you need. Seriously, you have to be kidding about this.
2) Which apparently was important enough for you to make an enormous post about 2k1 and how you're going to turn it around and actually get to work. (see link at bottom of this post for reference)
3) How doesn't it?

Oh, good for you. Percentages really tell a lot about total work, by the way. I do what I can with the resources (staff + time) available to me.

Well apparently you don't have enough time OR staff to manage 2k1 efficiently. Give it up already.

I don't understand. You state that you know nothing about something and then state with confidence that you've done better. If that doesn't fly in the face of reason then I have a swamp in Florida I'd like to sell you.

I know enough. When Stefan was questioning you he was checking out your server and saying there hadn't been a file changed on the server in quite a few months. I've talked with previous staff who've said nothing was getting done. That is why I stated with confidence that I've done more. The only reason I have any doubt is that I don't know what has been done in the past month. But I have a feeling it's not much.

I caused a huge ordeal? I believe, sir, that you were the kid whining to Stefan on several occasions that he should give Graal2001 to you and fire me for being so evil.

So I'm a kid now? Real mature. I didn't whine to Stefan about anything. I wanted both of us to be able to work on our own projects but Stefan wasn't as thrilled with the idea. When you showed no signs of stepping down from a project that you're NOT GETTING DONE, that is when I decided it would be better to just replace your 2k1.

When, where?

A little over a month ago. 2k2 Debug RC.

Edit: Sorry, no debug logs.

Because you know how I just love blaming the people I want to play the server. You know, the people I am actually doing all this stuff for. Saying I made a bad call by releasing it too early is totally blaming it on others.

*cough*

Originally Posted by Lance

[Insert release of the server without kingdoms (and subsequent failure) because "That's what the players wanted - the server. It doesn't need to have kingdoms, they say!" Yeah, right. That didn't work.]

Also I find this (which you also said in that post) quite amusing:

Time passed. Jeff continued to be manager, nothing was going on, and he was working against (rather than for) the progress of the server. I grew dissatisfied, and spoke with Stefan on several occasions to try to achieve some change on the server.

Wow, that sounds familiar. Except of course when YOU whined to Stefan it wasn't "whining" it was "speaking".

Oh and the thread I'm quoting this from is:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=56145