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Old 08-20-2005, 12:33 PM
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Surely more players would buy VIP because they need it for RC/Playerworlds, not because they don't need it for such things?
People won't soley pay for a VIP or GOLD just to work on a server. It's more of a bonus which people don't even bother taking account for.
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That's illogical. People suck at developing (for the most part). Why would you want more people on RC? It's just making Graal look bad.
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:34 PM
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That's illogical. People suck at developing (for the most part). Why would you want more people on RC? It's just making Graal look bad.
They're dev servers that no one sees nor will ever see.
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:48 PM
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They're dev servers that no one sees nor will ever see.
They're on the serverlist (on rc). If that was the case, admis would just have a bunch of non-devs idle on the server so people would see the server and ask for jobs. I say if you want to develop buy a VIP.
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Old 08-21-2005, 03:18 AM
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Surely more players would buy VIP because they need it for RC/Playerworlds, not because they don't need it for such things?
Thats not what I was saying Spark... yes you might lose some money when it comes to people upgrading VIP, but like Crono said most people won't upgrade it for that, its just one of the perks.

I was saying that the faster development goes, and the more themes/new playerworlds new players have to choose from, the better the chances are of them finding something they like and pay for a regular p2p to play. So you might lose money on VIP but in the long run you would probably make some, the game would become bigger, which would hopefully draw more people to it.
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Old 08-21-2005, 07:11 AM
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I say if you want to develop buy a VIP.
If I want to develop, upgrade? Do you want me to point out how stupid you are? You're doing a fine job yourself. Why should I have to upgrade an account to work constantly, putting all that time and effort into something so that Stefan can make even more money marketing MY product. Developers should be able to use RC on any playerworld.
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Old 08-21-2005, 04:38 PM
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If I want to develop, upgrade? Do you want me to point out how stupid you are? You're doing a fine job yourself. Why should I have to upgrade an account to work constantly, putting all that time and effort into something so that Stefan can make even more money marketing MY product. Developers should be able to use RC on any playerworld.
Thats what I was saying, without people developing graal it would be dead, so why should we pay to keep someone else's game alive and making them more money. But I still say that if they removed this and more things got done and developed graal would get bigger and in the end they would be making more money.
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Old 08-22-2005, 06:29 AM
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putting all that time and effort into something so that Stefan can make even more money marketing MY product. Developers should be able to use RC on any playerworld.
Your using Graal Onlines system to create your work, so it's not just YOUR work, right?

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Developers should be able to use RC on any playerworld.
I agree, yet again.
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:33 AM
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Your using Graal Onlines system to create your work, so it's not just YOUR work, right?
By the same respect writing html or php for a website is not just your work because another protocol you did not write from scratch yourself comes in, right?

Making a 3d graphic using 3ds means it is also 3ds's work because you are using their services...Right?

Wrong, Something about all these situations seem flawed at best. The GO system is just tools to create things, by no means what-so-ever is the time and effort put into the stuff GO or anyone elses work for that matter, except the person who took the time out to do it. GOs work lies in the fact they made the programs to make stuff, not what is made with them.

I havent seen a new classic server in years.*

This is probably because the whole process has become slow, not fun, and it feels like a grind to develop.

Expecially when you buy the server, and if you cant get it through the slew of politics and pwa to get it classic, then people actually have to pay if they want on. Otherwise you paid 60/100 or so dollars for a server that boasts a superior 0 playercount.

Giving people a reason to want to develop, that is what graal lacks severely.

*Note: New does not include revamped old, for anyone who might try that thing, i mean something completely new.
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Old 08-22-2005, 07:21 PM
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I havent seen a new classic server in years.*
I was saying that last night, and it's a shame.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:10 AM
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I was saying that last night, and it's a shame.
What about Shaded Legend? And i'm sure Aeon will be the next Classic playerworld.
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Anyone notice how bad the majority of new servers are? Opening up RC wouldn't improve that at all.
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Old 08-23-2005, 09:27 PM
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Anyone notice how bad the majority of new servers are? Opening up RC wouldn't improve that at all.
Yes it would what the hell are you talking about. If more people could be hired without having to pay for VIP or Gold, then more development would get done and at a quicker pace. I know a lot of great NAts and LATs that would work on a server but they don't want to pay for a VIP just for that, and they shouldn't have to.


Oh and yea and I haven't really seen any good classic servers come out in a long time...
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Old 08-24-2005, 07:34 AM
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What about Shaded Legend?
I am sorry Shaded Legend is not new.

I had a really good desire to finish what i started and attempt to finish a playerworld to go classic, but it seems that the politicing it takes to earn a spot like that, doubled with the fact you now have to pay for a CHANCE (mind you, unguaranteed, because you paid for it not everyone can play it yet).

There has not been a new one in ages, yes i will stand by the claim of years.

The fact is like i said before, there is just not enough on graal to make someone want to finish.

Development when it was fun back on EL, it will never be like that again, but that made me want to develop.

Its the same way with everyone, they have this idea, it starts on graal, its all good. They start working, they get excited and...Then they move on.

Its not really about what you can do anymore, but just who you know.
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Old 08-24-2005, 07:43 AM
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I was saying that last night, and it's a shame.
Well hey when ProjectR gets up you can thank me and James. (Andy0687)
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