The Fine Line - The Limit of Roleplaying - Page 2

Draenin · #1 06-22-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Butz came up with a better solution that I do believe we all agreed on.

We didn't "all agree" on anything. You just liked the idea, and you ran with it. The problem is that you do not listen, Gambet.

And no, by "we"

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we should not throw any insults

You meant me. And by

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anyone in the team

You meant yourself. You are not the Team, Gambet.

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A team is not a team if we have an outcast.

You were an outcast from the beginning. (A 'testmember.')

Gambet · #2 06-22-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

We didn't "all agree" on anything. You just liked the idea, and you ran with it. The problem is that you do not listen, Gambet.

Considering you said you agreed on it and I said I agreed on it and Butz made the suggestion, then I guess that means we all agreed on it (atleast everyone who was there at the moment). Remember, it does not mean that what Butz suggested would be used, it just means that we found a better solution for an idea, which is a good thing.

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And no, by "we"

You meant me. And by

By "we" I meant The Team.

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You were an outcast from the beginning. (A 'testmember.')

That does not make me an outcast. I'm in the team on more of a trial basis to show Bjoern and Sam that I can keep up with both my Zone job and GK job.

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

1) How exactly do you intend to enforce them?
2) You seem to be arguing that a bad rule can only be removed if a better one can be identified?

1) I'm not going to enforce that rule if the team does not agree upon it. As I said, my intentions are not to punish, but rather to teach.

2) Not exactly. A bad rule can be removed, but we still have not found valid reasoning for it to be deemed a "bad rule". It is quite useful for those beginning to learn, and it's also useful during role playing events (which was explained a few posts above by someone else).

Kaimetsu · #3 06-22-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I'm not going to enforce that rule if the team does not agree upon it. As I said, my intentions are not to punish, but rather to teach

This seems to conflict with your earlier statement:

"they will have to still be used in the future"

If they are not going to be enforced, how are they going to be "used"?

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Not exactly. A bad rule can be removed, but we still have not found valid reasoning for it to be deemed a "bad rule"

Well, I already explained that. Context usually makes it easy to tell that a person is speaking out of character. The brackets don't add anything, and they inconvenience the players. Bad rule.

Your words:

"Until we, the team, come up with better rules to replace them [...]"

Are you now rescinding this and agreeing that the rule could be removed even without a replacement, as long as it can be shown to be detrimental?

Gambet · #4 06-22-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

This seems to conflict with your earlier statement:

"they will have to still be used in the future"

If they are not going to be enforced, how are they going to be "used"?

They won't be if the team decides to not use them.

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Well, I already explained that. Context usually makes it easy to tell that a person is speaking out of character. The brackets don't add anything, and they inconvenience the players. Bad rule.

Your words:

"Until we, the team, come up with better rules to replace them [...]"

Are you now rescinding this and agreeing that the rule could be removed even without a replacement, as long as it can be shown to be detrimental?

Yes, I will bring up this discussion with the team when we have our meeting. We have still yet to meet everyone together, so nothing has been determined as of yet. But, all suggestions are welcome.

Kaimetsu · #5 06-22-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

They won't be if the team decides to not use them

Then you are rescinding your statement. Okay.

If it were all up to you, how would you enforce the rule?

xAndrewx · #6 06-22-2005, 06:09 PM

Kingdoms were invented on Graal Kingdoms for RP. If you don't want to RP then don't join a kingdom.

Draenin · #7 06-22-2005, 06:15 PM

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Considering you said you agreed on it and I said I agreed on it and Butz made the suggestion, then I guess that means we all agreed on it (atleast everyone who was there at the moment). Remember, it does not mean that what Butz suggested would be used, it just means that we found a better solution for an idea, which is a good thing.

What the hell? Okay, whatever. I didn't agree to anything regarding areas designated for RP. Period. We did not all agree.

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Originally Posted by Gambet

That does not make me an outcast. I'm in the team on more of a trial basis to show Bjoern and Sam that I can keep up with both my Zone job and GK job.

You are clearly not. Your mind is still "Zoned out." People don't like being punished for not using a damned set of parinthesis. Your ideas snuff out the more fun aspects of it.

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A bad rule can be removed, but we still have not found valid reasoning for it to be deemed a "bad rule".

Do not say "we." Have we met on this yet? No. Has everyone had a chance for input? No. Quit putting your words in our mouths.

Gambet · #8 06-22-2005, 06:18 PM

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What the hell? Okay, whatever. I didn't agree to anything regarding areas designated for RP. Period. We did not all agree.

AIM logs say differently.

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You are clearly not. Your mind is still "Zoned out." People don't like being punished for not using a damned set of parinthesis. Your ideas snuff out the more fun aspects of it.

Read what I said to Kai about the enforcing of rules.

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Do not say "we." Have we met on this yet? No. Has everyone had a chance for input? No. Quit putting your words in our mouths.

I said 'we' as in everyone complaining about it in this thread, not the team. It seems you are rather confused.

Draenin · #9 06-22-2005, 06:38 PM

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supathug818: a definite rule is that if you are not in an OOC zone then you ARE IN CHARACTER NO MATTER WHAT and if you are caught speaking in OOC terms without OOC brackets, then you will be first warned, then punished if it happens again.

That is how.

Gambet · #10 06-22-2005, 06:40 PM

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That is how.

That would be irrelevant if we removed OOC brackets, now wouldn't it?

Think, my friend.

Draenin · #11 06-22-2005, 06:42 PM

You first.

You have been promoting the use of brackets, and now you want to remove them? Way to think.

Gambet · #12 06-22-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

You first.

You have been promoting the use of brackets, and now you want to remove them? Way to think.

Read everything I've been saying. Kai provided good reasoning as to why they wouldn't be needed, so this can be discussed during our first meeting. As I said, I'm not going to enforce anything that is not agreed upon the team. I'll be sure to bring up the whole OOC brackets topic when we do have the meeting.

Craigus · #13 06-22-2005, 06:54 PM

If your going to inforce RP'ing inforce it..at the moment your asking people to carry on how they normally do with double brackets, this is kind of stupid..most situations trades/teaming together etc can be made into a RP'ing conversation with a little imagination, brackets should just be used for unavoidable things such as "What level is a certain spell, or what level do i need to bless bile+3, these sorts of questions can't be turned into RP situations.

Gambet · #14 06-22-2005, 06:56 PM

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If your going to inforce RP'ing inforce it..at the moment your asking people to carry on how they normally do with double brackets, this is kind of stupid..most situations trades/teaming together etc can be made into a RP'ing conversation with a little imagination, brackets should just be used for unavoidable things such as "What level is a certain spell, or what level do i need to bless bile+3, these sorts of questions can't be turned into RP situations.

Yes, all of this will, hopefully, be discussed by everyone in the team.

Draenin · #15 06-22-2005, 06:57 PM

Definitely. Thank you, Craig.

Gambet, read the rules of the team again. The part about how we enforce RPing.

Edit: I have a job thing to go to. If I come back to about 80 posts of Gambet rant, I'm going to throw grenades at random people. I'm not kidding.

Gambet · #16 06-22-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

Definitely. Thank you, Craig.

Gambet, read the rules of the team again. The part about how we enforce RPing.

There are no rules on how we enforce RPing, since we have not made them yet.

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Edit: I have a job thing to go to. If I come back to about 80 posts of Gambet rant, I'm going to throw grenades at random people. I'm not kidding.

Oh, how professional of you

Draenin · #17 06-22-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

There are no rules on how we enforce RPing, since we have not made them yet.

Want to bet on that?

Gambet · #18 06-22-2005, 07:16 PM

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Want to bet on that?

Stop acting like a child and act professionally, as you should in the position you are at. Where are these rules?

Draenin · #19 06-22-2005, 11:58 PM

The rules are in the forum PM you were supposed to get from Sam. If you state that there are no rules in it, then you clearly do not have the capacity for clear interpretation.

Gambet · #20 06-23-2005, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

The rules are in the forum PM you were supposed to get from Sam. If you state that there are no rules in it, then you clearly do not have the capacity for clear interpretation.

There are rules, but no rules on how we should enforce RPing.

Draenin · #21 06-23-2005, 12:18 AM

The rules are right there. They're just not in a list format. Everything we need to do is right there, Gambet.

Googi · #22 06-23-2005, 12:20 AM

Forum PM? If there are rules, then they should be posted on the board so everyone can see what they are.

Draenin · #23 06-23-2005, 12:29 AM

They're basic instructions more than rules, Googi. But we still have to abide by them.

Edit: I also have an event to go to for the next four days. So if you are expecting me to reply, you're out of luck. I will be back on Monday.