Dev-Update for Atrius

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Darlene, if thats not enough to use it, then I'll just call it my electronic copy, because I have the model in real life.

I didn't think it was that hard for someone to grasp the concept of copywrighted material.

[Snakeandy7]

want 2 c my version era??!!

[Chris]

Originally Posted by zim5354

....Anyway about the Era thing....Atrius puts Era to shame....

You've got to be kidding me.

[Enerith]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

I didn't think it was that hard for someone to grasp the concept of copywrighted material.

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game. My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted, it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG. 1. I made it from MSPaint. 2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online. 3. Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies. 4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?
Thanks, goodbye.

[Waltz5]

Bah, I hate when the margins get screwed up .

Originally Posted by Enerith

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game.

Ok you got me... you know all due to the fact your a business major.

My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted.

Ok that's all well and good, but that's mine.

it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG.

I don't have a server with obvious duplicates of characters, all of that other stuff, like music, is not relevant.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game. My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted, it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG. 1. I made it from MSPaint. 2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online. 3. Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies. 4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?
Thanks, goodbye.

The name Zelda Online was changed due to copyright issues. If you're a business major, I hope it is not in business law, because you know nothing about it.

Originally Posted by Enerith

1. I made it from MSPaint.

Okay, wow. So I read someone elses published work, and then copy it by typing in MS Word, so the copyright on the work becomes invalid?

Originally Posted by Enerith

2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online

Or a game that was called that about 8 years ago, but was changed to to copyright issues.

Originally Posted by Enerith

3.Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies.

You've already admitted it is him. Invalid.

Originally Posted by Enerith

4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?

No, but I did not then take that MP3 and use it in a body of published work without permission.

And exactly how does someone else doing something wrong justify you doing it?

[Enerith]

Once again, the first word that comes to mind is wow. I said don't assume that my knowledge is inferior, I didn't say it was superior. Looking up Waltz, you commented on the ability to grasp the concept of a copyright, or in your words 'copywrite', not the fact that Sephi has a copyright. I'm pretty sure people reproduce characters all the time online and otherwise. I can think of numberous heads and bodies on graal itself that copy those things directly. Could something be held against it? Possibly. Do I care? Not really, its my artwork, just like everyone else does their own reproductions.

Edit: I stress the fact that I don't really care. If you don't like reproductions, attack your precious graal instead. You guys really need to look back and see what your saying. You just said the name was changed from Zelda Online to Graal. Wow, direct copyright infringement... I make a small work of art based on something I own, call him Sephraaloth to spite you, and you still don't see my point. And yes, I have a very good understanding of Business Law, Inspiration.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Enerith

I said don't assume that my knowledge is inferior

No one assumed it was inferior, you proved it to be.

Originally Posted by Enerith

I'm pretty sure people reproduce characters all the time online and otherwise.

Do they then use them in bodies of work that produce monetary gain for them?

Originally Posted by Enerith

I can think of numberous heads and bodies on graal itself that copy those things directly

And these wrongs justify yours how?

Originally Posted by Enerith

Could something be held against it? Possibly. Do I care? Not really, its my artwork, just like everyone else does their own

Awesome. Keep it off graal.

Originally Posted by Enerith

Edit: I stress the fact that I don't really care. If you don't like reproductions, attack your precious graal instead. You guys really need to look back and see what your saying. You just said the name was changed from Zelda Online to Graal. Wow, direct copyright infringement... I make a small work of art based on something I own, call him Sephraaloth to spite you, and you still don't see my point. And yes, I have a very good understanding of Business Law, Inspiration.

Then are you getting everything about it wrong on purpose, for fun?

If you have played Graal long enough, you'd know that Stefan at a point was forced to change many things due to Nintendo getting on him about copyrights. Graal now for the most part bares a slight, but extremely loose, resemblance to Zelda.

Your character is sephiroth. He is not some guy with a long sword and long hair. You've made no notable changes to the design.

No one cares if you care if you're breaking rules or not. It's not okay to do something simply because you don't care if you do it.

[Enerith]

This work does not have any monetary gain for me in anyway, in fact, I pay for it. If graal admins don't like the graphics, they can take it down... but make sure they take down everything that resembles any other game in the process. Oh, and read my edit above. Someone please lock this topic, its completely off the point and doesn't need to continue since people have to pick out details that are over-ironic and don't need to be argued about.

Edit: I'm not posting about that again, this will be my last comment about it. In response to your next post: I am quite aware of the technical side of things, I said I don't care. Leave it up to the globals to decide, but if they are going to make that decision, make sure they delete every sephiroth, crono trigger, etc etc body/head uploaded on any of the servers. Especially the public servers. Oh, and... you know... it was never ok for people to have the same hair style or wear the same clothes in this world, right? (sarcasm) Technically, that appearance may not be covered in their copyright, which in all reality my "model" does not have any facial details and you cannot make out anything besides the clothes/hair.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Enerith

This work does not have any monetary gain for me in anyway, in fact, I pay for it. If graal admins don't like the graphics, they can take it down... but make sure they take down everything that resembles any other game in the process. Oh, and read my edit above. Someone please lock this topic, its completely off the point and doesn't need to continue since people have to pick out details that are over-ironic and don't need to be argued about.

Good thing you don't actually own the server, or that might matter. Cyberjoueurs owns all content on Graal Online, including that sephiroth doll when you upload it. They make a profit, and since your sephiroth doll can be considered a peice of their game when it's uploaded, it then becomes an element of profit.

It's a good thing you are in business school, or I might not have to teach you this.

Oh wait...

[Darlene159]

Sigh, I see another PW scrapped, because the "owner" could care less about the law...what a shame

[Enerith]

Ah, Darlene... if thats your attitude then have every single server scrapped with a head that resembles something from another game. I'm not trying to be crappy, I'm just saying that graal is full of content that resembles numerous games. Honestly, I know the conduct, but graal iteself follows that conduct very loose. If they wanted me to take it down because they were afraid of legalities, I would gladly comply. However, I wouldn't be afraid to assume that n-pulse has a body or head that was designed after another game uploaded on it, at least at one point or another. The fad for a while here was halo. Everyone was uploading halo heads/bodies/models on any server. Like I said, I know the technical side, I'm only following the loose trend of abiding by it. For the sake of Atrius's reputation, and that this is the most irrelevant issue to ever come about because it doesn't have any effect on Atrius gameplay, I'll remove the graphic myself. But, next time you see a graphic on a server that reminds you of another game, think of me.

[bef]

inspiration; i don't mean entirely RP and classed like some servers have attempted, my point was mostly due to the inconsistancies of UN.
UN is attractive to players because players play it, and the reason the original players play they no longer know but they keep playing because players play it.
Thus, UN gets taken down for a few weeks and then brought back and people would play other servers and realise the difference in quality.
UN really is a third grade server. Even this Atrius rubbish looks better.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game. My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted, it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG

Either you don't know what 'hypocrite' means or you're making some unfounded assumptions about your critics. Of course, you are not allowed to argue against this, because I am an English major.

1. I made it from MSPaint

So? The only thing that matters here is the published media. The tools used to create it are entirely irrelevant.

2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online

Well, that's not its name. Graal resembles Zelda, but it has been altered to a point where the two games are legally distinct.

3. Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies

True enough. But this is about magnitudes, and it's extremely rare for two characters in separate games to show such a degree of similarity. To support your point, you have to show that the figure is sufficiently different from Sephiroth to obviate legal complications.

4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?

Piracy isn't even similar to unlicensed use of intellectual property.

Regardless, nobody's saying that your actions are morally wrong or whatever. They're merely saying that you're breaking the rules, and that accusation is not dependent on what they do in their spare time.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Snakeandy7

want 2 c my version era??!!

thats actually a pretty cool level o_o