Roleplaying Admin

[Discharge]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Again, not goodies. And yes, staff positions are often poorly assigned, but that doesn't validate Discharge's logic. A person shouldn't be passed over just because they've had staff positions in the past, or given preferential treatment if they haven't.

What Spock, you want to pick a fight with me using your logic?

Yea it shouldn’t but it happens. Since I started role-playing it seemed apparent that there was a circle of certain people that usually were selected as staff personnel.

Yea, I know simply stating I’m qualified doesn’t mean I’m qualified to be in that position. You have to show evidence as to why you are qualified. My evidence is the role-playing community who I have been role-playing for awhile now. I’ve been role-playing for good long time and people have seen that I really am devoted in what I do. I am a person who really likes to role-play and this is a perfect opportunity for me to finally get everyone to start role-playing. I really don’t know why you just got to come in here and bust my chops.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Discharge

What Spock, you want to pick a fight with me using your logic?

Yea it shouldn’t but it happens. Since I started role-playing it seemed apparent that there was a circle of certain people that usually were selected as staff personnel.

Yea, I know simply stating I’m qualified doesn’t mean I’m qualified to be in that position. However, I’ve been role-playing for awhile now and people have seen that I really am devoted in what I do. I am a person who really likes to role-play and this is a perfect opportunity for me to finally get everyone to start role-playing. I really don’t know why you just got to come in here and bust my chops.

Yeah sorry, I just got those two off the top of my head. I havn't been in contact with you atall but you obviously do know how to roleplay and should be added to my candidate list there.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

There are several people who would be much more fit for a staff position but they are shoved aside and what you could call veterans are chosen instead of them

So what exactly is your solution? We ape the Americans and rule that nobody is allowed to serve in more than x staff positions?

Originally Posted by Discharge

What Spock, you want to pick a fight with me using your logic?

That is about the worst sass ever. It is like saying "Hey intelligent guy, you want to help me look stupid?"

Since I started role-playing it seemed apparent that there was a circle of certain people that usually were selected as staff personnel

Refer to my previous arguments. If they are being hired despite lack of competence then there is something very wrong with the system - something far more worthy of consideration than your share-the-goodies complaints.

My evidence is the role-playing community who I have been role-playing for awhile now

So, within this context, you have no evidence.

I really don’t know why you just got to come in here and bust my chops

Because you're making fallacious arguments. Duh.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

So what exactly is your solution? We ape the Americans and rule that nobody is allowed to serve in more than x staff positions?

No, we should evaluate everybody's level of skill and appropiaty and pick our staff based on those factors, not on how good/long we've known them.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

No, we should evaluate everybody's level of skill and appropiaty and pick our staff based on those factors, not on how good/long we've known them.

Hey, attitude and trustworthiness are factors, too.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Lance

Hey, attitude and trustworthiness are factors, too.

True.

[Discharge]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

So what exactly is your solution? We ape the Americans and rule that nobody is allowed to serve in more than x staff positions?

Give someone else who does not have a history of being a staff member and is qualified a chance. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

That is about the worst sass ever. It is like saying "Hey intelligent guy, you want to help me look stupid?"

That’s your opinion if you think it’s the worst. I’m just sick and tired of you trying to cause problems because you enjoy arguing with people by using your “logic.”

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Refer to my previous arguments. If they are being hired despite lack of competence then there is something very wrong with the system - something far more worthy of consideration than your share-the-goodies complaints.

Yea we already know there’s something wrong. That’s why I’m complaining and so is Gozelda that we would like someone out of this circle of people.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

So, within this context, you have no evidence.

My evidence is my good reputation as good role-player as you can obviously see by the posts of people recommending me as a role-playing admin. (Thank you for recommending me I appreciate it) You’re/were a scripter whatever guy staff person because you were good at it. It’s only “logical” to give the position of role-playing admin to someone who is good at role-playing.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Because you're making fallacious arguments. Duh.

No because you like to argue a lot and never shut the hell up. Simple as that.

Edit: This is just going to go on and on. Do us all a favor and stop arguing with me. Think of some people who could be good role-playing administrators because your just wasting my time.

[fireedragn]

Originally Posted by Lance

Hey, attitude and trustworthiness are factors, too.

Which is exactly why friends/former staff members/etc get the job. "Attitute and trustworthiness" is sometimes the only requirement it seems.

You're just going around in circles. I think we can all just admit that fairly new people are screwed, and unless they have friends in high places they are going to stay that way.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by fireedragn

You're just going around in circles.

I am? That's strange, I thought I only made one post in this thread.

I think we can all just admit that fairly new people are screwed, and unless they have friends in high places they are going to stay that way.

I think that we can all admit that if someone proves themself as being skilled, trustworthy, and with a proper attitude, they will go places. I would consider myself a fair example of such a person.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Lance

I am? That's strange, I thought I only made one post in this thread.



I think that we can all admit that if someone proves themself as being skilled, trustworthy, and with a proper attitude, they will go places. I would consider myself a fair example of such a person.

Indeed, you show a trait of loyality that is unmatched, your sparring skills are also superb

[fireedragn]

Originally Posted by Lance

I am? That's strange, I thought I only made one post in this thread.

That was a new paragraph. You know, it signals the beginning of a completely new thought.

Originally Posted by Lance

I think that we can all admit that if someone proves themself as being skilled, trustworthy, and with a proper attitude, they will go places. I would consider myself a fair example of such a person.

I agree. Unfortunately though, it's a popularity contest. Unless that someone has been playing for a while, their skills are likely to go unnoticed.

Anyway, I admire the fact that you all want RP to be a bigger part of this game, and I wish you the best of luck.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

No, we should evaluate everybody's level of skill and appropiaty and pick our staff based on those factors

Right. So the number of staff positions held in the past actually isn't a factor.

Originally Posted by Discharge

Give someone else who does not have a history of being a staff member and is qualified a chance

Why do you make inexperience a factor? If we are able to judge a person's qualifications then we should simply give the job to whoever scores highest.

I'm just sick and tired of you trying to cause problems because you enjoy arguing with people by using your "logic"

"Cause problems"? I am discussing this topic just as anybody else here. The only major difference between your conduct and mine is that you're throwing insults without provocation, while I'm merely arguing the pertinent on-topic points.

Yea we already know there’s something wrong. That’s why I’m complaining

Read the rest of the text, dude. It's all about priorities. If you want to show that there's something wrong with the current system then you have to demonstrate some failing in the evaluation of potential staff members. If you achieve that then the major problem is already solved, and the whole number-of-staff-positions thing boils down to petty jealousy.

My evidence is my good reputation as good role-player as you can obviously see by the posts of people recommending me as a role-playing admin

Only two people so far have agreed with your self-recommendation. If we're really gonna treat this thing as a popularity contest then those votes might count for something, but not until you poll for opinions on the other candidates.

It's only "logical" to give the position of role-playing admin to someone who is good at role-playing

In an indirect fashion, yes. But such a claim doesn't help your case until you show that the someone is you.

No because you like to argue a lot and never shut the hell up

Then why did I choose your post instead of somebody else's?

Edit: This is just going to go on and on. Do us all a favor and stop arguing with me

Hahaha. It's always fun to see hypocritical peacemongers in action. If you wanted the argument to stop, why did you make a post perpetuating it?

[Lance]

Originally Posted by fireedragn

That was a new paragraph. You know, it signals the beginning of a completely new thought.

How am I to know just by your paragraph structure that you are not still speaking to me...? Some other quote or separator should be used.

[FenixTheBanished]

Face it, most people on Debug get it because of other people, eg, Ana, Nayoko. Nayoko because of Bjorn, Ana, well, I'll leave that to the smart people. z.z

Jobs are usually handed to people staff know, trust, etc. Not always are they incompetent, and I don't think you can show an example of an incompetent staff that was vouched for by x staff.

I think James got up there himself though.. o-o


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Anyways, an RP admin would be ignored.. What'r you going to do? Force people to RP? Doubtful. All you could do is rally the RP'ers, and show the non-s that RPing is good, and not just 'zomg peoples r getting itams 4 rping?!!", that's the only problem I see.

[xAndrewx]

Yea, I agree with Fenix, What would he do? Order people to RP? I would rather let the kingdom leaders start wars than have a RP admin do it.