Pirate Crews and Captains

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Dehitay

As for why, it's because some people cannot be trusted with power
It is obvious there is one captain amongst us who keeps moving houses around without permission
I only wish we could figure out who it was

There isn't.

[kc5ikc]

Actually, I did make it more complicated than was needed. I've freely given the email address I setup for accepting messages for people seeking to enter the Kingdom and for those in Pirates that wish to send in suggestions, ideas or even make complaints. As for there isn't anyone abusing rights? yeah, there is, I spent 5 days monitoring houses that had been shifted about, took the rights away until I limited it down to a specific group, so yes, Im quite aware that a Captain shifted houses around after it was made clear not to without the owners permission. Rights will be returned and more powers granted as they can, but until that time, its quite possible to recruit your
crews from within the Kingdom and forward a message. Its not optimal or fast, but its workable, until other problems have been fixed.

Kerith Steele
[email protected]

[TooManyK9s]

[QUOTE=Ziro_Vitrudestec] Captain at the time, they lost that rank and got one of equal value

I was Captain Cecelia Di under the rule of Valder and had no rights, just as it is now.Ziro then became Captain, and he also had no rights as Captain. As Valder chose Ziro to succeed him, Ziro demoted me to Raider which was not equal by any means and my crew was also demoted. My first mate was then demoted to swordsman. These are not equal and Captain Cecelia Di was no more.

Captains then came into the kingdom from nowhere. Misty Di can back me up on that. They had rights they didn't earn, and they didn't work their way up from first mate as I did. Yes, they had more rights but did they stick together and from a great team with their crews? (Not) We need crews like that, who play and learn together. We need Captains that are proud of their crews, who report to the Governor when their crewmen need to be ranked up. Captains should also enjoy holding mini events, like Dehitay does. I will provide small prizes out of my own pocket for these events, as it makes me happy to see Captains making games and mini events. When the captains hold these events, I will provide the prizes.

So I think that ranks that are earned is something we can all take pride in.

Your First Lady,Alisa Thorn Steele

[GoldSri]

I miss Cecelia Di <3<3<3

[TooManyK9s]

Originally Posted by GoldSri

I miss Cecelia Di <3<3<3

I do so miss being Cecelia and having my daughter play side by side with me. We were such a good team. There were good times and good friends, who didn't expect much from a 10 year old player. I was such a good role player that Ziro didn't even believe that I was an adult. My son didn't want anyone to know his mom was playing so I played as his sister. When Ziro decided to demote me I even gave him my drivers license number to prove I was an adult. He lived in the same state so that wouldn't be hard for him to look it up. He still didn't believe or care to keep me. It might have been he just wanted his personal friends to be Captain. I role played a 10 yr. so well that he said I wasn't qualified to stay a captain and have all those rights, for that I was too young. Ha ha he was the same age as my son. So who says that I can't handle rights. He says I can't role play, if so then I fooled all. Really I did have to be careful as my child watched my every move. In a way people were respectful to me as a 10 yr. GoGetter was my first account I then saw that the game was safe for her to play on her own. I decided she could play alone. At that time Ziro had demoted the GoGetter account and therefore Cecelia Di had left the kingdom. My daughter played for some weeks then she stopped playing and now the GoGetter acct. is idle.
I started up TooManyK9s as a new acct. and played as an adult. Ziro thought I was another player. He saw I had many house's and a well run shop on the Pirate Island. He approached me and asked if I would leave Dustari and come run the shops as Trade Master. I did and then worked my way back up to Captain with all the rights he thought I couldn't handle. I did need some training and Ziro was patient. I didn't need to work hard to get a full crew, it seemed fun. What is needed is some type of motivation. To have a feeling of challenge to get into a superior crew where you need to meet requirements to qualify. I told the members that they had to pass three tests to be in my crew. Two of which were: to find their way through the dungeon to CP. Island and the other was fight wild pet monsters and not die. I can't remember the third. One Crew member who was gung ho was Dehitay who is a fine example of a captain today. Another crew member was believe it or not Kerith. I was and am very proud of me old crew members. Forming a full crew can be fun. There is limited time left, May 12, I believe and I haven't seen Calias (Eld) does someone have his E-mail it tell him?

[Dehitay]

The third test was mining stuff for the crew
I dumped off 30 coal I believe as well as fighting pets bare handed and braving the dungeon
Go, newb Dehitay, go!

[GoldSri]

i remeber when we ran that shop together Alisa...those were fun times, CP was great back then

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally Posted by TooManyK9s

I was such a good role player that Ziro didn't even believe that I was an adult.

Maybe you should have learned to roleplay as a Pirate0 instead of a 10 year old girl playing a computer game.

Originally Posted by TooManyK9s

When Ziro decided to demote me I even gave him my drivers license number to prove I was an adult. He lived in the same state so that wouldn't be hard for him to look it up. He still didn't believe or care to keep me. It might have been he just wanted his personal friends to be Captain.

All wrong. You weren't demoted. The ranks and rights were changed. Councilmen (one of the highest ranks) were put as Captains, but given the same rights as before. Captains didn't have these rights before. Therefore, the rank Captain had true value during my Governorship. They actually had *gasp* rights to manage their own crews. Alisa (TooManyK9s) was not a councilman. Thus, she was not kept as a Captain. All the previous Captains were temporarily put in a rank right below Captains. Same for the First Mates. It was made clear that this was also only temporary. However, Alisa doesn't keep up with things as you can see (she doesn't even know how to use the forums), and she instantly was upset and quit. I had no hard feelings over it and was happy to see her go- this was a "Pirate" who'd go around on tag saying "lol". Her RPing improved when she'd annoyingly call everyone "lad".

Originally Posted by TooManyK9s

I started up TooManyK9s as a new acct. and played as an adult. Ziro thought I was another player. He saw I had many house's and a well run shop on the Pirate Island. He approached me and asked if I would leave Dustari and come run the shops as Trade Master. I did and then worked my way back up to Captain with all the rights he thought I couldn't handle.

You didn't fool me into working your way up to Captain. You instantly told me you were GoGetter. I gave you a chance to prove yourself as a worthy member and let you be Captain (since you seemed to be a dedicated member and all)- a big mistake. You've continuously seemed to give the leadership the same problem- quitting and then coming back (as we can see in forum posts by MarkB).

Learn to let threads die. Read the dates. I didn't want to respond- but you just continued mentioning me.

Furthermore, again, you're wrong. People were not randomly becoming Captains. You may see it as such because you were a long time member, but never a good RPer. Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness. There wasn't much competition either- the kingdom was kind of small due to people not liking our STANDARD RP rules (be RPing while on RP tag).

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Captains didn't have these rights before. Therefore, the rank Captain had true value during my Governorship. They actually had *gasp* rights to manage their own crews. Alisa (TooManyK9s) was not a councilman. Thus, she was not kept as a Captain.

She actually does well in leadership/administrative rolls, hence she is First Lady of CP now, much higher than a Captian.

All the previous Captains were temporarily put in a rank right below Captains. Same for the First Mates. It was made clear that this was also only temporary. However, Alisa doesn't keep up with things as you can see (she doesn't even know how to use the forums), and she instantly was upset and quit.

I gave you a chance to prove yourself as a worthy member and let you be Captain (since you seemed to be a dedicated member and all)- a big mistake. You've continuously seemed to give the leadership the same problem- quitting and then coming back (as we can see in forum posts by MarkB).

Kerith left twice, just as Alisa did. He's the Assistant Governor now. Many more have left as well during Mark's reign.

Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness.

Um, okay, I will choose to say nothing instead of something not nice.

There wasn't much competition either- the kingdom was kind of small due to people not liking our STANDARD RP rules (be RPing while on RP tag).

Dustari didn't have trouble with our above standard rules

Do I need to remind you when you declared Dustari and all the other kingdom's 'non existant' to CP and threatened to punish any pirates rping with us?

I don't think that was in the rp standards rule book.

[Dehitay]

"Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness. " ~ 0 -e +i

RPing skills are no where near as important as leadership skills when determining a leader

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Dehitay

"Gozelda is an excellent RPer. He earned his Pirate rank fairly. Other people with ranks and rights had good balance of PvP skills and RPing. They all proved their worthyness. " ~ 0 -e +i

RPing skills are no where near as important as leadership skills when determining a leader

When it comes to kingdoms, good leadership and roleplaying skills come hand in hand, buddyboy. In fact good roleplaying skills just add to the quality of a leader (as long as his leadership skills aren't in the negative :O)

[Dehitay]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

When it comes to kingdoms, good leadership and roleplaying skills come hand in hand, buddyboy. In fact good roleplaying skills just add to the quality of a leader (as long as his leadership skills aren't in the negative :O)

I'm not entirely sure if you understand what you just said
when something comes "hand in hand" that means they always come together
in this case, a good leader would be a good RPer
and a good RPer would be a good leader
If you just mixed up the lingo, ignore Dehitay's ranting >=P
but otherwise
Like hell if those 2 traits are equivalent
I'm pretty sure everybody knows somebody who can RP but wouldn't trust as a leader
and I'm sure there's a good leader around that doesn't care about RPing
This almost goes back to Era's freaking insane "good PKing = good leadership skills"

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Um, okay, I will choose to say nothing instead of something not nice.

You did say something- and it wasn't nice since it was a waste of space and time.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Do I need to remind you when you declared Dustari and all the other kingdom's 'non existant' to CP and threatened to punish any pirates rping with us?

I don't think that was in the rp standards rule book.

You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't threaten to punish Pirates RPing with you all. Also, please stop trying to use this whole "isolation" policy as the only point for you to say I'm a bad leader. This was not the basis of the RPing. This only came in later after we were already doing well (after we brought in good RPers, and the PvP-only non-RPers were washed away because they didn't want to stay).

You shouldn't have a say in either of these topics anyways (including the one about Gozelda). If you're hinting that he's a bad RPer- look to yourself first. You're the one who, roleplaying as a king (which you'd expect to have more intelligence than a pirate), couldn't grasp the concept (OOC nor IC) of my character being chased off of the crescent island and having no time nor concern to hand over the wearhouse keys in a "civilized" manner. Yeah, right... a dirty, crude, vulgar pirate is forced away from his home and out of governorship of the island by his own people and he's going to turn back and say "Oh yeah, here's the keys...items...possessions and all that will help you govern the island. Good luck." You're also the one who refered to the kingdom and/or island as "CP" (exactly like that) in character. And people such as you say I was some kind of dictator of RPing- you're dictating the story/RPing of Graal by saying "CP" IC (it's forcing the belief that the language characters speak is "English"... gee, I wonder where that originated from... a place called England [sounds similar to the language]? Where that? North of Dustari?). RPing really just takes common sense

Originally Posted by Dehitay

I'm not entirely sure if you understand what you just said
when something comes "hand in hand" that means they always come together
in this case, a good leader would be a good RPer
and a good RPer would be a good leader

They come hand-in-hand... A good leader (of an RP group) is not a good leader (of an RP group) unless he or she can RP well. If a person cannot RP well, he or she can never be a good leader for an RPing kingdom.
It reminds of a confusion I had with a friend regarding a part of the background story of Lord of the Rings- it ended with him laughing and saying "It would be hilarious if the high leader of the Elves was only like 1/9 Elf" (that's basically just another point of a leader not having qualities that make up the essense of the group...).

[Dehitay]

but still the 1/9th elf could be a good leader for the elves
and I'm convinced I could find a way to run a kingdom well without being in favor of RPing
I'm the type of guy that likes to hold events and the such to entertain
and I'm almost positive that events would be preferred even more than RPing

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally Posted by Dehitay

but still the 1/9th elf could be a good leader for the elves
and I'm convinced I could find a way to run a kingdom well without being in favor of RPing
I'm the type of guy that likes to hold events and the such to entertain
and I'm almost positive that events would be preferred even more than RPing

Maybe you're right in the case of the elf. It doesn't work in this case of an RP group though.
A more better example would be like if the Pope wasn't really Catholic. Do you understand now? Everything said or told would be somewhat hypocritical.

The fact is, you can't be a good leader for an RP group if you're not in good favor of RPing (meaning you strongly support RPing and are a good RPer). You can do everything else with the kingdom- but the main point of the kingdom is the RPing.

And I thought I'd take this time to point something out also- events (especially ones with prizes) are not what RPing is all about. Padren has attacked me before on this fact saying how he doesn't see me organize big RP events and never did (though it's not important for him to see it... the fact that I did it is enough). RP events with prizes aren't needed to spread the word of good RPing or be a good RPer. Sure, it's possible to use this method to bribe people to RP. Know what will happen though? The ones who don't really want to RP will stop RPing after the event. That's not good RPing. Ideally, the idea one may have is to attract non-RPers with the items and get them to RP. Then they'll start RPing all the time since they had fun in that event. Yeah right... only in the ideal world. They may be encouraged to join other events with prizes- sure, but that's all.