Local, Global ban evasions

[zell12]

For now, do waht you think is best. The Graal Administration don't have time to make rules, they make them as they go, I suppose.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
I believe Unixmad once stated on these forums that you ban only for the account(s) the infractions were commited on.

Read the User Agreement, chief.

www.graalonline.com had this to say about Robocop:

User Information. Former Users. Users whose accounts have been terminated by any Graal Online administrator or LINUX Cyberjoueurs himself may not access the Graal Online system in any manner or for any reason without the express written permission of Cyberjoueur. Active Users may not knowingly allow former Users who have been terminated to use the active Users' accounts.

[Loriel]

Wow.
You people just keep destroying my trust in common sense.
Lance got it right.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Loriel
Wow.
You people just keep destroying my trust in common sense.
Lance got it right.

Ok Lance is half right.

Originally posted by Lance
I ban a person, I do not ban an account. If someone has lost the priviledge of playing, they have lost the priviledge of playing.

Lance is 100% right with this and is in line to what the user agreement states.

It is up to the individual server to decide whether or not local ban evasion is a punishable offense or not (as far as I am aware - I have not been told to the contrary).

But Lance is wrong here because it is plainly expressed in the same user agreement that a player banned is to be "locked out" of the Game till he/she contacts Graal. So it is not optional if they do or not but required to do so although on some servers they are not doing this.

Users whose accounts have been terminated by any Graal Online administrator or LINUX Cyberjoueurs himself may not access the Graal Online system in any manner or for any reason without the express written permission of Cyberjoueur.

[Lance]

Shrug. The reasons I expressed that final caveat were threefold:

1) It is, after all, the local server who would be banning the evading account. They can choose whether or not they do.

2) There are some cases where you are, in fact, banning the account and not the person.

3) Tyhm has explained to me his interpreation of ban evasion, which cites ban evasion as a helping-reason moreso than a main reason (for local bans, at least).

Again, everyone has their own interpretation of what ban-evasion is and how it can be applied. It's up to the server that banned the person to determine whether they banned the person or merely the account.

[Lyndzey]

There have been a couple people I have banned for ban evasion.

One of them was a guy who attempted to take over a server and was successful until the PWA found out. This wasn't an UC server, it was a server that usually has 50+ people on it.

[Milkdude99]

I agree issues like this need to be defined as to what the interpretation should be. All this and other rules like this need to be defined as to what Unixmad has in mind for this rule and how he wants it to be done. Everyone here has valid points but as stated it is left up to interpretation and something it should not be to have uniformed rules for all PWs.

[thrashsoul]

The ban button on rc needs to have a time box, it is stupid how staff ban people and dont even list the ban somewhere and just forget about it.

[protagonist]

I've never had ban rights, anywhere (with the exception of the servers that have given me local rights, but I don't really count those as I don't use them).

In my opinion, when you ban someone you are removing them from the community. If you remove them from the community, they shouldn't come back to the community unless they are serious about changing.

I might let them come back after, I don't know, 5-6 months if they asked. But I'd ban them if they did something serious again, and not let them come back.

[superb]

Originally posted by thrashsoul
The ban button on rc needs to have a time box, it is stupid how staff ban people and dont even list the ban somewhere and just forget about it.

That's a damned good suggestion.

[WHIPENIE4]

Originally posted by thrashsoul
The ban button on rc needs to have a time box, it is stupid how staff ban people and dont even list the ban somewhere and just forget about it.

Classic (when i was a GP there) had it where you must put a date and reason, something like this

X-Mann (1/29/04 7:06AM Central):
Trainer use, Permanent Ban.
- X-Mann

yea i did that and we are the STRICTEST server, I have worked on quite a few playerworlds, and when I was global, I noticed that the Manager might just overrule a GP after banning someone, If they did that i'd leave in a second because they aren't supposed to give friends special priveledges, its even getting funnier how an admin or the manager hires friends as staff with no skill, I've seen Admins best friends get Assistant Admin on a server in a matter of days, I wont say a servers name, but I'll just say RECENTLY IT WAS REPUT UP, it was pretty funny. We'll that'll be all folks' i've gotten off topic as it is

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by WHIPENIE4


Classic (when i was a GP there) had it where you must put a date and reason, something like this

X-Mann (1/29/04 7:06AM Central):
Trainer use, Permanent Ban.
- X-Mann

Npulse does the same thing, every warning, jailing, and banning is put into a txt file, including the date put in, the date the account is to be released, the reason, and the staff member who did it, as well as the proof of the infraction.

[Moonite]

I prefer banning players who are dumb

so u wanna ban all newbies?

[Loriel]

Why are you insulting newbies?

[Lyndzey]

Originally posted by Darlene159
Npulse does the same thing, every warning, jailing, and banning is put into a txt file, including the date put in, the date the account is to be released, the reason, and the staff member who did it, as well as the proof of the infraction.

I wish all servers did that. Recently I stumbled upon an account that was banned in September for "being Annoying"; this account was still banned when I unbanned it on the weekend.

Not all dumb people are newbies; not all newbies are dumb people.