What makes a good manager?

[bigdawg1003]

I dont really think its that you need to be a good scripter/level maker/gfx maker to be manager. You just need basic knowledge of it. As far as personality goes I think that yeah you should be a nice person. Not too nice but nice. You should be able to handle any situation no matter how hard it is. Also you should stay calm if any of these situations arise. You need to be trustworthy and have a take charge attitude towards things. Although these are traits that a decent manager must have. It doesnt make you the best. To be the best you have to beat the rest.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

Originally posted by bigdawg1003
I dont really think its that you need to be a good scripter/level maker/gfx maker to be manager. You just need basic knowledge of it. As far as personality goes I think that yeah you should be a nice person. Not too nice but nice. You should be able to handle any situation no matter how hard it is. Also you should stay calm if any of these situations arise. You need to be trustworthy and have a take charge attitude towards things. Although these are traits that a decent manager must have. It doesnt make you the best. To be the best you have to beat the rest.

Basic knowledge of each is good. I just reread my above post and it seems I forgot to add how much for each field, and I guess Moonie may have assumed a little too much (as usual) with that statement of mines.

my statement:
In my opinion if someone doesn't have any experience in any of those then they don't deserve to be manager period.

I forgot to add on one more thing that bigdawg reminded me with his post.
Professionalism.

[bigdawg1003]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend

I forgot to add on one more thing that bigdawg reminded me with his post.
Professionalism.

You're Welcome!

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend
What makes a good manager?
Someone that has experience in all fields he manages over.
scripting, level making, policing, answering questions, holding the players attention, and I guess some graphics work.
That pretty much covers each position: NAT, LAT, GP, FAQ, ET, GAT.

In my opinion if someone doesn't have any experience in any of those then they don't deserve to be manager period.

I highly disagree with the area of psuedo-staff like FAQ. To me its just a gimmic for players to feel they are special because they can carry a silly tag that says FAQ or ET around. Otherwise its a subjective prerequisite. I suppose they could be helpful, but they only require things like common sense to function. I've never worked on or for another server. None of them had anything I liked that much so I wanted to make a world of my own to share.

Its easier for me to look at the mistakes of others and learn from them what not to do than to spend time repeating the process.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

I highly disagree with the area of psuedo-staff like FAQ. To me its just a gimmic for players to feel they are special because they can carry a silly tag that says FAQ or ET around.

I know someone here will disagree with you, but it won't be me. I believe most managers should have some experience in all fields. Since FAQ and ET is more common now I have no choice but to throw that into the mix.
FAQ's can easily be replaced with a NPC. Same with ET's, but there will always be the complaints of LAG. Oh well.

[davidpsy]

Yeah et and faq are sort of dumb no talant jobs that are just there so you can hire friends. I guess properally used they can help. But any staff memeber can and should answer your questions, as for et why cant staff just hold events when they are bored or better yet have players hold events. Event hosting should be part of every persons job. As for gp, the staff should ban hackers and such. There should be no ingame rules you can break besides swearing and lieing and skamming and hacking.

[bigdawg1003]

Well the most likely reason for FAQ and ETs is because although the tags make normal players seem special it gives the "real" staff members time to work as well as peace. Although most of the time they still dont get as much peace as they would like to get.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by bigdawg1003
Well the most likely reason for FAQ and ETs is because although the tags make normal players seem special it gives the "real" staff members time to work as well as peace. Although most of the time they still dont get as much peace as they would like to get.

Eh I think they should have a staff member who is really good at finding bugs, has good ideas and ideas on how to make things better and improve and can do faq and et and gp stuff also. That would be a real staff member.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend


I know someone here will disagree with you, but it won't be me. I believe most managers should have some experience in all fields. Since FAQ and ET is more common now I have no choice but to throw that into the mix.
FAQ's can easily be replaced with a NPC. Same with ET's, but there will always be the complaints of LAG. Oh well.

Again, they are psuedo-staff. To define for you, they aren't real jobs. Just shiney tags people wear. No experience is required for either one. Most people want them because they expect an RC out of it or something real special like an NPC weapon.

They are the lazy manager's way of avoiding thier job as being a manager. Whether or not they can be replaced by an NPC is irrelevant.

[Darlene159]

and I guess Moonie may have assumed a little too much (as usual) with that statement of mines.

Excuse me? I didn't assume anything, I disagreed with your statement

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
Excuse me? I didn't assume anything, I disagreed with your statement

His point is that you assumed his meaning was something other than what he conveyed. In fact, you did more than this. You assumed a meaning contrary to what he conveyed.

[ETD]

Originally posted by davidpsy
Yeah et and faq are sort of dumb no talant jobs that are just there so you can hire friends.

I think you guys are under-estimating the amount of work an FAQ, or ET person has to go through in a day (if they do their job correctly!) now, I know that a lot of FAQ's just send people a link to a newbie help website, or something like that... but the ones who actually do their job put a lot of work into it.

I remember when I was ET Chief on n-pulse, I tried to get a good events team together... and no matter how hard I tried, I lost all my staff to either firing (cuz they couldn't handle the little responcibility an events person has) or to another staff rank. A lot went to FAQ (since some view FAQ as the gateway to a GP job) or they went right to GP (and GP is generally the gateway to an admin job, and so-on).
This was because no-one value's the events team... they get treated as "psuedo-staff" and insulted... so they move on to a different job, or just leave.

anyways, I know that I will treat every member of my staff with respect, and every one of them will be thought of as a full staff member. This would also mean high requirments for FAQ and ET possitions. I hope to change the way people view events team members in particular... since (thanks to CriminalX) we will have a lot of cool events ^_^

[Gambet]

FAQ and ET are a very important aspect to a server along with every other position. Without an ET there would be no events held and everyone loves events, and without an FAQ team, new members to servers would have a rough time finding the quests. So ET's and FAQ's may not be as important as other things but they are definately important. (depending on how you choose to run your server)

[syltburk]

Originally posted by mhermher


It was sarcasm.

what the hell...?

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


His point is that you assumed his meaning was something other than what he conveyed. In fact, you did more than this. You assumed a meaning contrary to what he conveyed.

I took his post to mean that if a person didn't have experiance in all fields, they did not deserve to be a manager, period
For example, the only job titles I have had is a LAT on up to LAT Chief before I became a Manager....I have never been an ET, GAT, NAT, FAQ, GP, and so on....I could easily do a GP's work, or a FAQ's work, but not a NAT, or GAT....now, if I read his post correctly, because I have no experiance in those 2 areas, I dont deserve to be a Manager? I would be a bad Manager because of this? No
It would be true to say that it is much harder for a Manager who does not have knowledge in those areas to get things done in those areas.
Now, I do however have "basic" knowledge in those areas. I have been able to fix problems in very basic scripts (most of the time by searching through help files), and, like I said before, I can look at a graphic and tell if it is good, and will work online, even though I have no experiance in those areas, I have learned basic things over time being a Manager.

If I misunderstood the post, I apologize...but I took it to mean that if a person hasn't actually worked in those positions (thus, gaining experiance), they dont deserve to be a manager

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by ETD

I think you guys are under-estimating the amount of work an FAQ, or ET person has to go through in a day (if they do their job correctly!) now, I know that a lot of FAQ's just send people a link to a newbie help website, or something like that... but the ones who actually do their job put a lot of work into it.

I remember when I was ET Chief on n-pulse, I tried to get a good events team together... and no matter how hard I tried, I lost all my staff to either firing (cuz they couldn't handle the little responcibility an events person has) or to another staff rank. A lot went to FAQ (since some view FAQ as the gateway to a GP job) or they went right to GP (and GP is generally the gateway to an admin job, and so-on).
This was because no-one value's the events team... they get treated as "psuedo-staff" and insulted... so they move on to a different job, or just leave.

anyways, I know that I will treat every member of my staff with respect, and every one of them will be thought of as a full staff member. This would also mean high requirments for FAQ and ET possitions. I hope to change the way people view events team members in particular... since (thanks to CriminalX) we will have a lot of cool events ^_^

They are psuedo-staff and nothing more. No one can ever change that just because they get an all-mighty RC.

FAQ is useless if you know how to properly supply players with information in the game. Its the player's responsibility to read and learn what is provided. To me, FAQ is like a parent holding a child's hand and guiding them through everything (in Graal). If players are not going to uphold their responsibility to read what I provide then I have no incentive to make an FAQ person available.

For things like ET and GP, I will provide neither. Because Doragon is an RP server, the different kingdoms will have to police their land as they see fit or hold events. They will have some tools for doing the actions of either. Myself and any other staff I will have will not be meant for direct interaction with players except on the scale of major problems like someone "hacking" where an actual RC is needed.

Players need to learn how to handle their own affairs particularly the ones they get themselves into by their own choices. If a player was being harassed without provokation then I would most likely step in depending upon the severity of the situation and what I may already know about those involved.

[Gambet]

Looks like you didnt read my post. Like i said it depends on how the servers game-play is, and for those of you who dont know what game-play is then let me reword this. It depends on how the server was made and how they wanted it to be (i.e rp servers, normal servers, kingdom servers etc.)

[bigdawg1003]

It wouldnt really matter much cause a real staff member would actually know more about the server then any FAQ member. As far as ET goes its not real hard to host an event so in their free time a staff could host an event if they wanted. Then there is GP they arent really needed much cause on some servers I have seen some dont even have the ability to ban. There is no reason why a staff member can't take 3 seconds to edit ban and ban that person. So in a way yes they are pseudo-staff jobs.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I took his post to mean that if a person didn't have experiance in all fields, they did not deserve to be a manager

That's not what he said.

[ETD]

Originally posted by G_yoshi

No one can ever change that just because they get an all-mighty RC.

#1. why would you give FAQ's or ET's an RC? o.o
#2. what does that have anything to do with anything?

and anyways, everything else in your post may work on your PW, but not every PW is set up like how you want yours to be. It seems like you want minimal staff involvment... whereas some people like to talk to other humans, rather than signs.

anyways, everyone can have their own opinions :P I just personally would rather treat all staff as full staff, and not treat anyone whom is hired as less than staff.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


That's not what he said.

Then I stand corrected

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by ETD

#1. why would you give FAQ's or ET's an RC? o.o
#2. what does that have anything to do with anything?

and anyways, everything else in your post may work on your PW, but not every PW is set up like how you want yours to be. It seems like you want minimal staff involvment... whereas some people like to talk to other humans, rather than signs.

anyways, everyone can have their own opinions :P I just personally would rather treat all staff as full staff, and not treat anyone whom is hired as less than staff.

Actually, there are people dumb enough that hand out RC to FAQ or ET people. Or at least, I've heard about it happening before.

I already know what I have intended for my playerworld. If they want to talk to other humans they can talk to other players. It gets tedious having to repeat myself over and over again because people don't take the time to read. Players will be welcomed to make their own faq of sorts, but it will be nothing I'll endorse.

Remember back, if you can to the days when there was no internet or a means of easily communicating with others. If a person, for example, was playing Zelda on his NES and got stuck, he'd have to ask a friend. That's kind of what I'm going for. I want players to interact more amongst themselves to help each other rather than come whimpering to the staff to help them get through something.

I make this world so I can enjoy playing it as well, not so I can sit on my RC and be bored listening to the ramblings of other players. Even though I'll already know all the information that I've created (history and so forth), I still want to play and enjoy what I have created. When it stops being fun, then there's a problem. I'm not exactly going to pay $60 or $90 to sit there and walk people through my world. I find no pleasure in that.