Global Beta Testers Team!

[protagonist]

Originally posted by -Albus

Yes it is! To shut Tyrial up!

I don't know why you are crapping on Tyrial. He's doing something to improve Graal.

[mhermher]

Originally posted by protagonist


I don't know why you are crapping on Tyrial. He's doing something to improve Graal.

Don't mind him, he's just jealous that he didn't get the idea first.

[-Albus]

Originally posted by mhermher


Don't mind him, he's just jealous that he didn't get the idea first.

The idea is rather dumb. The only thing that seperates this team from any normal Graal player, is that you guys can say you are a "team."

[protagonist]

Originally posted by -Albus

The idea is rather dumb. The only thing that seperates this team from any normal Graal player, is that you guys can say you are a "team."

No, we submit bugs to the team leader who submits them to Stefan. The average player would
A)send individual bugs to Stefan
B)have their messages probably not read by Stefan

[-Albus]

The normal player can post the bugs in the forum that's designated for bugs. Or they can use the support desk located at http://support.graalonline.com.

[Minoc]

Originally posted by protagonist



No, we submit bugs to the team leader who submits them to Stefan. The average player would
A)send individual bugs to Stefan
B)have their messages probably not read by Stefan

Again, back to my old suggestion: get a bugs admin to read the reports and filter them before sending them back to Stefan, instead of having a small team that would hardly find anything.

[Minoc]

Btw I want forge a team to find the best ways to play Graal on each of the servers, it will be called "Global Graal Players"!

[protagonist]

Originally posted by Minoc
Btw I want forge a team to find the best ways to play Graal on each of the servers, it will be called "Global Graal Players"!

Then do it?

[Kaimetsu]

If you wanna make some silly little group dedicated to finding bugs and reporting them to Stefan then fine, that's okay. It won't help Graal much, but who knows? Maybe it'll help a little.

However, calling yourselves 'Global Beta Testers' is misleading, and perhaps intentionally so. If you take the format used in the past (Global Script Team etc) and apply it to your group then you imply that yours is just as official. You should change it, if only to avoid confusion.

One way or another, the Bugs Admin system would be much more effective.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by protagonist

No *gasp* we can't. As far as I know, Stefan is the only person who codes the game. Of course, with the elated self-images floating around this thread I'm sure most of you believe that you could code Graal without bugs at all! As for the bugs forum, would it make sense to send a neat little text file full of bugs rather than post a bug on the forum each time we find one? No.

Who said anything about that? I was simply pointing out how ludicrous this idea is.

I don't see where we claim to be staff. Perhaps we test the game globally(that is, on all servers) to make sure that certain servers don't have NPCs that have abstract effects on it? Rather than just playing the thing on 2k2 and helping one small group of people.

You seem to claim to be an "official" team, and last I checked, a game "official" was synonomous with a game "staff."

Originally posted by mhermher
Tseng, i will take my time, and answer your idiotic comments.

Thanks! I know you must have a very busy schedule, with all that "work" you're doing. ^_^

1. are you stupid, or do i have to bbbang the thread into your head? WE ARE NOT STAFF, NOR HAVE WE EVER SAID WE ARE.
We said: We are a TEAM, NOT A STAFF TEAM, that SEARCH FOR BUGS AND REPORTS THEM.

Last I checked, I was of at least slightly above average intelligence. As for yur 'non-staff team' status, nifty. What's the point of posting about its officiality + roster then? I don't see why the people on your "team" can't just contact you, as its purpose seems to indicate is the proper procedure. Furthermore, what's to prevent anyone from just forwarding bugs to you? And, even furthermore, what's to prevent anyone from just forwarding these bugs to Stefan, or posting them in the Bug Reports forum (Which, for the record, Stefan does read!)?

We don't get anything, no tags, emails, rights or anything.
We don't pretend to be staff, because we know we are not staff, and this is just for fun.

The wording of your post would rather indicate that you have some sort of official position.

Second, do you know what global means? Global means global. Global does NOT mean global staff. Global means global.
We aren't local on any PW, we check around every PW's, so we are global.

Once again, global means global.
Global staff means global staff.

The phrase "Global Team" obviously has the connotation of a global staff team. See Global GFX Team and Global Scripting Team.

Originally posted by Mykel
He will still find a way to argue.

You got it!

Originally posted by mhermher


Doesn't change the fact that he is and will remain a total idiot.

Instead of name-calling, why not focus more on my points? ^_^

Originally posted by mhermher


Don't mind him[Albus], he's just jealous that he didn't get the idea first.

I'm sure Albus is so sad that he didn't think of making a pretend staff team.

Originally posted by -Albus

The idea is rather dumb. The only thing that seperates this team from any normal Graal player, is that you guys can say you are a "team."

Originally replied by protagonist



No, we submit bugs to the team leader who submits them to Stefan. The average player would
A)send individual bugs to Stefan
B)have their messages probably not read by Stefan

(off-topic, but it seems you're rather proud to be in this pretend staff team , back to on-topic
Ah. So the fact that you can submit bugs to the 'team leader' differentiates you from the normal player? I see. I guess other players can't submit bugs to your team leader, or even to Stefan himself, for that matter, even though i've already elaborated on how that is quite possible! Darn!

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
If you wanna make some silly little group dedicated to finding bugs and reporting them to Stefan then fine, that's okay. It won't help Graal much, but who knows? Maybe it'll help a little.

However, calling yourselves 'Global Beta Testers' is misleading, and perhaps intentionally so. If you take the format used in the past (Global Script Team etc) and apply it to your group then you imply that yours is just as official. You should change it, if only to avoid confusion.

One way or another, the Bugs Admin system would be much more effective.

I completely agree.

[CheeToS2]

The idea sounds pointless to me. Why do you need to form a team for what people are doing already? We have a bugs forum with 7470 posts & rising.. what is the point of the team? To discuss the bugs between each other? O_o

You say its so your leader can give them to Stefan?
Firstly, if you first have to find a bug, then give it to your leader, then he gives it to Stefan, isn't that even slower? I dont assume you'll say its faster to give him bugs in bulk, because they won't arrive in bulk.

What makes you think Stefan will pay more attention to you guys anyways? I'm not saying it won't happen, I can't tell what Stefan is thinking, but the bugs forum & debug seem to be the quickest ways of contacting him. He answers the bugs forum verbally & in the changes lists of new versions.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by CheeToS2
The idea sounds pointless to me. Why do you need to form a team for what people are doing already? We have a bugs forum with 7470 posts & rising.. what is the point of the team? To discuss the bugs between each other? O_o

You say its so your leader can give them to Stefan?
Firstly, if you first have to find a bug, then give it to your leader, then he gives it to Stefan, isn't that even slower? I dont assume you'll say its faster to give him bugs in bulk, because they won't arrive in bulk.

What makes you think Stefan will pay more attention to you guys anyways? I'm not saying it won't happen, I can't tell what Stefan is thinking, but the bugs forum & debug seem to be the quickest ways of contacting him. He answers the bugs forum verbally & in the changes lists of new versions.

My guess is that they're using debug (Tyrial) to pass them along the "fastest". My old question still remains - why not just pass along the bugs to the bugs forum, to the support desk, to other debug people, or to Stefan himself? I don't understand. The team just seems pointless.

[SingleChance]

um Tyrial..if you guys are not real staff maybe you should make it clear to the people from your "team" that they can not come on UN and tell us to delete npc's that are perfectly fine.

[superb]

Yep, this group should definitely not be called global beta testers. Global Time Wasters seems to be a better name.

[protagonist]

Well, be jerks. I don't care. I doubt any of you can tie your shoes without arguing with them first.

[superb]

Well, be jerks. I don't care. I doubt any of you can tie your shoes without arguing with them first.

And I doubt your team will find more than 10 bugs over the next 6 months...if it even lasts that long.

[protagonist]

Originally posted by superb


And I doubt your team will find more than 10 bugs over the next 6 months...if it even lasts that long.

Interesting, I've found 5 and someone else on the team (with whom I work closely) must have found at least 10 by now, as he told me that he had 7 a couple days ago.

[Ne0]

I do not wish to get involved at all because I have a few friends/people from both sides, and don't wish for them to have my name on a hit-list All I will say, is that when I first saw this thread, and read it the first few days it was up, I assumed this was an Offical Global Staff team, I infact just found out it was not

::Edit:: One more thing that kind of goes against what I previously said -- I think it's rediculas, no offense to anyone

[Birdbird_0]

Errm, no offence or anything, But can't players do the same thing?

"There's a bug Oh Mr. RC, this is what it is!"
Sounds like a grab for the title if you ask me.

Anyone here remember ART on 2001? Haven’t we learned our lessons yet?

[Ne0]

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
Errm, no offence or anything, But can't players do the same thing?

"There's a bug Oh Mr. RC, this is what it is!"
Sounds like a grab for the title if you ask me.

Anyone here remember ART on 2001? Haven’t we learned our lessons yet?

Haha, yes the ART, Account Reset Team. In my opinion only in it for the RC and Power, although, it did help a little

[superb]

Originally posted by protagonist



Interesting, I've found 5 and someone else on the team (with whom I work closely) must have found at least 10 by now, as he told me that he had 7 a couple days ago.

Of course, you could both have found the same bugs, or these "bugs" may not be true bugs but merely scripting errors, which is what the GST is for.

Originally posted by Birdbird_0
Errm, no offence or anything, But can't players do the same thing?

"There's a bug Oh Mr. RC, this is what it is!"
Sounds like a grab for the title if you ask me.

Anyone here remember ART on 2001? Haven’t we learned our lessons yet?

Yes, but they seem to be under the illusion that this is a more efficient way to find bugs than the standard methods. It appears that at least 8/10 people will disagree with them however. My only problem with it is the name mainly. I don't think they will be productive, but they should not have global in their team name. Also, if the job is to find bugs, then why is it called "Global BETA Testers"? The name of the team does not fit the job (especially since the only things that appear to actually officially be a beta are 3.x and playerworld hosting).

[DragonX]

You guys are bug testing on v3.0. Why not just let EVERY VIP (that plays v3.0 all the time, I don't cause of all the bugs) submit bugs instead of just a select few, seems better that way instead of the people you recruited being egotistical and what not thinking they are staff when they really aren't.

[superb]

Originally posted by DragonX
You guys are bug testing on v3.0. Why not just let EVERY VIP (that plays v3.0 all the time, I don't cause of all the bugs) submit bugs instead of just a select few, seems better that way instead of the people you recruited being egotistical and what not thinking they are staff when they really aren't.

This is what is supposed to already be occuring...Hence one of the reasonings behind the uselessness of this team.

[mhermher]

Originally posted by protagonist



Interesting, I've found 5 and someone else on the team (with whom I work closely) must have found at least 10 by now, as he told me that he had 7 a couple days ago.

Guy, just RavenTevlecho found over 30 bugs and sent me them...

[superb]

Originally posted by mhermher

Guy, just RavenTevlecho found over 30 bugs and sent me them...

Of course, you fail to tell us what are considered "bugs" and where they were found.

[mhermher]

Originally posted by superb


Of course, you fail to tell us what are considered "bugs" and where they were found.

Indeed, i fail for one reason: I have no need to show you, or anyone else than Stefan.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by mhermher

Guy, just RavenTevlecho found over 30 bugs and sent me them...

I like that you didn't even try to counter the points I made in my last post at all.

And yet again, what's to stop anyone else from sending you bugs? Or sending Stefan bugs? Or sending anyone who has debug access bugs? Or posting them in the aptly named Bugs Forum?

Originally posted by mhermher


Indeed, i fail for one reason: I have no need to show you, or anyone else than Stefan.

Then your claim of 30 bugs could be simply made up. Or, they could be really small things (as in a misspelling of a word perhaps). Or, they could be bugs that have already been submitted/posted.

[mhermher]

Originally posted by Tseng


I like that you didn't even try to counter the points I made in my last post at all.

And yet again, what's to stop anyone else from sending you bugs? Or sending Stefan bugs? Or sending anyone who has debug access bugs? Or posting them in the aptly named Bugs Forum?

Why should we stop them?
And i didn't see your points..

They can post/flood the emails as much as they want, but what's the chance of getting answered? 1/100?
What's the chance of our begin answered, when i got live chat with stefan and unix? 1/2?

[mhermher]

Originally posted by Tseng


I like that you didn't even try to counter the points I made in my last post at all.

And yet again, what's to stop anyone else from sending you bugs? Or sending Stefan bugs? Or sending anyone who has debug access bugs? Or posting them in the aptly named Bugs Forum?



Then your claim of 30 bugs could be simply made up. Or, they could be really small things (as in a misspelling of a word perhaps). Or, they could be bugs that have already been submitted/posted.

Well, i know for a fact, they all are bugs, and no small bugs.

You don't need to know that they are real or not, if many people know the bugs, more people exploit and abouse them, so we keep them for our selves.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by mhermher


Why should we stop them?
And i didn't see your points..

They can post/flood the emails as much as they want, but what's the chance of getting answered? 1/100?
What's the chance of our begin answered, when i got live chat with stefan and unix? 1/2?

Forums.
Other Debug Users.
Forum PMs.

And cool, your pretend staff team can keep bugs to themselves so only they can exploit them! ^_^

[mhermher]

Originally posted by Tseng


Forums.
Other Debug Users.
Forum PMs.

And cool, your pretend staff team can keep bugs to themselves so only they can exploit them! ^_^

-Forums.
Flooding the forums wont help..
-Other Debug Users.
I got the idea, not other debug users.
-Forum PMs.
Flood PM inbox.

AND FOR THE LAST TIME: WE DO NOT PRETEND TO BE STAFF. WE ARE NOT STAFF, NOR DO WE THINK WE ARE.

Idiot.

[Christian]

Originally posted by mhermher


-Forums.
Flooding the forums wont help..
-Other Debug Users.
I got the idea, not other debug users.
-Forum PMs.
Flood PM inbox.

AND FOR THE LAST TIME: WE DO NOT PRETEND TO BE STAFF. WE ARE NOT STAFF, NOR DO WE THINK WE ARE.

Idiot.

So its just a guild which tries to report a lot of bugs.

[SingleChance]

Originally posted by mhermher
-Other Debug Users.
I got the idea, not other debug users.

that's the point though, anyone who finds a bug can tell any person with debug and it will get across just as fast....
there doesn't need to be a team dedicated to telling only you..
it's just pointless

[Dude6252000]

..
I just read this whole thread.
I quit the team. I find it pointless, still. I just noticed how pointless it was with all of the points Tseng and others made.
Tyrial, your arguing is pretty pathetic. Tseng's dishing out damage with good points, as you just call him names.
Leave me out of this. *runs away*

[Geno]

i don't have the time to read this whole thread, becuase i just looked at some of it and noticed half of it was just arguing
so did tyreal put together this team? or is it actully a real team support by staff so they can test stuff :0?

[Kronan]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
BEHOLD TYRIAL! My tribute TO YOU!!

*****, that is hilarous.

[protagonist]

Originally posted by Dude6252000
..
I just read this whole thread.
I quit the team. I find it pointless, still. I just noticed how pointless it was with all of the points Tseng and others made.
Tyrial, your arguing is pretty pathetic. Tseng's dishing out damage with good points, as you just call him names.
Leave me out of this. *runs away*

Or in the name of fashion you leave.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by mhermher


-Forums.
Flooding the forums wont help..

Fwahaha, posting bugs in the Bugs Forum...which is designed for bugs...which Stefan reads...won't help. This really makes sense!

-Other Debug Users.
I got the idea, not other debug users.

You missed the point (not very surprisingly), again. I said what's to stop people from reporting bugs to other debug members so that Stefan can hear it 'just as fast' (assuming any of your arguments about that being the fastest way for Stefan to hear of bugs were correct ).

-Forum PMs.
Flood PM inbox.

I'm sure Stefan just hates to learn of bugs with his software. I mean, he could be insulted or something!

AND FOR THE LAST TIME: WE DO NOT PRETEND TO BE STAFF. WE ARE NOT STAFF, NOR DO WE THINK WE ARE.

Then what's with the intentionally misleading name+post?

Idiot.

Great point! I mean, that really makes people believe what you're saying to be true, as well as commands respect for your eminent self! (By the way...Nice picture, SB. )

[protagonist]

Some people are so easily amused. Why do people think that picture is at all witty?

[TripleE]

After some thinking,I releasized im just wasting my time. heres why. I thought that applying for this would actually be an offical job the way it was described "GLOBAL Beta Testers". So liek most of the global jobs I was thinking I would get global warpto or something. Maybe even an email address. But no. This was a total misleading trick. This is all a publicity scam for Tyrial. If you noticed...he reports the bugs to Stefan,or unixmad. How would they know who found the bugs?They wouldnt. So I dont want to waste hours trying to find bugs when Tyrial is taking all the credit for hard work I do. So I guess I'm done. Until something is actually made to make this a real"Global" job.