Paladin Code - Page 2

GoZelda · #16 07-01-2003, 10:13 PM

Good boy :P

I guess it was Ryu "Infinite" Deacon.

feivel · #17 07-03-2003, 07:57 PM

WHoa whoa whoa. It is very possible to be an evil saint. Just because there are no evil saints doesnt mean it isnt possible. Saint is just a word or title. If I ran an evil church and you were some evil guy the church of evil could easily call you an evil saint.
And you would be one so ha :P

Discharge · #18 07-03-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by feivel
WHoa whoa whoa. It is very possible to be an evil saint. Just because there are no evil saints doesnt mean it isnt possible. Saint is just a word or title. If I ran an evil church and you were some evil guy the church of evil could easily call you an evil saint.
And you would be one so ha :P

Its not only a title, Santa Clause is a saint because he doesn't do anything evil and his not all up in the Catholic church or anything. I have no idea why anybody would start a evil church and titled someone an evil saint because that alone doesn't make any sense. Saint is a good person. How can you be a good person if your a bad person? How can white be black when its white? How can a chicken be a T-Rex when its a chicken? How can a Paladin be an evil Paladin when his a Paladin? How can Feivel be Googi when his Feivel?

thesaiyan · #19 07-03-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Discharge

Its not only a title, Santa Clause is a saint because he doesn't do anything evil and his not all up in the Catholic church or anything. I have no idea why anybody would start a evil church and titled someone an evil saint because that alone doesn't make any sense. Saint is a good person. How can you be a good person if your a bad person? How can white be black when its white? How can a chicken be a T-Rex when its a chicken? How can a Paladin be an evil Paladin when his a Paladin? How can Feivel be Googi when his Feivel?

No.. Santa Clause isn't the one considered a Saint in the Catholic church. Saint Nicholus (sp?) is where the concept of Santa Clause came from. Santa Clause was made up from what St. Nicholus used to do. That whole buy 21348732498 toys for people to make money during Christmas.

Santa = Fake and not a saint.
Nicholus = real and a saint.

GoZelda · #20 07-04-2003, 04:12 PM

St. Nikolaas (as it's written in Dutch and German too, i think) was a Saint from Turky. He did excist, he was a bishop in real. St. Nikolaas came from the Dutch/German to America, (just like Harlem and Brooklyn) , were they formed it to Santa Claus.

feivel · #21 07-10-2003, 03:32 PM

AAAh me be googi?
Ok heres an example. A Policeman...
Policeman are supposed to uphold the law and be noble etc.
But what about the einsfatzgruppen (i know I didnt spell that right) How noble and good were they, huh? got you there!

Satrek2000 · #22 07-10-2003, 04:09 PM

The german spelling I know is St. Nikolaus. Also, what's "einsfatzgruppen" supposed to mean? Sounds like a german word I'd roughly translate as strike team or something... how is that supposed to be evil? The problem, in general (and in my opinion), is this: what is evil? If you kill someone to save someone else, is that evil? Yes, if you kill a cop to help a criminal escape. No, if you kill a criminal to save a cop. I think it's never that easy, always requires concidering the circumstances and... well, shades of gray.

Kaimetsu · #23 07-11-2003, 08:22 AM

Of course it's possible to be a Dark Paladin, just as it's possible to have a blue apple. The 'dark' prefix simply overrides the standard 'good' morality of the paladin.

Tseng · #24 07-11-2003, 12:18 PM

The word Paladin can simply mean a strong supporter of a cause. Why can this cause not be a dark one?

Discharge · #25 07-25-2003, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
The word Paladin can simply mean a strong supporter of a cause. Why can this cause not be a dark one?

Quote: "So, there are many who picture Paladins not as virtuous knights but as other virtuous champions. So, it is more accurate to refer to Paladins as champions of a cause. There is however a significant detail that we must take into account if we are to understand what Paladins really are. Should we define them as champions of a cause, terrorists, murderers or even Hitler may as well be defined as Paladins. Paladins are not mere champions of a cause. They are Holy Champions, Heroes of the Light, Deliverers of Justice, Bringers of Peace. All Paladins follow a Universal Code that shapes and guides their vision of a better world. All Paladins are subject to the Divine Law that "All Life is sacred". A terrorist, who grossly violates this commandment, is not a Paladin. A fanatic of any religion or cause, who usually resorts in the extreme acts of killing and destroying, is not a Paladin. These acts are accounted as Evil and invoke the wrath of the Paladins. The Paladin is a Champion of Light and Goodness (universally defined)."

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Of course it's possible to be a Dark Paladin, just as it's possible to have a blue apple. The 'dark' prefix simply overrides the standard 'good' morality of the paladin.

If you put it that way then its also possible to be a pink paladin or yellow paladin. However, when referring dark as an evil, then its not possible because once the Paladin commits evil actions he loses his power thus no longer being a Paladin but a fallen.

GoZelda · #26 07-25-2003, 01:42 PM

See it like this: you have a knight. Knights are said to be good. But how many of them killed peasants for fun and looted villages? Thus, a Dark Paladin sort of is the same.

Tseng · #27 07-25-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Discharge

Quote: "So, there are many who picture Paladins not as virtuous knights but as other virtuous champions. So, it is more accurate to refer to Paladins as champions of a cause. There is however a significant detail that we must take into account if we are to understand what Paladins really are. Should we define them as champions of a cause, terrorists, murderers or even Hitler may as well be defined as Paladins. Paladins are not mere champions of a cause. They are Holy Champions, Heroes of the Light, Deliverers of Justice, Bringers of Peace. All Paladins follow a Universal Code that shapes and guides their vision of a better world. All Paladins are subject to the Divine Law that "All Life is sacred". A terrorist, who grossly violates this commandment, is not a Paladin. A fanatic of any religion or cause, who usually resorts in the extreme acts of killing and destroying, is not a Paladin. These acts are accounted as Evil and invoke the wrath of the Paladins. The Paladin is a Champion of Light and Goodness (universally defined)."

You missed the point. The word itself can mean simply "a strong supporter of a cause." That is one of its dictionary definitions. You cannot argue with that point. *sigh*

Discharge · #28 07-26-2003, 04:50 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng

You missed the point. The word itself can mean simply "a strong supporter of a cause." That is one of its dictionary definitions. You cannot argue with that point. *sigh*

Miss what point? I got your point. You are telling me why can't a Paladin follow a dark cause as in an evil cause. Here let me edit out the main point of that quote.

"Paladins are not mere champions of a cause. They are Holy Champions, Heroes of the Light, Deliverers of Justice, Bringers of Peace. All Paladins follow a Universal Code that shapes and guides their vision of a better world. All Paladins are subject to the Divine Law that "All Life is sacred.”

Now here is another reason. Once a paladin commits an evil act, his powers are forever lost. These powers are that of a Paladin. Without these powers you are just a regular person. So once you decide to be champion of an evil cause or just commit an evil act, you lose your paladin powers forever. How can you be a dark paladin when you don't have the powers of a Paladin? Do you see what I’m saying?

Tseng · #29 07-26-2003, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Discharge

Miss what point? I got your point. You are telling me why can't a Paladin follow a dark cause as in an evil cause. Here let me edit out the main point of that quote.

"Paladins are not mere champions of a cause. They are Holy Champions, Heroes of the Light, Deliverers of Justice, Bringers of Peace. All Paladins follow a Universal Code that shapes and guides their vision of a better world. All Paladins are subject to the Divine Law that "All Life is sacred.”

Now here is another reason. Once a paladin commits an evil act, his powers are forever lost. These powers are that of a Paladin. Without these powers you are just a regular person. So once you decide to be champion of an evil cause or just commit an evil act, you lose your paladin powers forever. How can you be a dark paladin when you don't have the powers of a Paladin? Do you see what I’m saying?

Let me make a few statements.

1) You cite someone's interpretation of what a Paladin is.

2) You are attempting to argue fiction against a dictionary definition.

3) If a paladin is merely a strong supporter of a cause (which it can be, according to the dictionary), then a "Dark Paladin" can exist.

Kaimetsu · #30 07-26-2003, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Discharge
If you put it that way then its also possible to be a pink paladin or yellow paladin.

Yes, of course it is. So?

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However, when referring dark as an evil, then its not possible because once the Paladin commits evil actions he loses his power thus no longer being a Paladin but a fallen.[/COLOR]

You misunderstand. The 'dark' prefix overrides the holiness and traditional powers of the paladin and implies a new set. A dark paladin resembles a paladin in many ways - both are religious warriors, both call on the power of a deity etc. The difference is akin to one of color. The light paladin is good and calls on the power of a good deity, while the dark paladin is evil and draws power from an evil deity. The principles are all the same, the two types just take them in different directions.