New PWA members

[Spark910]

Originally posted by draygin


Some of us might have applied had you not stopped accepting applications early. You said you would accept no more applications after that friday. That's great we have until friday to make revisions go over check for spelling, grammar, etc..
So we go to work/school and then fine out you stop accepting applications almost 18 hours before the deadline you had posted. Then you extend it a few hours doing any one who is at work/school absolutly no good since our applications are sitting on our desktop at home which we still wont get to until we get home and past even the second deadline. Now I'm not complaining or bickering about it nor have I previously because it's not the end of the world. But it would be nice if in the future you actually stick with the specified times you set rather than closing it almost a day early. It probably filtereted out alot of good candidates who are picky about the work and prefer not to hand in half arsed applications early but rather take the full time needed to make sure everything is the best it can possibly be.

To those who made it congrats and hope you enjoy doing it. I prefer to judge people on the actions they take rather than what I hear from other people and I'm sure they wouldn't have been hired if they didnt meet the qualifications needed.

You had 7 days (168 hours) which is long enough to type up something and submit it. And people drop the kish stuff. Nem is REALLY annoyed on AIM that people cant see that she didn't get in for any other reason than her skills.

[Milkdude99]

Congrats to all those who made the team! Now as far as the other comments posted here I only have this word of advice so take it or leave it, it’s your choice. I am sure there is 99.99% of all here trust and believe in Aftershock so he made his choices; so at least give them the benefit of the doubt here. Whether we believe they are the right choice doesn't matter, time will tell if they are or not and since we do have trust and belief in AfterShock, don't you think if someone doesn't work out he will correct this?? By bad mouthing anyone of the team you are bad mouthing Aftershocks ability to make decisions.

Nothing is 100% sure and there is no guarantees about anything in life so at least give your support to AfterShock and his Team you owe it to him and to Graal. We all make mistakes nobody here is perfect. It is not the point that we make mistakes but that we learn from them and try not to make those same mistakes again. Anyone can use this quote from me if you like... " A measure of a person is not judged by the mistakes they make but by the mistakes they overcome, this is the true measure of the human spirit." Yes this comes from me and not out of any book or quote from someone else, it is something I personally believe.

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by zell12
I still think that if you expected professionalism from us, than you could of done that same with setting up the applications. X_x

Some points could of been made by you like:

• The application should emphasize the jobseeker’s skills and experience and NOT his/her work history. The history is irrelevant.
• Descriptions should demonstrate the results he/she has achieved
• DON'T get too personal. It is possible to give a reader too much information, and some things an employer or such a person just doesn't want to know.

Just small things like that, and also about the supporters, it should be recomendation notes, not just names, like I said in my last post. But, it doesn't matter now, it's over with. -_-

Your application was good I said that....

But we all have a common goal and everyone does their part in being active on graal.

You have managers you may not agree with but they do work hard, regardless of what you believe and see.

A server takes a lot of time and dedication and you go through an extensive amount of hardships...as N-Pulse has for example with it's plague of staff members working then doing something they should of and can you blame them for having rules you expect people to follow? Strict rules or not, rules are rules and we try to enforce them so we can get a quality game here.

Sure this game is not the BEST graphical game, sure it may be "boring" but if you want to make it fun, think of ideas, learn to script, learn to make levels, if something "Sucks" try making it better by running ideas through people...You think all playerworlds suck? Make your own....Graal has a lot of possibilities but if we sit here and bash one another on the forums...through pm's, thought im's whatever...where would we be? No where just dragging out crap that should be squashed.

Anger made me say things because no matter what I try to do and have done everyone says "oh do it that way" etc etc...

I just want everyone to come together, realize the goals and strive for us to make a better graal...Are you going to get pissed off with things? YES, are you going to come to things you cannot control...YES...can we still make the best of our experience? YES! So for one I say sorry to those who felt I've done them wrong...but the job requires to put the best people in place, regardless of friendship, relationship, hatred, dislike whatever, if someone is meant to have the job they will have it.... I praised Shavo's application when most people who know him and I...we've had it out SEVERAL times back and forth...does he deserve a chance? yes, will he get one? you never know...that goes for everyone who has done wrong, people change...Sorry to Angel and everyone...

GST, PWA, Account Managers, all my staff simply do what they got to do, and all I can ask and you could ask of them, is that when they do work, they give it 100%, if they did and they cannot do anymore, why blame them? We are human, mistakes are made...it is just forgive those who are truly sorry for their mistakes and those who know and continue to make them on purpose should not be forgiven so easily...

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Whether we believe they are the right choice doesn't matter, time will tell if they are or not and since we do have trust and belief in AfterShock, don't you think if someone doesn't work out he will correct this?? By bad mouthing anyone of the team you are bad mouthing Aftershocks ability to make decisions.

Not to mention itching towards the black-list for future applications I asume. Anyhow, give her a chance, its been what? 10-12hours? And your at her already? I don't want her to be forced off the team because of what people are saying.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Spark910


You had 7 days (168 hours) which is long enough to type up something and submit it. And people drop the kish stuff. Nem is REALLY annoyed on AIM that people cant see that she didn't get in for any other reason than her skills.

It was 5 days Spark , it was posted on Sunday 4-13-03 11:32 PM (Night) and closed on Friday 4-18-03 3:00pm (Afternoon) not that it makes a difference.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
It was 5 days Spark , it was posted on Sunday 4-13-03 11:32 PM (Night) and closed on Friday 4-18-03 3:00pm (Afternoon) not that it makes a difference.

So it was. Mon-Fri. I stand corrected. *runs*

[zell12]

Nemesis, I did my best with the application and I told you in it the reason I never added the three other supporters, and I told you I know it would void my application, but, I was not going to go onto some server I rarely go on and ask random admins if they want to support me, and make up some lies to get them to like me and stuff. That is what half the people done, the other half just got their friends to support them.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by zell12
Nemesis, I did my best with the application and I told you in it the reason I never added the three other supporters, and I told you I know it would void my application, but, I was not going to go onto some server I rarely go on and ask random admins if they want to support me, and make up some lies to get them to like me and stuff. That is what half the people done, the other half just got their friends to support them.

Luckly I knew every supporter as I had either worked for them, or just know them anyway. And yes I suppose that didn't help that you only had 3.

[zell12]

I had two supporters, and I gave reason why -- why is in detail in my above two; now three posts.

[thesaiyan]

Originally posted by Mykel
I didn't want to say anything, but it seems so. They are always on delteria with the same tag, and pk together, and are in the same guilds and are buddy-buddy. This may just be coincidence, but.....

So what if they are in the same guild/family as each other? Kish is a good choice. Better to have someone with a little managing skills such as kish than have someone without them. And Spark and Houidi (sp? Sorry for spelling lol) you two are also good choices. Congrats guys and girl.

[Cynicism]

I guess I will extend my congratulations to those who made the PWA Team. Though it dosen't really matter to me, it must feel like quite an honor to have been chosen amongst the multitude of applicants who applied.

Also, I think everyone should quit bickering about who made it on the PWA. Who gives a damn, really? Obviously,the ones chosen were seen as the best choices, and so to the victor goes the spoils. If there are some of you who are sore that you didn't get it (aimed towards those who are publically whining), tough. Just swallow your damned pride and accept that there were people better, and more qualified than you. There is no need for this stupid whiny crap to take place, really...

[zell12]

Cyn, and the others saying that some people posting here are "sore losers" and are bickering because they never won, should not be saying that, because the people suspected of doing that are not. They are just giving their opinion, and every human being is entitled to his/her opinion.

[Cynicism]

Yes. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, as I am, Excalibur. And yes, I do think it's silly and childish to fight over something so minuscule as a posistion on the PWA team. Yeah, sure some people may be uneasy about Kish being on the PWA team, for example but... has anyone given her the chance to see how she will preform? No one knows how these new PWA members will do yet. With that said, I suggest that everyone not judge a book, simply by it's cover.

[Mykel]

That's what I tried to point out in my post kai. I am not saying that Nem is being biased, as it seems he didn't have a decision in it, but it just raises suspicians (sp?).

[Lyndzey]

What's done is done. Whether or not the decision for the new PWA was wrong or not, the decision is final. Nemesis AND Aftershock chose the people to be apart of PWA. Nemesis even said that Aftershock had a greater say in the hirings which means that Aftershock could override Nemesis's decision to hire Kish.

The team isn't going to change. The new PWA were chosen, so lets leave it at that. WE did not see the applications so WE cannot determine whether or not the decision was a good one. Lets just let Nemesis and Aftershock do his job.

And Kai, I think Nemesis also meant grammar. Spelling might be wrong to grade on but grammar is something I would grade on. I would prefer the person who puts effort into their work rather than the person who types "internet language" and does not correct their typos.

[Neglegence2002]

Originally posted by Lyndzey
What's done is done. Whether or not the decision for the new PWA was wrong or not, the decision is final. Nemesis AND Aftershock chose the people to be apart of PWA. Nemesis even said that Aftershock had a greater say in the hirings which means that Aftershock could override Nemesis's decision to hire Kish.

The team isn't going to change. The new PWA were chosen, so lets leave it at that. WE did not see the applications so WE cannot determine whether or not the decision was a good one. Lets just let Nemesis and Aftershock do his job.

And Kai, I think Nemesis also meant grammar. Spelling might be wrong to grade on but grammar is something I would grade on. I would prefer the person who puts effort into their work rather than the person who types "internet language" and does not correct their typos.

They also have a grammer check, its on Microsoft Word.

[Darlene159]

A few days ago I saw Nemesis log onto Enigma RC and proceed to throw around heaps of homophobic prejudice. This is the person choosing our future PWA? -_-

I have never known Nemesis to be prejudice...

[Deek2]

Originally posted by Darlene159

I have never known Nemesis to be prejudice...

I've also had 'racist' problems with him when I was working on Cynical.

[zell12]

Originally posted by Neglegence2002

They also have a grammer check, its on Microsoft Word.

And on Word Perfect. >

I have to disagree with you all. The reason why grammar and spelling was to be perfect or almost was to make it presentable. Would you hire someone that could not make the effort to correct his mistakes, or hire someone who has a well-presented application? Experance is only one thing Nemesis graded on, let's just leave it be. We cannot change what is already set, we can only be anxious to find out who it is that will be the fourth PWA member.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

I don't want to speculate and get into details, but when you have a handful of applications that have a few sentences saying "well, I would be a good PW member because..." and then you have a few applications that say "I would be a good PW member because.. and I will bring to the team.. and I would do this in situation x.. and situation y..." then obviously you get to know the person a bit more. Come on man, this is common sense. If someone goes into a job interview and says "please pick me because I am good for the job etc." and you have someone who comes in with a resume, is dressed neatly and answers your questions fully then expands on them, who are you most likely to pick. Now, this isn't to say that the other applications were terrible, but you could tell who put a bit more effort into it than the others.

If I've caused this community much grief over this decision, I am very sorry. I am not an anamoly who knows every single event on Graal, when it happened, when it happened and the end result. As you know, I haven't been active much on the Graal scene in the last couple months, I was offered the job, I accepted, and I'm back to work. Some of you (not all of you) are bickering like the other kingdoms back in the day did when I was in Dustari as prince/King and kept saying "OMfg DUSTARI CANT R-P TEHY R TEH SUCK". Well guess what, sometimes things look a bit different on paper.

And this is where I will stop, because from this post I bet I've probably just caused more speculation and created more questions and made more enemies, but this needed to be said. I don't blame Nemesis because he really let me choose the team, I don't blame Kishara because she hasn't done a thing yet, and people are already on her case. I don't blame any of the final applicants that didn't make it nor do I say there applications were terrible, I just don't understand why everyone has to scream bloody murder when something doesn't go their way.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I would hire the person who seemed most competent at judging playerworlds, regardless of whether or not they masked their weaknesses with spell checkers or other such artificial aids.



Indeed? Perhaps he refrains from expressing it when you are nearby, but it didn't take long for that side of him to manifest itself on Enigma.

Hey Mr. **** Disturber. You can go away now. No one cares about your conspiracy theory on Nemesis. It's quite obvious you're trying to build a case up against him at a time when the Graal community has questioned one of his decisions (or mine, however you look at it) to make it lok increasingly worse.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
I don't want to speculate and get into details, but when you have a handful of applications that have a few sentences saying "well, I would be a good PW member because..." and then you have a few applications that say "I would be a good PW member because.. and I will bring to the team.. and I would do this in situation x.. and situation y..." then obviously you get to know the person a bit more. Come on man, this is common sense.

Indeed, but you are missing the point entirely. I am criticising the decision to judge based on spelling and grammar, not content. Judging on content is obviously a logical step, but disqualifying entrants just because they spell some words wrong is idiotic.

I am not an anamoly

See? You don't need to be a good speller to be a PWA

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
Hey Mr. **** Disturber. You can go away now. No one cares about your conspiracy theory on Nemesis.

How cruel of you to so viciously wound me with your words. Hey, here're a couple of points:

1) Ask everybody else how much they care about something before you speak on their behalf. Despite whatever you might believe, you are not omniscient and are in fact embarrassingly out of touch with how people actually think.
2) Do you remember that you are supposed to be a supermod? I appreciate that your long periods of inactivity might have dulled your memory, but you can always check in your user profile anytime you are unsure. And guess what? Supermods generally aren't supposed to tell users to "go away" just for posting something they don't agree with.

It's quite obvious you're trying to build a case up against him at a time when the Graal community has questioned one of his decisions (or mine, however you look at it) to make it lok increasingly worse.

Is it, indeed? No, I am merely criticising his judgement. The fact that he has made numerous such blunders in the past does not mean I should not discuss this one. In any case, I don't need help to make either of you look bad

[Cynicism]

I don't mean to be sound like an ass, but hasn't there been enough bickering over this subject already? What's done is done. Perhaps this thread should be closed to prevent further inane, and otherwise redundant *****ing.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Rambling

Thanks guy, now go off and play with your scripts.

To the rest of you, I apologize, but Kaimetsu is someone who is unique and special, one who thrives on arguments. I'm sure there are others who agree with me, therefore he deserves a lot less respect then the rest of you.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
Thanks guy, now go off and play with your scripts.

Isn't it interesting that most of your responses revolve around trying to get rid of me rather than countering my points? Actually, no, it's entirely predictable. You never were very good at this game, were you? If you don't want to play then feel free to opt out - your win:loss ratio will thank you and I'm sure nobody here will shed any tears at your departure.

To the rest of you, I apologize, but Kaimetsu is someone who is unique and special, one who thrives on arguments. I'm sure there are others who agree with me, therefore he deserves a lot less respect then the rest of you.

Seems that LogicBall isn't your sport of choice either. It may be true that there are a number of people like you, embittered by me pointing out their incompetence and stupidity, but their spiteful opinions hardly reflect on my worth as a person or user of these forums.

One way or another, you started this argument. Don't try to shift the blame just because it's turning out like every other we've had

[zell12]

Aftershock, just tell Nemesis to delete Kais posts. I don't think he realizes that he is off topic and arguing about something no one cares about but himself. Let him have his glory and just ignore him.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by zell12
Aftershock, just tell Nemesis to delete Kais posts. I don't think he realizes that he is off topic and arguing about something no one cares about but himself. Let him have his glory and just ignore him.

Agreed....dont bother Aftershock, it is pointless

[zell12]

Yes, you cannot please everyone, so don't try to. But about the applications, how about making them a bit more... professional if you expect it from us. I thought that the application was great, did filter alot of people out, but it still needed a few things and a some minor changes. Just a few hints for next time.

[Darlene159]

Err, Nemesis closed this thread, who opened it back up?