Clarification upon a matter: - Page 2

Python523 · #16 12-14-2002, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
What makes no sense is why people say doing this is Illegal, and yet one of Stefan and Unixmad's closest staff member persons is using an account that she does not own.

she has her own account now

Darlene159 · #17 12-14-2002, 11:50 PM

The problem is there are too many "Nemesis said this....", "Stefan said this...."
We need a clear cut message from Stefan, not him telling people here and there...we cannot run PW's correctly if we arent enformed, until then, I will follow the original rules.
If/when rules are changed, it needs to be put in the rules, the information needs to be accessible to everyone, not just people who come to these forums.

NovaNET · #18 12-23-2002, 02:47 AM

I agree aswell.... I wouldnt enforce anything till i saw it in stone
ie: Stefan or Unixmad made a post about the issue.

Neglegence2002 · #19 12-23-2002, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

It's not a matter of agreeing. The rules are clearly stated in the EULA: Accounts cannot be transferred after purchase.

I dont want to get techical, but even Stefan and Unixmad cant stop someone from using another players account. Since more than half the people that play graal are from the U.S., theres a law thats states, if you have legal papers, if you bought it with your own money, and have proof, it makes it your property. Thus, making the account, the person who bought it. If they take measures to globally ban the account, it could be brought to small claims court, but i dont think no one will go that far.

unixmad · #20 12-23-2002, 04:37 PM

The only rule is the rule written on the Web site and agreed by player when they subscribe.

If there is any change in the rule it will be made officially on the web site.

And please, stop speaking about your mastering degree in law, neither you, neither me are able to understand all the special cases in the law. Then right now the only law is the law you have accepted when you have signed Graal.

konidias · #21 12-23-2002, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by unixmad
The only rule is the rule written on the Web site and agreed by player when they subscribe.

If there is any change in the rule it will be made officially on the web site.

And please, stop speaking about your mastering degree in law, neither you, neither me are able to understand all the special cases in the law. Then right now the only law is the law you have accepted when you have signed Graal.

You're right, the only rules you follow are the ones that you agreed to when making your account. If it says NO SHARING, it means NO SHARING. It doesn't matter if the account belongs to you and it's your property, you agreed not to share it.

Angel · #22 12-23-2002, 05:52 PM

i have my own account? WOW no one told me :/. And Elite/KA I never said anything about that. I said the logs should you withdrawing from anthoner account. But it was my mistake. The two accounts have very close account numbers. Im sorry and im not *****

zell12 · #23 12-23-2002, 05:59 PM

How come Stefan said we can share accounts to "show" someone what its like on gold servers then Unixmad? Again, providing us with innaccurate information leads to threads like this.

unixmad · #24 12-23-2002, 06:04 PM

zell12 my patience have limits, i control myself each time i read your message to not ban you.

If you remember well i have unbanned your account not so long ago, not to speak on the number of players that complain about you.

That's the last warning !, next one it will be the door.

zell12 · #25 12-23-2002, 06:07 PM

My account was not banned ever by anyone. -_-
I'm stating what is the truth, you provide is with inncorect information sometimes.
[edit] Well it was by koni for disrupting an event on GraalKingdoms, which I did not do, since it was unintentional, but still. Stefan unbanned me.[/edit]

tlf288 · #26 12-23-2002, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
My account was not banned ever by anyone. -_-
I'm stating what is the truth, you provide is with inncorect information sometimes.
[edit] Well it was by koni for disrupting an event on GraalKingdoms, which I did not do, since it was unintentional, but still. Stefan unbanned me.[/edit]

I'm not trying to tell you what to do zell but yu may what to lay low for awhile. You seem to be upsetting some very important people.

zell12 · #27 12-23-2002, 08:15 PM

Oh well, ban me Unixmad, it will give me a reason not to play graal no more.

tlf288 · #28 12-23-2002, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Oh well, ban me Unixmad, it will give me a reason not to play graal no more.

After a week you'll go through withdraws then you'll settle for a trial account untill you pay for a classic one. You know you will

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**MysticalDragon** · #29 12-23-2002, 11:38 PM

You bought the account.That Makes it your account.Stefan nor Unixmad should give a rats a*s on who uses your account or not.If you bought it that Makes it yours.If you give out your pass and the one you gave it to gives it out to some one else thats your problem thats your lose.Thats how i think it should be.

//Edit i Agree alot with Excalibur is saying

Why Ban him for speaking his mind.Just because you dislike what he says you ban him to me thats the only thing curropt.

Torankusu · #30 12-24-2002, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by MysticalDragon
You bought the account.That Makes it your account.Stefan nor Unixmad should give a rats a*s on who uses your account or not.If you bought it that Makes it yours.If you give out your pass and the one you gave it to gives it out to some one else thats your problem thats your lose.Thats how i think it should be.

Uh...by letting other people always play on your account, for like gold servers and such, you're losing Stefan and Unixmad money.

For example, you pay $40 for one account and 4 people, including yourself, use it for a year. $40 * 4 = $160. They could be making $120 more than they are if you let people share.

Obvious!

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you also said...
//Edit i Agree alot with Excalibur is saying

Why Ban him for speaking his mind.Just because you dislike what he says you ban him to me thats the only thing curropt.

He's causing problems. He called unixmad a liar, when, in truth, he's right. We signed up and agreed to something, and the "U.S." law is just as likely to say you signed and agreed to abide by what you signed for, rather than pull out some "IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, DO WHAT YOU WANT" stuff.

FOR EXAMPLE...When you buy a DVD or Movie, the Federal Warning thing comes up and tells you can't make unauthorized copies and distribute it. "But...it's my property, why can't I do what I want with it...?!" Because they say you can't.

Obvious!