What has Graal become? - Page 2

AlkarenHyralt · #1 01-04-2002, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by PlasmaDestroyer
The main reason they are doing it, is because they know they can do it without being jailed. We need to make rules and make people follow them. NOW.

I don't know exactly what you mean. Please be more clear.

grim_squeaker_x · #2 01-04-2002, 12:35 AM

We should have Dante back as SuperMod, back when he was that he did a good job.

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Oh, and Alkaren as Admin because he's paying me to say this. Just kidding ;P
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PlasmaDestroyer · #3 01-04-2002, 12:35 AM

Well, find a good person who is willing to devote time to help the Forums.

konidias · #4 01-04-2002, 12:36 AM

Maybe it would help to have moderators that aren't staff on a server or anything.. because I know Birdbird is busy with his projects, and godspeed with 2k2, so I really think there should be people dedicated only to the forums not to other things like g2k1 or g2k2, maybe if you're only like police or events team or something that's fine.. but not when you're a level maker or admin because it requires more time.

PlasmaDestroyer · #5 01-04-2002, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

I don't know exactly what you mean. Please be more clear.

People are saying, "You suck" as a thread and other very stupid things. If you spam, you should have your privlidges (sorrry about spelling) removed for a while. Things that keep people from doing what they did over and over with punishment.

AlkarenHyralt · #6 01-04-2002, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
Maybe it would help to have moderators that aren't staff on a server or anything.. because I know Birdbird is busy with his projects, and godspeed with 2k2, so I really think there should be people dedicated only to the forums not to other things like g2k1 or g2k2, maybe if you're only like police or events team or something that's fine.. but not when you're a level maker or admin because it requires more time.

I would gladly give up my job for adminship. Running and helping the forums is the only thing I have ever wanted to do.

ArchOwl · #7 01-04-2002, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
Maybe it would help to have moderators that aren't staff on a server or anything.. because I know Birdbird is busy with his projects, and godspeed with 2k2, so I really think there should be people dedicated only to the forums not to other things like g2k1 or g2k2, maybe if you're only like police or events team or something that's fine.. but not when you're a level maker or admin because it requires more time.

HELLO?

AlkarenHyralt · #8 01-04-2002, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by PlasmaDestroyer

People are saying, "You suck" as a thread and other very stupid things. If you spam, you should have your privlidges (sorrry about spelling) removed for a while. Things that keep people from doing what they did over and over with punishment.

Ah, removing their posting privilages is totally different than jailing them, which is what you said first.

PlasmaDestroyer · #9 01-04-2002, 12:41 AM

Mis-typed =D

I'd be very willing to devote time to Forums and nothing else. It would be cleaning up the crap to make Graal an overall better place.

ArchOwl · #10 01-04-2002, 12:47 AM

If i could get a lat position or head-lat position for 2k1 i could devote alot of time into that *cough cough gag wheeze hack cough heart attack*

jeff335 · #11 01-04-2002, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
There are people who try to help Graal in whatever way they can (like me). I volunteer to help with the forums and keep them fixed and such. Yet I am ignored, and called power hungry or that it is my burning ambition or whatever.

When people don't see everything as a quest for power, and true help is actually reconized and welcomed, only then will Graal get better; never before that.

How true. People who want to help graal are accused of being power hungry and ambitious. The benevolent types are ignored because they openly ask for the power to make things better, and the corrupt people get the jobs instead.

_AcidIce_ · #12 01-04-2002, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
Posting this for the FOURTH time.. without anything to do with 2k2 staff or any other reason I can see it would be deleted because of unreleased 2k2 information

Graal is falling apart more and more each day. This is purely my opinion, and I'm nothing I'm saying is FACT or anything.. but please keep in mind what I say, as I'm sure some of you will agree with me. etc...

I agree with you totally Konidas

Psyker · #13 01-04-2002, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by PlasmaDestroyer
Mis-typed =D

I'd be very willing to devote time to Forums and nothing else. It would be cleaning up the crap to make Graal an overall better place.

If you do become a mod, you have a lot of garbage to clean up.

PlasmaDestroyer · #14 01-04-2002, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by Psyker

If you do become a mod, you have a lot of garbage to clean up.

Which I'll willing to do =)

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #15 01-04-2002, 12:51 AM

<3
Graalian revolution?

NeoNPL · #16 01-04-2002, 12:51 AM

All the admins are too busy on Graal2002 now its up. Theres no one to help anyone on Graal2001 so if you upgrade your account now you come on and get stuck with a bug and cant use unstick me - LOOKY! youve just paid for nothing...

They shouldnt of given all the graal2001 staff jobs on 2k2 theyre too busy with 2k2 now to bother with 2k1 , and with ghost mode on 2k2 you cant talk to the admins there...

ArchOwl · #17 01-04-2002, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by jeff335

How true. People who want to help graal are accused of being power hungry and ambitious. The benevolent types are ignored because they openly ask for the power to make things better, and the corrupt people get the jobs instead.

I really dont know how head lat is power,other than hiring people which isnt a bad thing,i know some good level makers i would hire if i got head lat...

Psyker · #18 01-04-2002, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by ArchOwl

I really dont know how head lat is power,other than hiring people which isnt a bad thing,i know some good level makers i would hire if i got head lat...

RC, probably FTP, etc.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #19 01-04-2002, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by ArchOwl

I really dont know how head lat is power,other than hiring people which isnt a bad thing,i know some good level makers i would hire if i got head lat...

*Slaps on LAT boots and runs around PK'ing*

PlasmaDestroyer · #20 01-04-2002, 12:56 AM

See, you just gotta be able to get rid of the Power Hungry people before they become a problem

ArchOwl · #21 01-04-2002, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

*Slaps on LAT boots and runs around PK'ing*

erm...
i didnt know 2k1 head level editor got lat boots?

PlasmaDestroyer · #22 01-04-2002, 01:01 AM

Probably shouldn't if they do...

AlkarenHyralt · #23 01-04-2002, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by ArchOwl

erm...
i didnt know 2k1 head level editor got lat boots?

You said LAT though which is Classic, where they have LAT boots. Graal 2001 level makers do not. Nor does the Head Level Maker.

PlasmaDestroyer · #24 01-04-2002, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

You said LAT though which is Classic, where they have LAT boots. Graal 2001 level makers do not. Nor does the Head Level Maker.

Good lol

Psyker · #25 01-04-2002, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by PlasmaDestroyer

Good lol

Instead, you get warpto.

ArchOwl · #26 01-04-2002, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

You said LAT though which is Classic, where they have LAT boots. Graal 2001 level makers do not. Nor does the Head Level Maker.

Oh, well I meant for 2001. I dont even PLAY classic.

AlkarenHyralt · #27 01-04-2002, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by ArchOwl

Oh, well I meant for 2001. I dont even PLAY classic.

I know what you meant.

I was just giving you a hard time.

Psyker · #28 01-04-2002, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

I know what you meant.
I was just giving you a hard time.

Hi Alkaren!

ArchOwl · #29 01-04-2002, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by Psyker

Instead, you get warpto.

Im not materialistic on 2k1,lots of people could back me up on that(especially the people i gave away hats to)

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

I know what you meant.
I was just giving you a hard time.

oh

AlkarenHyralt · #30 01-04-2002, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by Psyker

Hi Alkaren!

Hello Psyker!

konidias · #31 01-04-2002, 01:20 AM

I agree with the "soandso staff is corrupt@$!@#" it's getting ridiculous, and I have heard people say I kissed up to Stefan to get my positions which is obviously not true.. I argue with Stefan about things a lot, that means I'm sucking up? The reason I have RC, NC, and ftp, is because I am doing projects that require them.. (playerhouse system, bomy pet battling, etc) Sure I could do them all without these tools, but isn't that what the tools are for?

It's time for some players to realize staff are not just players with power.. they are staff with tools to help out the server.. true there are some corrupt staff, but if you see a staff warp to some private level, you don't just go and label them corrupt. I already told Stefan to make staff rules about things, like staff should not use staff tools or weapons in public if there is no need, since that just makes people think staff are corrupt. "Omg did you see <staffname> running around using some npc that moved stuff around? He's corrupt.."

Part of it is due to the fact that the staff doing this doesn't find this wrong in any way, and was never told it wasn't allowed.

*edit* I am not about to take the time to write out a big list of improvements for Graal, and send it over Stefan's way.. let's just hope he takes me seriously because it seems a lot of people agree with my views here. (thanks

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AlkarenHyralt · #32 01-04-2002, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
I agree with the "soandso staff is corrupt@$!@#" it's getting ridiculous, and I have heard people say I kissed up to Stefan to get my positions which is obviously not true.. I argue with Stefan about things a lot, that means I'm sucking up? The reason I have RC, NC, and ftp, is because I am doing projects that require them.. (playerhouse system, bomy pet battling, etc) Sure I could do them all without these tools, but isn't that what the tools are for?

It's time for some players to realize staff are not just players with power.. they are staff with tools to help out the server.. true there are some corrupt staff, but if you see a staff warp to some private level, you don't just go and label them corrupt. I already told Stefan to make staff rules about things, like staff should not use staff tools or weapons in public if there is no need, since that just makes people think staff are corrupt. "Omg did you see <staffname> running around using some npc that moved stuff around? He's corrupt.."

Part of it is due to the fact that the staff doing this doesn't find this wrong in any way, and was never told it wasn't allowed.

*edit* I am not about to take the time to write out a big list of improvements for Graal, and send it over Stefan's way.. let's just hope he takes me seriously because it seems a lot of people agree with my views here. (thanks )

Well, it's hard to get rid of corrupt staff now, since no one can be fired. If someone went on a mass jailing spree I couldn't fire them, no matter how hard I wanted to, or they deserved it. I could only suspend them.

_AcidIce_ · #33 01-04-2002, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
whatever he wrote

Konidas I agree with everything you say totally , no one could say it better .

G_yoshi · #34 01-04-2002, 01:24 AM

Phew! Got done reading all that...wow! Yes, I agree with Konidias. Things really do need to change for the better. However, as others have already stated, it's hard to be nice and try to be helpful because other players see you as getting to do things they want and they eventually get you removed or they get access to it too...it reminds me of a socialist-type government...but that is just from my point-of-view.

I also agree with Alkaren...and as Unixmad has said, all spam needs to be on the Off-Topic forums...I just wish that we could have rules there as well to keep down the really useless stuff such as threads that are nothing more than someone wasting their time banging on the keyboard and posting characters that have no meaning.

ArchOwl · #35 01-04-2002, 01:25 AM

I think 2k1 head level maker get update level....
but really,head LAT isnt as bad as asking for something like a regular police job,as police can jail players,where level makers just make levels

konidias · #36 01-04-2002, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

Well, it's hard to get rid of corrupt staff now, since no one can be fired. If someone went on a mass jailing spree I couldn't fire them, no matter how hard I wanted to, or they deserved it. I could only suspend them.

Yes I think that's the stupidest rule I think Contego has ever made. You would think the high level admins wouldn't be so corrupt as to fire people they dislike. I think the person that hired them, should be able to fire them, and only those people, unless there is an admin or someone at a higher level that feels the person should be fired, then they should at least consent with the admin of that staff area first.

I just don't see how reporting to Contego about someone that should be fired, is the right way to do it.. because Contego probably wasn't there to see what the staff did, and only has someones word to go by. It just seems like a reason for Contego to use power. :/

G_yoshi · #37 01-04-2002, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
I agree with the "soandso staff is corrupt@$!@#" it's getting ridiculous, and I have heard people say I kissed up to Stefan to get my positions which is obviously not true.. I argue with Stefan about things a lot, that means I'm sucking up? The reason I have RC, NC, and ftp, is because I am doing projects that require them.. (playerhouse system, bomy pet battling, etc) Sure I could do them all without these tools, but isn't that what the tools are for?

It's time for some players to realize staff are not just players with power.. they are staff with tools to help out the server.. true there are some corrupt staff, but if you see a staff warp to some private level, you don't just go and label them corrupt. I already told Stefan to make staff rules about things, like staff should not use staff tools or weapons in public if there is no need, since that just makes people think staff are corrupt. "Omg did you see <staffname> running around using some npc that moved stuff around? He's corrupt.."

Part of it is due to the fact that the staff doing this doesn't find this wrong in any way, and was never told it wasn't allowed.

*edit* I am not about to take the time to write out a big list of improvements for Graal, and send it over Stefan's way.. let's just hope he takes me seriously because it seems a lot of people agree with my views here. (thanks )

Exactly!

Sjc2k1 · #38 01-04-2002, 01:27 AM

i dont want a job on any server.
i am an ok level maker but i agree with konidias and the rest of you there are a few corrupt staff and when i see them i just dont want to get involved or be like them

_AcidIce_ · #39 01-04-2002, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

Yes I think that's the stupidest rule I think Contego has ever made. You would think the high level admins wouldn't be so corrupt as to fire people they dislike. I think the person that hired them, should be able to fire them, and only those people, unless there is an admin or someone at a higher level that feels the person should be fired, then they should at least consent with the admin of that staff area first.

I just don't see how reporting to Contego about someone that should be fired, is the right way to do it.. because Contego probably wasn't there to see what the staff did, and only has someones word to go by. It just seems like a reason for Contego to use power. :/

Konidas , Contego come on my Servers RC Chat and explained that stupid rule .. Before This rule came out ,Nightfall .. I don't know what he is but come on my server telling me how to run it , I think that higher staff are coming out with stuff to make themselfs even higher then what they are now . Making themselves known in a way.

G_yoshi · #40 01-04-2002, 01:30 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

Yes I think that's the stupidest rule I think Contego has ever made. You would think the high level admins wouldn't be so corrupt as to fire people they dislike. I think the person that hired them, should be able to fire them, and only those people, unless there is an admin or someone at a higher level that feels the person should be fired, then they should at least consent with the admin of that staff area first.

I just don't see how reporting to Contego about someone that should be fired, is the right way to do it.. because Contego probably wasn't there to see what the staff did, and only has someones word to go by. It just seems like a reason for Contego to use power. :/

Unfortunately, that is how most staff work...all they do is hire their friends, people the like, or people that are "in-crowd" types...they snub those that actually would do far better and could have the potential to make things better.