Rudora MIA

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

wat are you even talking about

I think he was pretty straightforward with that statement.

[Emera]

Originally Posted by NicoX

Wtf.

Stowen is a fantastic levels artist, although if he says anything about quitting Corinthia again I'll blow is brains out.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

wat are you even talking about

wat are you even confused about

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Crono

just wish skyld's efforts were used elsewhere tho. ):

Agreed.

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by Crono

wat are you even confused about

well i hope you can explain to me why it's so horrible to develop a server, regardless of the history behind it

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

well i hope you can explain to me why it's so horrible to develop a server, regardless of the history behind it

Because most of the time people want to see it revived because "OMG IT WUZ MEH FAVURIT(and in retrospect servers weren't really all that great. Nostalgia can be blinding)" and people want to revive it because they'd be riding off the coat tails of the success of the name rather then their own hard work. Either way revivals never turn out that great(especially since it's rarely being revived by the party that made it great in the first place), and it just ends up marking a bad place in the history of the server.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Because most of the time people want to see it revived because "OMG IT WUZ MEH FAVURIT(and in retrospect servers weren't really all that great. Nostalgia can be blinding)" and people want to revive it because they'd be riding off the coat tails of the success of the name rather then their own hard work. Either way revivals never turn out that great(especially since it's rarely being revived by the party that made it great in the first place), and it just ends up marking a bad place in the history of the server.

That and Rudora was never really like...you know..."SO BIG MY FAVORITE BEST CONTENT O_O". iirc it was released along with the other small servers like Faheria, Frolic, etc. They had solid content for their time, but weren't really anything special imo.

Then again Xone wasn't special and the ~40 avg playercount server is still my fav home server. <3

[Imperialistic]

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.
I could see if Graal wasn't in desperate need for development. But being stubborn and reluctant towards our future development wouldn't be wise for our own sake.

And for the record, towards your reviving party comment ; I actually worked for Rudora with Skyld as a Developer.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.

I think it's because even if such a revival were to come to fruition (which it never has, so there's a lack of examples in order to justify it), there are doubts over whether someone taking a shortcut to success would be the right person to direct such a project after accomplishing it, where they may reach a point where there are no shortcuts. This always happens before such a point is reached however, and always ends up with the project being abandoned, in a less pristine and/or more messy state than when it was inherited, with the reputation of the project shattered.

In Rudora's case, who is there with access to scripting ability on a par with Skyld's? Who also has a compatible vision, the track record, determination and stamina to pull such a feat off?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

I have no personal feeling towards Rudora, as I have never played it. The problem is that usually the people interested in reviving a server aren't interested in actually making a great server, but more interested in the idea that someone has already done the work for them.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.

See the above. How many revival projects do you see on Graal that actually get past uploading old content? Rarely any. In fact, revivals itself aren't bad, as I'm pretty sure Skyld's Rudora was actually a revival project. However there is a bad stigma associated with them for good reason. Hell, my own server was a revival of Classic.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

I could see if Graal wasn't in desperate need for development. But being stubborn and reluctant towards our future development wouldn't be wise for our own sake.

Most of the time a revival project is just as much work, or even more so, than just making a new server from scratch. But it also comes with tons of strings attached. If someone is actually committed and wants to make a great server, I'd rather see them actually go in their own direction and make an original server, rather then being tied down to working with old content(and the drama associated with fans of the old server).

I'm not saying it's impossible to get a legit revival going, but that rarely happens... and when a revival does happen it's usually done by shady members of the community that are too lazy to make their own content and instead are more interested in using someone elses.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.
I could see if Graal wasn't in desperate need for development. But being stubborn and reluctant towards our future development wouldn't be wise for our own sake.

And for the record, towards your reviving party comment ; I actually worked for Rudora with Skyld as a Developer.

you asked why we feel a server like this shouldn't be revived and then blame us for using "personal feelings". ok...

[Imperialistic]

Does it even matter if the revival is successful? It's not like there is intentions to become the top server, but simply for learning and developmental purposes.

Dusty: It sounds like you're disagreeing with a revival simply because it hasn't went well in the past, which is totally a pessimistic attitude towards future accomplishments

[Skyld]

Like Wan said there is actually quite a lot of content ready to put together, it's just that nobody's really had the time to actually do it, including myself. I'd like to think that one day Rudora will come back with a whole new list of things to do, but sadly I don't know how likely it is to happen. It's nice to hear that there are still people following the project though!

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Does it even matter if the revival is successful?

To a lot of developers, there is some importance to them for having a successful revival, showing that their work wasn't entirely wasted.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

It's not like there is intentions to become the top server, but simply for learning and developmental purposes.

If there was a need for learning development practices and ideas, that would be the work of a Course, not doing it entirely from scratch, because there's more then one kind of education you need in order to do so properly.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Dusty: It sounds like you're disagreeing with a revival simply because it hasn't went well in the past, which is totally a pessimistic attitude towards future accomplishments

None of my business to put my two cents in here, but I shall anyway.
You're ignoring the facts he clearly put into the argument, that being that in order to revive any old server that seems to have any desire to be, requires three basic things for at least a "successful revival".

1. Full GS1 to GS2 conversion (If its still in GS1)
2. Bug clean-up
3. At least some newer content that can keep the gameplay going a little longer then before.

Otherwise it's as I've said once before "going to end up being like making a frankenstein experiment out of a hot chick, no one wants to really see that and it'd just be better left alone as a memory" Light Paraphrasing.

If anything, it seems you're a little bit too optimistic.
No one can follow onto thinking this way without any logical course of actions and planning.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Does it even matter if the revival is successful? It's not like there is intentions to become the top server, but simply for learning and developmental purposes.

There's nothing stopping an able person from learning on an entirely new server, if anything you learn more doing it the hard way and then going back until you perfect it, than experimenting with existing work. Classic could also be classed as a revival, however in developing it from scratch, we've ended up with systems that allow us to implement updates much faster than could be expected as a result of reworking the old systems.