Lifetime Classic - Page 19

Tyhm · #**271** 10-11-2006, 06:48 AM

so let's polish and post. What should the priorities be prior to posting the ads? Website, content, frontends? How thoroughly should we update the site? How much content should we make, in what direction, and by whom? Is skinnable clients enough, or should Graal give/host each PW their own homepage?

Googi · #**272** 10-11-2006, 07:00 AM

Graal is being advertised on Google ads.

Devil · #**273** 10-11-2006, 07:03 AM

Yeah that's good if that happened, but think about it, neither of them know how to market Graal in other countries.. they need to do something about that first, and find some other people.

konidias · #**274** 10-11-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

so let's polish and post. What should the priorities be prior to posting the ads? Website, content, frontends? How thoroughly should we update the site? How much content should we make, in what direction, and by whom? Is skinnable clients enough, or should Graal give/host each PW their own homepage?

Fixing up the website. Getting rid of VIP and making the upgrade page simpler + fixing some info on that page in particular. Getting active contests and things going on the website so newcomers see lots of activity. A written and video tutorial of how to get started with: getting an account and playing the game, developing in the game, starting your own playerworld.

There needs to be a new gold server planned and a team organized and starting work on it. Possibly make some of the higher quality under development playerworld plan to go Gold instead of Classic. As for the all new gold server... updates should be made on the site frequently when new things are made for it. (like during it's development)

I think it would be much better if the news was once again being posted actively and by different servers. (with someone approving the content of the news posts)

Once that is all set, I think a more inviting/professional login screen and lobby for the game would be great.

It would also be nice to be able to access flags from a graal server and display that data on websites. (I think someone did this I'm not sure how though? Maybe make an example of this if it's already possible?) That way people could have forum sigs that showed their stats for a certain server... or like what their player currently looked like or who knows what... (though I think that would consume more bandwidth)

There should be a page on the website that compiles EVERYTHING a Gold account has to offer including listing the current classic and gold servers with brief descriptions for each.

It's a start...

Devil · #**275** 10-11-2006, 07:40 AM

I really would like to see more gold servers from other players, personally I've never played Zone, I logged on and had no interest whatsoever, and I also do not like GK.. another no interest server for me personally. A bigger range of gold servers would definately make me upgrade to Gold again.

smirt362 · #**276** 10-11-2006, 07:52 AM

I dont like the graphical style of either of the gold servers...I've even played both for a couple of days and I didnt think it was anything special :/

Spark910 · #**277** 10-11-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by konidias

There should be a page on the website that compiles EVERYTHING a Gold account has to offer including listing the current classic and gold servers with brief descriptions for each.

It's a start...

A 'quicksite' like Fairyland has:
http://www.fairyland-europe.com/

but for Graal! There was one made by Amon-Ra but Stephane didn't like it so much, and perhaps it was a bit graphical anyway and not that fitting. But such a website would be great for new players who don't need to see all the news and other links just yet (but they should also be somewhere, but less obvious).

Devil · #**278** 10-11-2006, 10:19 AM

That's exactly my point, nothing AT ALL appeals to me, I'm not saying they are crap.. but you have to give something to paying customers who want to play an enjoyable server.

WanDaMan · #**279** 10-11-2006, 06:50 PM

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=67792

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeee.

I believe it hasn't been fixed yet either.

Raelyn · #**280** 10-11-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by unixmad

I am reopening a discussion that has been started on another thread, i didn't want to speak about it because i wanted everyone to stay on topic, but i am not against discussing it.

That's not really my cup of tea to be always seen as the bad guy for trying to find way to get some money from our work but we are a company and not a non for profit organization and if I don’t want our company to go bankrupt like hundred of other online game company, I need to make choices, that’s basically what I tried to explain.

Cyberjoueurs spend a lot of time and money to add new features and technologies to the graalonline engine and a good amount of the players (classics one) get all these for free and don’t pay any more, even worst when they don’t play the game any more they give the account to a trial friend.

You can still argument that classic players have paid, what is true but they have paid for a software version X.X and not for all forthcoming version, no companies make new version for free, they make patch and bug fix free but not new version.

The idea with lifetime was to let player play even if the subscription was over. This is not something any other game services are providing like we are, most other game services are restricting functionalities, items or area when your subscription is over.

Ask yourselves if it is profitable for us when someone buy a 29$ subscription and play for years with no new subscription. I have already made calculation and if I add computer costs, datacenter costs, bandwidth, human costs… We are loosing money.

Also we have made the choice to always give our latest technology to playerworld, that means our gold services have no technology advantage to push classic player to take a new subscription.

We have introduced a few year ago vip subscription thinking that classic player (for most of them playing 20 hours a month) our services will accept to pay 2USD a month to get all services and more but only a few % of classic player are using vip.

So what is the solution? Is it to focus on a new game and close the old one when the new one is ready? Watch other online game company, 95% are doing it and they don’t care you have paid most of the time hundred of USD in subscription and spent hundred of hours playing a persistent game that will not exist any more.

So Cyberjoueurs have to find solutions to attract more players (and I am working on it very actively) but also find solution to not loose endlessly money with long time customers.

I'd like to say that I agree with you entirely, however, I have never been one to abuse my lifetime classic. I have 5 accounts with lifetime classic that I never use, and I have never given to trial members, and I keep my Raelyn account renewed with Gold and usually VIP as well, not to mention I pay for server hosting for Aetherforge. I fully support Graal in idealisms and financially and any of those arguing that lifetime classic should be brought back should be ashamed of yourselves.

If you love graal enough to be reading and participating in the forums and have been playing for a long time, you should support graal's financial choices.

I challenge you to find a MMORPG engine as useful or as cheap as the graal engine. Not only does it offer an online gaming service at a fraction of the cost of other MMORPGs, you are also given all the tools to create your own content.. FOR FREE.

Seriously, for all Unix and Stefan give to us, you should be ashamed for not wanting to give back.

Damix2 · #**281** 10-11-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

A 'quicksite' like Fairyland has:
http://www.fairyland-europe.com/

but for Graal! There was one made by Amon-Ra but Stephane didn't like it so much, and perhaps it was a bit graphical anyway and not that fitting. But such a website would be great for new players who don't need to see all the news and other links just yet (but they should also be somewhere, but less obvious).

What about your 'new' graal site?

Mykel · #**282** 10-11-2006, 08:57 PM

Use google advertisements on the forums. ^_^

Raelyn · #**283** 10-11-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by smirt362

I dont like the graphical style of either of the gold servers...I've even played both for a couple of days and I didnt think it was anything special :/

I like GK because I played NetHack and Crossfire for years before I played graal, and even though I don't like the idea of Stefan stealing his design for GK from another (open source) MMORPG, I do appreciate the similarity in gameplay, and I enjoy playing there.

I'll still pwn you all with my level 112 Gnome Devotee on crossfire.metalforge.

Ixalovh for the win.

Infernix · #**284** 10-11-2006, 09:03 PM

I as well dislike the way GK look art wise. Looks like plastic everywhere.

Tyhm · #**285** 10-11-2006, 10:16 PM

Koni, I think we've got the plan. WE JUST NEED TO GET STEFAN AND/OR UNIXMAD TO READ THIS FORUM SO WE CAN GET GOING WITH IT ALREADY...
(Seriously guys, I know there's a lot posted but we'll summarize it for you if you want. I'm already on board for the projects - lobby, new gold server, global quest...apologies to Ibonic for not seeing him there,

; )

9 ideas on How to save Graal:
Update the Website
Stop selling Lifetime Classic
End Corruption
Sell Expansion Packs
Let the PWs sell the client as Their Game
Make a home for Newbies
Rebuild the Global Community
Make a Gold World that'll draw in new traffic
Advertise

More to follow, I'm sure