Suggestion Thread: Let's get down to some specifics.

[BlackSolider]

@ frag

They just made changes where nicknames no longer appear under bushes, so in essence thats 'low tech' stealth npcs.

We don't have guild wars right now, so a chat spy would be sort of pointless at this time. Not bad though.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

GCs need to know how to use unpopular events to their advantage. 90% of the time when I host the event is not popular, but everything still clicks.

It is not the deal with GC's hosting a variety of events. In fact, all of them try to. You seem to think everything is possible with a "right GC" despite the several externalities.

You have your head too far up your you know what.


Also, tickets are not 99 percent of the problem. **** I wont even say it's more than half of the problem with events right now. As Gladius has said, the toggable HD's is one, and our lack of new events is well another but nobody seems to agree.

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

It is not the deal with GC's hosting a variety of events. In fact, all of them try to. You seem to think everything is possible with a "right GC" despite the several externalities.

You have your head too far up your you know what.

You say they "try to" but state hosting a variety of events isn't a problem, in that case why are they "trying" they should be "doing". I've already demonstrated it's possible tons of times, how is my head too far up my *blank*?

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

You say they "try to" but state hosting a variety of events isn't a problem, in that case why are they "trying" they should be "doing". I've already demonstrated it's possible tons of times, how is my head too far up my *blank*?

When I have said trying to, that meant an attempt. Most weren't successful because people simply don't enjoy events like those anymore, or people just don't have patience anymore when they are introduced to other servers with a much more flexible events system. You're just someone like Tatsumi who believes everything in the world can be done with a "proper GC" when that isn't the case at all.You failed at hosting old events or your quick mock-up events so I have no clue where you are getting at.

Gladius, I do realize there are constantly new additions to events. However, I also pointed out that renovations of events doesn't necessarily count as a new event. I have yet to see Clel release his events or even post on the GC boards of new events he released. Our event system right now is plain and boring, though that's what everyone wants it to be to remain "Classic".

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

When I have said trying to, that meant an attempt.

I took it as attempt but fail, moreover how are they attempting but failing to host a variety of events when variety of events ain't a problem.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Most weren't successful because people simply don't enjoy events like those anymore, or people just don't have patience anymore when they are introduced to other servers with a much more flexible events system.

Yeah that does play a factor, I'll let you have that, but that shouldn't skewer you out of hosting a variety of events.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

You're just someone like Tatsumi who believes everything in the world can be done with a "proper GC" when that isn't the case at all.You failed at hosting old events or your quick mock-up events so I have no clue where you are getting at.

That's not what I think, but since I "seem to think" it or whatever I'll let it go. On the other hand my old-school events and mock-up events worked pretty well. They surely failed in your eyes though, which is fine, everyone has rights to their opinion.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Gladius, I do realize there are constantly new additions to events. However, I also pointed out that renovations of events doesn't necessarily count as a new event. I have yet to see Clel release his events or even post on the GC boards of new events he released. Our event system right now is plain and boring, though that's what everyone wants it to be to remain "Classic".

From my standpoint you've seen the levels, so I thought you'd just know you can use those levels at your own dismay, or would atleast ask me level names so you could possibly make use of the levels. I'm completely fine with GCs using the levels, and I'll post on the boards that they're released to make them more inviting I guess.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

I took it as attempt but fail, moreover how are they attempting but failing to host a variety of events when variety of events ain't a problem.

I say that because the GC team does try to host a variety of events at times. However, I said hosting a variety isn't the problem because you are saying the current GC's are incapable of hosting those events when they really aren't. The events you may refer to are old, and not up with newer age events in which other servers have already shined upon the graal community.

Yeah that does play a factor, I'll let you have that, but that shouldn't skewer you out of hosting a variety of events.

Those are reasons as to why players don't join your idea of a "variety of events".

[quoteThat's not what I think, but since I "seem to think" it or whatever I'll let it go. On the other hand my old-school events and mock-up events worked pretty well. They surely failed in your eyes though, which is fine, everyone has rights to their opinion.[/quote]
I'm not sure about old school events but I usually don't see player participation high in any events, including yours. You can't call a 2-4 player participated old event a successful one.

What I am getting at is that you shouldn't down the current GC team because it partly isn't their fault for why players dont participate. The curriculum of events is getting old and boring on Classic, and players don't see need to play while there are other servers which offer more aesthetics in their events.

[BlackSolider]

@ mystic.

I think the events we have are solid enough (hell they've worked for 4 years) and slowly a few are added. Most don't get hosted enough to be "old" or "worn out" (obviously a few do.)

Rufus, and a few others, have talked about remaking several of our events. I think he was fixing up fortbuilder (new blocks), but I don't know what became of that project.

Clel has recently added his events with a larger access room as well, so we do have some new events. I made levels recently for 3 of my events, and was working on another. DC, rufus, jade, and myself each contributed to the KoM large event. So it's not like new events aren't being made now adays. True, we could use some more, but then again, if people aren't joining events (or logging on at all,) no amount of new events will help.

I see what you're saying though. Requests usually range from: ctf, fortbuilder, sumo, pictionary, babord lms, allstar. Not a very long list. Perhaps some new events could throw some fun back into classic, rather than "same old events day after day".

[fragman85]

Era does get as much new events as Classic.

And yet everybody plays Events, why is that?

[Cetellic]

Era has tons of content aside from events, so players can get settled in. As a GC LAT though I'm stuck to events, I can't make content for players outside of events else I would be.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

Era has tons of content aside from events, so players can get settled in. As a GC LAT though I'm stuck to events, I can't make content for players outside of events else I would be.

Apply for (or move to) dev then?

[Cetellic]

LAT was the job I really wanted, I applied for LAT numerous times before I became GC. And I applied to LAT twice after being GC. After that I just assumed I'd never get it, (I barely even got hired on GC from my understanding).

I did get testing rights on xiahou, which have been upgraded a bit, and I am GC LAT now though a sloppy scripter, so I don't think I'd be becoming a dev anytime soon and will make the best out of what I got.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

LAT was the job I really wanted, I applied for LAT numerous times before I became GC. And I applied to LAT twice after being GC. After that I just assumed I'd never get it, (I barely even got hired on GC from my understanding).

I did get testing rights on xiahou, which have been upgraded a bit, and I am GC LAT now though a sloppy scripter, so I don't think I'd be becoming a dev anytime soon and will make the best out of what I got.

if you want to be a dev ask thoror wd , sloppy scripter , but event are fun lol

[MysticX2X]

I meant other servers have more functional events than Classic development wise to make them look better.

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I attempted a "Make Your Spar" a few days ago and only had 1 person wanting to play (Despite 8-10 ventrues doing their monthly spar tournament. Prolly bad timing). I host musical chairs once in a while to get out of the trend, but then again, that event is really boring if pk isn't on. Maybe it's not in my overall trend to host the unpopular events, but then again, they have reason to be unpopular.

Yeah if they're doing their monthly you expect them to play, you gotta be smart about it if you want to get anywhere.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

No one simply finds enjoyment from altercations of current events, nor is that innovative, nor do people find the patience for an original event with extensive customary rules.

I get players, I finish events, and mine are altercations-innotive-and sometimes have extensive customary rules... so where are you at?

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Well, not in the sense of limited player events. I was specifically referring to events such as spar tournies, or LMS' of all kinds. A 4 player event on a 30+ server just makes player participation sad, and yet there are so many wanting to apply for GC .

I've seen Drunken Stupor hosted on a 45 playercount, must've been a pretty BIG mistake, I'm pretty sure that GC got a good talking to by Night over that major crisis!

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

And Drunken Stupor doesn't require a 4 playercount cap. It can go up to 6+ players if there is demand.

Standard Drunken Stupor is four max, take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

But Night doesn't provide up to date resources.

It doesnt take up to date resources so no johns.

Seriously this isn't even worth it - yeah that's right, I'm about to start making complaints that this isn't challenging enough, if you're not going to be level headed about it atleast put up a fight, otherwise I don't see the point.

[BlackSolider]

Both of you shush. GCs are free to host what they want, how they want to. If a GC wants to host an "off-brand" event (different than an event out of the main circle) when he has a right to, though he shouldn't expect the amount of players to be all that great (not saying it can't be.)

If a GC doesn't want to host "off-brand" events that much, he doesn't have to. Should a GC try and switch it up? Definitely. GCs need to find a balance between "main stream" (ctf, fortbuilder, sumo,etc.,) "outside the main circle" (infection, horse race, pk fest, etc.,) and "off-brand" (bush wars, predator and prey, kill the GC, etc.) Obviously the majority of players are going to join "main stream" events more consistently than "off-brand", but a GC has every right to try and host them nonetheless.

Oh and ps: hosting a 4 player event (drunken stupor) on a 45 playercount is disgusting. People barely have a reason to log on right now, and even less of a reason to join events. Try and host events that get as many people as possible who want to play. With that being said, don't try to force events that need X number on a shaky playercount. Currently I find that many events I have to wait for 5 minutes or so to fill the final spot. What happened to the good old days when you'd get 12 pms for a 8 man spar tournament