A.I.M Chat about Graal Forums - Page 11

protagonist · #**151** 01-09-2004, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by superb
"Overkill" is not a valid reason to close a thread. You guys just got tired of us making you look bad. No matter though. I just hope you guys start doing your job correctly.

How do you make someone look bad? By attacking them. What is another word for attacking? Flaming. What is against the rules? Flaming.

marcoR · #**152** 01-09-2004, 08:43 PM

where do we get bananas? the jungle, what's another word for the jungle? a wild place. what's another word for a wild place? a berlesque house. you're underage. against the law.

protagonist · #**153** 01-09-2004, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by marcoR
where do we get bananas? the jungle, what's another word for the jungle? a wild place. what's another word for a wild place? a berlesque house. you're underage. against the law.

That is too full of holes, it'd be impossible to list them all.

marcoR · #**154** 01-09-2004, 08:45 PM

I just thought your point was very.. broad.

protagonist · #**155** 01-09-2004, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by marcoR
I just thought your point was very.. broad.

Being attacked is generally seen as a bad thing, whereas wild places can be fun or scary or whatever.

marcoR · #**156** 01-09-2004, 08:48 PM

Some people like being attacked.. like gladiators =o

superb · #**157** 01-09-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by protagonist

How do you make someone look bad? By attacking them. What is another word for attacking? Flaming. What is against the rules? Flaming.

Incorrect. The posts I'm referring to were not attacks. Complaint != attack. Arguing with a moderator's response != attack. Making a moderator look bad by adequately refuting their points to an extent where they no longer reply != attack.

Neoreno · #**158** 01-09-2004, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by marcoR
Some people like being attacked.. like gladiators =o

Gladiators were actually slaves/prisoners forced to fight in the arena until they were killed.

marcoR · #**159** 01-09-2004, 09:01 PM

Some of them did it for a living, and actually gained great political power there in, actually.

D1ce2 · #**160** 01-09-2004, 09:07 PM

Looks like unix was right about the forums

superb · #**161** 01-09-2004, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by D1ce2
Looks like unix was right about the forums

How so?

Hevaricubed · #**162** 01-10-2004, 12:46 AM

I used to be administrator of a very popular forum. I wasnt too active in the beginning, but i could sense a graal like obession among some people. Things were getting out of hand so i appointed a supermoderator, ("peace~angel" was her name, why yes, what a coinkydink) she was a lawyer from california, and due to the utter ilegality of what my board advertised, i thought it would be a good idea to have her on the team.

Unbeknownst by me, peace~angel was not well liked, but i had seen her break up fights and other things, write FAQs and the most active admin at the time would probably sticky them. However the amount of complaints recieved was almost unbearable, but about a month later things settled down, except for one or two people who continuously spammed about her, but under my lack of judgement they werent banned. Later they too settled down, and everything went back to normal.. or so i thought. One particular user decided to build a trojan flooding network and ddosed the board, just because peace~angel was a supermod and the board suffered several hacks due to our out of date software. When the board came back up i decided to stick it all into admin access only so i could read the threads about peace angel in peace, there were a number of chat logs, and people complaining about her constantly, i checked the logs of the board and some of the threads she moved into the threadbin were relevant and she was just doing it out of spite for the people who posted them. I put the forum under normal mode and removed peace~angel's modship, (untill one of my co-administrators added her back, at which point i went awol and only went back if someone emailed me about a problem). The board however is now down, two new administrators who hosted the IRC channel decided to kill the board and take off, at which point the funder gave up and stopped re-registering the domain name, and stopped paying the hosts.

My point is that there were dire consequences when i ignored problems, it got better for a while then it got MUCH worse. Unixmad needs to stop ignoring problems, and act on them HIMSELF instead of getting somebody else to sort it for him. Unpaid volunteers arent the way to go, there needs to be someone totally impartial to graal, and this forum, otherwise there will ALLWAYs be this complaining crap.

Milkdude99 · #**163** 01-10-2004, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by Hevaricubed
Stuff

In this case I disagree with your assessment, to bring in an outsider who knows nothing about the game also doesn't know any of the problems with it and why sometimes people do what they do, even if it is illegal on the Board. The biggest problem is that most on here will not accept Graal as a Commercial game and still try to treat it as a "Free Game". In my opinion Stephane carried the "free marketing " of Graal on too long because the players got spoiled by it and should have from the very start let all players know that the day would come that it could no longer be free. What Stephane did was nothing more than a good Business move by offering Graal for free for a time to build a player base, then introducing the P2P portion of the marketing strategy.

There is a marketing strategy to this game and a time frame in which they want things to be done now and for the future. Now as to the Forums they are here for the players to discuss issues of the Game and suggestions for the game, this is the main function of the Forums. It is not here for personal flame wars and people who want to complain about every little thing. In order to accomplish a well meaningful Forum it has to have strict rules of conduct or nothing of any value will be gained here. The Forums are here for the community to aid one another with issues of the game as well as game Staff getting things out with regard to the game to the players. Before you complain about the Forums, ask yourself "whom have I tried to help today?" "Am I part of the problem or part of the solution?"

If you concentrate effort more on helping and less on complaining then you may find this Forum taking a change for the better and be a happier place to be on and post. Stephane canâ€™t change the boards; the SuperMods canâ€™t change the Boards only the Community can change the attitude and demeanor of the Forums. So itâ€™s up to you guys and gals of the Graal community to make these Boards better by following the rules even though you may not agree with them but do it anyway for the sake of the community. Itâ€™s fine to want to get something changed but do it in a manner befitting a Game with young mature adults and not spoiled children who just want their way. I have the utmost respect for many of you and others I could have, if they try reasoning instead of rebellion. Think about it.

Lance · #**164** 01-10-2004, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist

How do you make someone look bad? By attacking them. What is another word for attacking? Flaming. What is against the rules? Flaming.

Simply put:

1) She did not say the thread was closed for flaming.

2) Flaming is not inherently a violation of the rules. Why not read them?

konidias · #**165** 01-10-2004, 03:02 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
Opinions arent against the rules, for the millionth time, it is the way you give those opinions.

Oh I see. So how are we to know which way to give our opinions? Oh wait, I know. Because you're going to determine for yourself, whether or not you think our opinion is given in a way that you agree with.