Example of RC rights on a server

[superb]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
I suppose you find that amusing do we?

I certainly did.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

Now how about setting some rules/guidelines for PW Renters.

Like are they allowed to unjail someone that was being abusive in mass messages simply because they think the player can't be unjailed without a NPC script in the jail that releases them? x.x

[Crono]

Originally posted by mhermher


If you pay for a hotel room, do you own it?

When you rent a hotel room, you don't work your ass off, put up with a bunch of idiots, and keep the hotel room UP do you?

[ETD]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend
Now how about setting some rules/guidelines for PW Renters.

Like are they allowed to unjail someone that was being abusive in mass messages simply because they think the player can't be unjailed without a NPC script in the jail that releases them? x.x

In otherwords, can the Renter interfere in the daily operation of the server, like unjail people that the asst. manager had just jailed, and things like that...

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend
Now how about setting some rules/guidelines for PW Renters.

Like are they allowed to unjail someone that was being abusive in mass messages simply because they think the player can't be unjailed without a NPC script in the jail that releases them? x.x

All Graal rules apply to EVERYONE and the PW Rules apply to ALL PWS except Graal ran PWs like GK and the Original Classic server. Unixmad and Stefan govern company run Servers. Now I'm sure if you refer to all the rules in place you can answer that yourself.

Originally posted by ETD

In otherwords, can the Renter interfere in the daily operation of the server, like unjail people that the asst. manager had just jailed, and things like that...

Local management is to govern themselves according to the rules already set by Graal. (Graal and PW rules) internal strife between the payer and his Managers are to be worked out between them. The PWA is not here to settle arguments between local Management unless it gets out of control. If you make it necessary for the PWA to step in and make decisions for you then nobody is happy and is not our desire for us to have to do this.
Before you take Management of a server in the case the payer and the Manager are not one in the same, make sure you can get along with this person and he/she follows Graal rules as you do.

We could go on all night on what if this or that but it all boils down to the same thing. Manage yourselves within Graal rules and don't make it necessary for the PWA to step in. For the case you mentioned and please no more what if's, the payer is breaking Graal rules if the Manager or Admin Jails or bans for a justified reason and he/she decides to release him/her just because they want to. This is a valid complaint and needs to be brought to the attention to the PWA. Payers and All Staff have to follow the same rules, just because they are the payer doesn't mean he/she can ignore Graal rules and they are ways we can deal with Managers and payers alike if it comes to that. This is extreme and hopefully things like this won't happen but if they do we are prepared to deal with it.


Note:
Sorry PrinceDark I was in the middle of extending my post when you posted but I hope this answers your question. We have already once had to take exteme measures with a very abusive Payer and it is not something we relish doing.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
All Graal rules apply to EVERYONE and the PW Rules apply to ALL PWS except Graal ran PWs like GK and the Original Classic server. Unixmad and Stefan govern company run Servers. Now I'm sure if you refer to all the rules in place you can answer that yourself.

The answer is obvious. Unfortunately there are some that will do foolish things just because they don't like a certain staff member. This case being a good example.
I'm glad the rules apply to everyone. Hopefully nothing like this occurs again.

[ETD]

ok, I wasn't sure where to ask this question, so I thought I would post it here, and wait for Spark to reply

since I think it's an important question that others might have wondered as well.

In the case that a PW has a renter, as well as a manager, what happens if/when the playerworld goes public? Since public PW's no longer have to pay, since they were paid for once when they went private, there is no need for the PW renter... does the renter become a second manager? or does the renter lose all his power, since there is no money issue involved now...

I just wanted to know this, since it seems like an awkward possition which will eventually come about... and it might be good to just state what will happen in that case now, instead of trying to figure it out when the time comes.

[dlang]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
I suppose you find that amusing do we?

Yes actually...

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by ETD

In the case that a PW has a renter, as well as a manager, what happens if/when the playerworld goes public? Since public PW's no longer have to pay, since they were paid for once when they went private, there is no need for the PW renter... does the renter become a second manager? or does the renter lose all his power, since there is no money issue involved now...

Nothing, you cannot remove or fire the payer nor demote them; they are in it for the duration of the life of Playerworld. They are and always will be a lv4 RC on the Playerworld, so you may want to think about this before you decide to let someone other than yourself be the payer. Whether they take an active role at any time on the server is best decided beforehand and not afterward because when push comes to shove the "payer" wins out over any Manager.

Only the PWA can remove a payer and like I said before this is an extreme case and would only be a last resort. Just because you may go to the Classic tab and are temporarily not paying and see I said temporarily not paying doesn't mean you can just discard them like a used up old paper towel. Payers have the power on the PW because they after all have shelled out money for it. Payers can remove Managers but Managers cannot remove payers at any time. You can wait for a response from Spark but you really won't hear anything different from him, so it's up to you.

[MysticHaste]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend
Was this really necessary?

Isn't there already a post that explains the whole deal with what rights should be given?

Lol, Well yeah it was.

If you want to give LVL4 to 8 people, just have 8 Admins, or something.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by MysticHaste


Lol, Well yeah it was.

If you want to give LVL4 to 8 people, just have 8 Admins, or something.

huh? Did you even read the rules??
lol

[Radiotoad]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
I suppose you find that amusing do we?

burn...

[ETD]

I don't understand the point of having a payer, as well as a manager... (when the server is public)

1. is Zone paying now, since they are private?
2. did any public PW's let someone, other than the manager pay for keeping them up? if so, the person who paid should be incharge, right?

Such as, MG, did you pay for n-pulse? If you did, then that would make you the payer, and so you would get a level4 RC on n-pulse, and be incharge over Ducati, and DS....

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Nothing, you cannot remove or fire the payer nor demote them; they are in it for the duration of the life of Playerworld. They are and always will be a lv4 RC on the Playerworld

[R0bin]

Wasnt Geovannie the original owner of npulse?

[ETD]

Originally posted by R0bin
Wasnt Geovannie the original owner of npulse?

not the payer...

MG was the one to pay to keep it online last year (I'm assuming so... not 100% sure) and so if he was the payer, then that would mean he would still be incharge over Ducati, and DS.... (the current managers)