Graal 2k2: Racism? - Page 2

Juron Pilo · #1 05-31-2002, 07:50 PM

the word comes from something that you can not quite call a game... Furcadia... and due to the fact its mostly the habitat of sick minded people now I'm not posting any links

Admins · #2 05-31-2002, 07:51 PM

Arms: You can easily change the palette
Funny heads: If they help for roleplaying they are good, but they should be good quality, fit the character, and not just look dumb.

BeZeRkEr · #3 05-31-2002, 07:54 PM

k stefan
and i think all the heads online now are high quality
and they would fit in better with custom bodies
with the furries they made legs with talls
and arms with paws
and zormite doesn't fit in unless they have customized bodies

Shorty2Dope · #4 05-31-2002, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by LOA--Paul
I thought 2k2 was supposed to be RP like Classic was ORIGINALLY until ppl uploaded OMG ALIEN HEADS AND UGLY ANIMAL CAT ONES AND SARTED TLAKINGDGD LIKE TISH AND TINKING THEY WAZ L33T

Yup. Like I want to come on g2k2 and see a bunch of *****s with fish heads and fox heads. I don't even see RPing. 2k2 is just like 2k1.

Shorty2Dope · #5 05-31-2002, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Spanko
The original post of this thread made me laugh quite loudly. Though it is the case that it could be said that Mr. Glub Glub has a good point, it's also vaguely discriminative that all female bodies wear dresses. (For as far as I'm aware anyway, I haven't actually checked it out myself but I've yet to see an apparent girl walk by without wearing a dress)

Back then women only wore dresses unless they were trying to pass as someone else or it was really needed.

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Originally posted by BeZeRkEr
k stefan
and i think all the heads online now are high quality
and they would fit in better with custom bodies
with the furries they made legs with talls
and arms with paws
and zormite doesn't fit in unless they have customized bodies

I guess I can see the furrie thing, if they actually made bodies and all and only certain people used it, not everyone. (like they had some spell put on them) I also don't like the fact people can change there heads and bodies. Make them choose only once when they first go on the server.

Metal-Slug · #6 05-31-2002, 08:37 PM

uhm stefan, not to be underminitive, but there are no goofy heads on the server. thts why i wont let toran's head or kaizer's head on the server, they are goofy.

Shorty2Dope · #7 05-31-2002, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Metal-Slug
uhm stefan, not to be underminitive, but there are no goofy heads on the server. thts why i wont let toran's head or kaizer's head on the server, they are goofy.

7, 8, 11 to name a few.

freddyfox · #8 05-31-2002, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope
11

Crap, man, cut me some slack. You can't stretch the nose out with the boundaries.

Shorty2Dope · #9 05-31-2002, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

Crap, man, cut me some slack. You can't stretch the nose out with the boundaries.

It is 'silly' and does not fit into 2k2 at all. The server is not going to be RPing. Just 2k2 with better graphics.

I am not upgrading my account, it is not even worth it anymore. I will stick to 'classic' servers and play/create maps in Dungeon Siege.

freddyfox · #10 05-31-2002, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

It is 'silly' and does not fit into 2k2 at all. The server is not going to be RPing. Just 2k2 with better graphics.

Neither do the seed trees. I haven't seen you whine about those, though.

toad1413 · #11 05-31-2002, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Metal-Slug
uhm stefan, not to be underminitive, but there are no goofy heads on the server. thts why i wont let toran's head or kaizer's head on the server, they are goofy.

Toran's head = GREEN ZORMITE HEAD. Not goofy.

Shorty2Dope · #12 05-31-2002, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

Neither do the seed trees. I haven't seen you whine about those, though.

Seed trees? The ones you cut for boards?

freddyfox · #13 05-31-2002, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

Seed trees? The ones you cut for boards?

Yes, those would be the ones.

Shorty2Dope · #14 05-31-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

Yes, those would be the ones.

I don't see whats wrong with them, they are a bit brighter and bigger, they stick out more so dumb kids know which trees to cut and which ones to not waist 1 hr of choping on.

freddyfox · #15 05-31-2002, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

I don't see whats wrong with them, they are a bit brighter and bigger, they stick out more so dumb kids know which trees to cut and which ones to not waist 1 hr of choping on.

Because they look way too cartoony compared to the other trees.

Yet you complain more about a ratman head then you do a tree that doesn't fit with the enviroment?...

Shorty2Dope · #16 05-31-2002, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

Because they look way too cartoony compared to the other trees.

Yet you complain more about a ratman head then you do a tree that doesn't fit with the enviroment?...

It don't look like a rat and like I said before I wouldn't mind those heads if only YOU had it and used it in RPing the correct way. but when a million people run around with stupid animal heads it just reminds me of the rest of the graal servers, crap.

freddyfox · #17 05-31-2002, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

It don't look like a rat and like I said before I wouldn't mind those heads if only YOU had it and used it in RPing the correct way. but when a million people run around with stupid animal heads it just reminds me of the rest of the graal servers, crap.

I know, I know, I'm working on it. Like I said, I can't stretch out the nose or else it'll break the head boundaries.

And I can't have a personal private head, or everyone else would want a personal private head. It would be fantastic but it just doesn't work out.

Shorty2Dope · #18 05-31-2002, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

And I can't have a personal private head, or everyone else would want a personal private head. It would be fantastic but it just doesn't work out.

Then it shouldn't be there, its bad enough already that NO ONE RPs on a RPing server.

freddyfox · #19 05-31-2002, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

Then it shouldn't be there, its bad enough already that NO ONE RPs on a RPing server.

On an alpha server.

Alpha.

This is not the final shbang. People will roleplay when the kingdom isles come out. Not now when it's a TEST island.

Amagius · #20 05-31-2002, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Loriel
Uuuh no. Graal2002 is kindof set in european medieval time, France or England with castles and stuff. Back then, it didn't have black people. I guess those medieevalish people didn't even know about blackness.

I'm not even going to start.

Shorty2Dope · #21 05-31-2002, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

On an alpha server.

Alpha.

This is not the final shbang. People will roleplay when the kingdom isles come out. Not now when it's a TEST island.

They wont rp, look at the way they act now.. its worse then classic.

Gambit2099 · #22 05-31-2002, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Loriel
Uuuh no. Graal2002 is kindof set in european medieval time, France or England with castles and stuff. Back then, it didn't have black people. I guess those medieevalish people didn't even know about blackness.

What the hell are you talking about? Don't post **** you don't know about because you are SO wrong. How was Alexander Dumas born then...? I could name more, but I'd have to look them up and name the right places, PM me if you really want to learn about black people. Otherwise your just being ignorant in that post.

1) I just watched a show on the Discovery channel that said black people left Africa and traveled the world for centuries, changing as time past.

2) Black people were in Europe, France, and England and still friggin are. If you don't believe me read up on it. Don't post bullshit like that without REAL facts. Try playing Asheron's Call, there are alot of players of ALL races including black players.

3) All ethnicities should be able to play the game comfortably that's why I never brought up race in this game, because half of the people who play ARE racist and some just aren't educated enough on the issue of other races and say some pretty ignorant things.

4) Stefan please do not remove the heads that aren't human, no everyone wants to play a human DUE to RACE. I've played a blue half-ling for years now and that's how I would like to continue playing. That's the point of the game it isn't real, trying to add realism to this game will make it boring as hell.

Example: Cooking is a real skill, but so is waiting 2 hours for that perfect meal to cook. Who the hell would want to wait 2 hours on a game to cook a fake meal? That's why realism doesn't always work in games. It never works out and that's why alot of people are complaining.

I'm so sick of this topic now, I saw way more crap than I thought I would see from some people. Please re-think your posts on race before you post them. Anything posted that can be considered racist on a paid game can lead to some undesireable situations, you never know who is reading these threads.

TrueHeaT · #23 05-31-2002, 10:51 PM

Even if "black"people weren't in europe back then, it makes no difference since Graal is obviously NOT based off medieval europe. I agree some other colors of skin should be added. We don't need as many as the white skin because it's a plain fact that there are hardly any "minorities" that play Graal compared to us pasty white nerds.

konidias · #24 05-31-2002, 11:07 PM

Head khead7.png looks like darth maul and it has horns and everything... no one is complaining about that one though...

The main Graal servers have never really had a clear picture to paint. For example, some people say it's set in midieval times, then some people say it's not really set in any time. Then some people say Graal isn't supposed to be like real life, yet others say it's fantasy and should have animal people and everything else.

It has never really been made clear as to what Graal's main servers actually are. 2k1 and classic have all sorts of heads that don't fit midieval times, or real life. 2k2 is slowly approaching that same direction.

I know I complain a lot (or at least some of you think I do) but you shouldn't complain about something as mediocre as not being able to have your "furry animal head guy" on 2k2. After all, so many people wanted 2k2 to be a big RPing server, yet some of the same people want silly stuff added to it that doesn't really conform to anything currently on the server.

You know, I think Zormites would be awesome if they were just normal people with aquatic gear/clothing and tealgreen facepaint, like a tribe of aquatic warriors or something. Of course I know a lot of Zormites would have my head for saying that, but it's just an idea. I mean just because they live in/near water doesn't mean they have to be fish people. Just like the forest guild doesn't have to be monkey people or something.

Besides, the Zormites remind me way too much of the Zora's from Zelda.

About the racism thing.. it's a game.. it isn't life. If all the people were green aliens, would you say it's racist that they don't have black aliens? I mean, there isn't a black mario bros, or a black legend of zelda. It's not like they are being racist when making videogames.. they are just using common sense. You aren't going to see two black italian plumbers saying "Itsa me! Mario!" or a black elf fighting off monsters in a midieval time setting.

If you want different skin colors, there will be skin colors on Oasis, and enough of them to match your own natural color if you want. :P It's not set in midieval times, it's just a fantasy world with a fantasy time period. There might not be cars and televisions, but the skin colors won't matter.

Shorty2Dope · #25 05-31-2002, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
Head khead7.png looks like darth maul and it has horns and everything... no one is complaining about that one though...

I am complaining.. its a nice head and all but it doesn't belong, and I agree with everyhting else you said.

Gambit2099 · #26 05-31-2002, 11:29 PM

People should also be allowed to play comfortably in a MULTI-player game. This isn't a solo game where you are put in the role of Mario. This is a role-playing game that you can invent your OWN character and be who you want to be. If someone wants to roleplay a half-fish...why can't they? If have the server wants to be half-fish...why does that bother you?

If the real world was composed of 80 half-fish men, 30 half-rat men, and 3 humans, would you tell them all to become full humans because you don't like the fact that they aren't like you? One person alone isn't supposed to be able to shape a role-playing world, if you try to do that the game will fail. You can't take away each gamers right to role-play the way they want to or everyone will be the same and play the way someone else wants them to play. Almost every "class" on the game is the same thing. Pirate, Dustari, Samurai...the only difference is the costume. Wow...are they really classes then? I support Zormites, and there should be other races like Elvines, and Orcs.

I'm confused seriously, if this is a fantasy game then why aren't these heads allowed? If this is a reality based game then it's already screwed because no one has eyes that are totally blue or green...and sorta glow? ...Crafting in reality takes alot more work, and in reality you have to do more than run slowly up hills to make weapons. So I seriously doubt that every little detail of reality is going to be added to this game.

If it's fantasy than everyone should be able to have heads and bodies that fit the way THEY want to play their OWN characters. If you tell them how to play then it isn't their character, but some clone of your own character. In fact Graal is starting to remind me of RO(******ok Online) more and more everyday...which will result in the end of graal.

konidias · #27 05-31-2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Gambit2099
People should also be allowed to play comfortably in a MULTI-player game. This isn't a solo game where you are put in the role of Mario. This is a role-playing game that you can invent your OWN character and be who you want to be. If someone wants to roleplay a half-fish...why can't they? If have the server wants to be half-fish...why does that bother you?

Because it doesn't fit into 2k2? Okay then, I want to roleplay as a big dinosaur guy with laser eyes and I can eat rocks and spit them at people. Is that okay for 2k2? I mean seriously, you're blowing this out of proportion. Sure you can roleplay, but if everyone got their way, 2k2 would be a big circus. You have to have limits somewhere.

I don't think the people that are fine with not having these skin colors and animal people are racist, I think the people that are complaining that they have to be white are racist.

"OMG I DONT WANNA BE A WHITE GUY I WANNA BE BLACK!" what does that sound like? NOT racist?

Shorty2Dope · #28 05-31-2002, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by Gambit2099
People should also be allowed to play comfortably in a MULTI-player game. This isn't a solo game where you are put in the role of Mario. This is a role-playing game that you can invent your OWN character and be who you want to be. If someone wants to roleplay a half-fish...why can't they? If have the server wants to be half-fish...why does that bother you?

If the real world was composed of 80 half-fish men, 30 half-rat men, and 3 humans, would you tell them all to become full humans because you don't like the fact that they aren't like you? One person alone isn't supposed to be able to shape a role-playing world, if you try to do that the game will fail. You can't take away each gamers right to role-play the way they want to or everyone will be the same and play the way someone else wants them to play. Almost every "class" on the game is the same thing. Pirate, Dustari, Samurai...the only difference is the costume. Wow...are they really classes then? I support Zormites, and there should be other races like Elvines, and Orcs.

I'm confused seriously, if this is a fantasy game then why aren't these heads allowed? If this is a reality based game then it's already screwed because no one has eyes that are totally blue or green...and sorta glow? ...Crafting in reality takes alot more work, and in reality you have to do more than run slowly up hills to make weapons. So I seriously doubt that every little detail of reality is going to be added to this game.

If it's fantasy than everyone should be able to have heads and bodies that fit the way THEY want to play their OWN characters. If you tell them how to play then it isn't their character, but some clone of your own character. In fact Graal is starting to remind me of RO(******ok Online) more and more everyday...which will result in the end of graal.

It helps the RPing mood and not just a bunch of immature 12 year olds acting like *******s with fish heads. Like I said, I wont complain, this is not my game, if i dont like something I can give my opinion on how it can be fixed, if thats as far as it goes I find another game. I will go play more Dungeon Siege then waste my time on this game with a bunch of ******* kids ruining all the fun.
2k2=RPing
2k1=lame people stupid fun stuff

People need to choose the servers they play on a little better.

Gambit2099 · #29 05-31-2002, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by konidias

Because it doesn't fit into 2k2? Okay then, I want to roleplay as a big dinosaur guy with laser eyes and I can eat rocks and spit them at people. Is that okay for 2k2? I mean seriously, you're blowing this out of proportion. Sure you can roleplay, but if everyone got their way, 2k2 would be a big circus. You have to have limits somewhere.

I don't think the people that are fine with not having these skin colors and animal people are racist, I think the people that are complaining that they have to be white are racist.

"OMG I DONT WANNA BE A WHITE GUY I WANNA BE BLACK!" what does that sound like? NOT racist?

I already said that I thought people saying "OMG I DONT WANNA BE A WHITE GUY I WANNA BE BLACK!" was ignorant in one of my earlier posts.

Of course there has to be some limits on role-playing. Fire breath and all that other crap couldn't be done by a player in the first place.

Ok I'll put this out on the table then, give players private heads, the filenames of heads should be changed when they are downloaded to the heads folder so other people can't use them or something...

I think every head that is submitted other than the skin color ones should have an RP history behind it. If you can make an RP character for your head, then it should be allowed. Like my character is a half-ling, elvens are magic users, so that would explain my magic use(when magic is added to the servers that is). The server has already become totally unrealistic anyway. What person can sword fight, use karate, craft weapons, bake bread, mine, and teach in a school? How does that fit into role-playing? So the server isn't really based on role-playing anyway based on the skills that have been released.

Shorty2Dope · #30 05-31-2002, 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by Gambit2099

I already said that I thought people saying "OMG I DONT WANNA BE A WHITE GUY I WANNA BE BLACK!" was ignorant in one of my earlier posts.

Of course there has to be some limits on role-playing. Fire breath and all that other crap couldn't be done by a player in the first place.

Ok I'll put this out on the table then, give players private heads, the filenames of heads should be changed when they are downloaded to the heads folder so other people can't use them or something...

I think every head that is submitted other than the skin color ones should have an RP history behind it. If you can make an RP character for your head, then it should be allowed. Like my character is a half-ling, elvens are magic users, so that would explain my magic use(when magic is added to the servers that is). The server has already become totally unrealistic anyway. What person can sword fight, use karate, craft weapons, bake bread, mine, and teach in a school? How does that fit into role-playing? So the server isn't really based on role-playing anyway based on the skills that have been released.

I don't mind that, if each person had there own heads and only they can use them. Of course they need to send in a nice rp story along with it and whatever else. If it fits and is good enough then they upload.

Metal-Slug · #31 05-31-2002, 11:51 PM

UGH
please for the love of god, stop fighting over heads :-(

we have a person who has made all the starting bodies have 2 new shades of skin ( african type and hispanic/asian type ). We did not purposely make all the bodies and such white. but it slips our mind, we are not friggin ghandi.

about head7.png, it is an Dark Elven Warrior type, soon there will be a body too it. About Vermain's head, it is stefan's choice, and about the Fox head, also Stefan's choice, and the Zormite head, Stefan/Zormite kingdom's choice, end of discussion.