IS SPIDER THE BSET EVER?

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Originally posted by T-Squad


ROFLOL that would be funny if it was

Uh, that is IceHawk's real pic.

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Originally posted by Huggles
After conclusive research I believe Tybalts sig is a lie!@ thats not his pic! GASP!

Yes it is.

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Originally posted by T-Squad


finnally...someone whos not against me and w-dragoon cause we make good gfx...Huggles, you a good guy :-)

We were not against you for that, we THOUGHT YOU STOLE THEM

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If we do get into a war it'll be the fault of Bush being an idiot.
Anyway, I'm Canadian.

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Originally posted by LilbrojX


hey, wut does I sit vous plaite mean?

"if you please"

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Originally posted by T-Squad


you know what, its no use talking to you...

you are probably a liberal demacrat that supports the MURDER of BABIES, babies who could some day grow up and do great things, and who thinks women actually have a choice when it comes to murder...you make me sick im not responding to you

haha
oh no
not a stupid right-wing christian redneck that doesn't support the choices of women
Oh well, when Bush goes to war started because of his stupidity, think about all the people who will die because of jim, and the great things they could have done

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the general idea behind communism is right in a lot of ways, it just hasn't worked

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Originally posted by T-Squad


are you an idiot? ive got about 98765987346 points to bring up now:

1) why dont they MURDER every kid in a orphange then?
2) that happens because teenage women were to irresponsible with sex and had kids and got scared
3)do you really think the babies dont feel their brain being sucked out, or a needle and scissors being poke through their head?
4)ever heard of partial birth abortions? thats when the baby is just born, and they KILL it right when it comes out of the mother
5)Wars? many people die...people that fight for their country, that know the risk...you ask ANYONE of them if they wouldnt fight and they would rather die then see there families be kill by an invading country
6)how dare you put a value on human life...you think that babies are any less valuable human life then adults?

i could go on forever with this...i doubt you will even listen because you're mind is to corrupted

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it's not like in america you can choose, there's such thing as a draft for wars, blade.
It's not like the baby will be very aware of what's going on, after all, its sight, and other systems aren't even fully developed. It's the woman's choice, besides, the world's severely overpopulated and if EVERYONE had EVERY baby, that would not be good. I mean, look at third world countries like India, they don't abort there, they also don't use birth control, they're hideously overpopulated

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Originally posted by JungleKid


Seems to be working alright in Cuba though.

That's true.

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Originally posted by LilbrojX


your a heartless ass hole, abortion kills a human being, no matter wut you say. the featus just can't cry to express it. you aughta have a needle poked in your head and your brain sucked out *****

Sniffing too much gas and paint can kill a human being too, take that into consideration.

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I like debating politics and stuff.

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Originally posted by T-Squad


you think you can just play God and decide who lives or dies? what makes babies that are only partially developed, then babies that are fully? are you to stupid to comprehend this? life is life no matter what stage of developement its in...do you think people at like 80 years old arent developing? they are gaining knowledge, they are STILL developing...even when they are born, and like 6 years old...they are STILL developing...should parents have the right to kill their child because they are still developing, because they are a pain to take care of? should people kill people without punishment because they are still developing, and are a pain?

Uh, that's LEARNING, not developing. He means developing like, they're not aware of anything. And it's not like anyone is deciding the fate of a baby that isn't theirs.

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Originally posted by JungleKid

let's debate a moment. That woman in New Jersey who had a baby then put it inside a dumpster and killed it. Her parents wouldn't give permission for an abortion. Look what happened. In that case, the baby FELT his lungs collapse because of asphyxiation(sp?). During abortion in the first trimester, the pain nerves of the fetus haven't developed yet. They don't feel pain.

Well, Beowulf just completely proved his point, I don't see how that's argueable.

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Originally posted by Valder
first of all, why are we argung about this???
this is a matter for society to decide not graal

it's called debating

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Originally posted by T-Squad


where do you think i live? texas? ive lived in California, the bay area, the most liberal, pro abortion, pro choice, pro homo state in the United States all my life...im currently living in Idaho, which is FAR from any "redneck" area, and is far from the murderers and evil which lay in california...

So you're calling homosexuality evil too?

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Originally posted by Valder
i know, but this isn't a thread about Abortion
can we please argue about this outside of graal, maybe in the non related forums or something

no.

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Originally posted by T-Squad


and obviously the woman got PUNISHED for her murder, unlike the hundreds of thousands who murder legally because of people like clinton and gore

Hers was a real murder, not just the stopping of the development of a being unable to be aware, unable to think. "I think, therefor I am." A baby that is aborted is not, it's unable to be.

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Originally posted by Valder
in statistics woman that have an abortion and then become pregnent are against abortion after they have done it the first time, because they have to live with the pain of killing their child

That doesn't matter, it's still their choice.

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Originally posted by LilbrojX



yes, homosexuality is evil, it's stated in the Bible (help me out dante). And no matter wut you think, it's wrong. here are a few of my reasons, some simple, some deep, most very true.

1) Two men/women can't make a baby, so they've gotta be doing something wrong, right?
2) it says so in the Bible (like I said)
3) No matter how you look at it, they're sinning. They sleep around with other ***gots like crazy, spreading STD's and crap everywhere. It's a very sinful lifestyle, no matter how you look at it.
4) I now pronounce you man and... man? wtf?

Oh god, so ignorant...
It's wrong to not make children!? That's a horrible thing to say. If EVERYONE made children, you know how much trouble we'd be in?
It says so in the bible. The bible is FICTION. It's just a book. So this book tells us what is right and wrong? This book controls our lives? This book written thousands of years ago contains all that is good and evil? No. It's a book, wake up. That's incredibley ignorant. Saying all homosexuals are deviants that live unhealthy lifestyles is awful. Everyone's a human, man. You might as well say "humans sleep around like crazy, spreading STDs and crap everywhere." STDs are spread by everyone. Sinful? What does sin matter, it's **** written in a book of lies.

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Dante may speak the word of god, but he is not an ignorant man, he is a learned man and a wise man.

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Originally posted by Valder

the homosexality part was probably written by a crazy man that thought all of his opinions were correct

That crazy man (or crazy men) could have, and most likely been the original author(s)

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Argh.
How can you be so sure of what happens to you, when you 'die', and things like that.
Have you ever died?
Is there anything to suggest christian beliefs are what happens when you die?
Any logic in it?
I really don't know what will happen when I die and I don't see how you possibly can.

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Originally posted by Valder
actually the original authors didn't even speak the word of "God"
Jesus was supposedly the son of "God" and if he really truely loved all of god's children, why would he say that Homosexuality was wrong?

Jesus was a jew ;P

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Originally posted by FatherDante


I don't think you should insult him like that either, TrueHeaT. The Bible is important to some people, and you should be sensitive to them.

I'm just sick of these ****ing people acting like they know everything and they're 'englightened' because they believe a book written before record by unknown people with no truth.
I'm sick of these ****ing people acting like they know the secrets to life and death, because they don't. No one does. If anyone does they're smart enough to shut up about it.

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Originally posted by Valder


that is entirly true
and he was black ;P

:D
jesus being black is a happy thought

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Originally posted by Valder


yes i am
i do not beleive the teachings of god because they are almost all untrue
they are stories
how do we even know if jesus was a real person?
how do we know that christianity wasen't just a made up thing to fool us all?
we don't

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Well, actually, you might call me agnostic.

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god this, god that.
What if the person with the child who wants an abortion does not believe in god, then is it wrong?

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The baby being aborted is not aware though.
Has no feeling, does not know he is being killed or that he dies. (err, or she.) they cannot think, therefor they aren't
it's the same thing as the person not getting pregnant

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It cannot think, it has a medula ombolgada which controls most things.

You don't need to justify it. A women does and should have the right to choose.

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well, my parents are pro-choice, and I expect yours aren't. It's the same thing with you, you will never think you're wrong.

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See, you think of it as disgusting murder, I think of it as the choice of having a child or not. You'll never think differently. The only people who have ever influenced my opinion about abortion are my parents, (who basically said it's a woman's right to choose) and myself from experience and learning.

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hahaha...
Who are YOU to judge whether it's wrong or right to have sex before marriage. Marriage is simply a legal document. It does not prove love. How can you say anything is "wrong" with it? How are you the judge of wrong and right in a trivial matter like premarital sex?
Please show me how god has been proven and evolution disproven. Evolution makes sense. For instance, the appendix is getting smaller and smaller on humans, due to it not having a function. Some people are born without them now. Appendixes used to be bigger and stuff. They might have even had a use long ago.

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Originally posted by MoonAngel


Going off topic since i already answered.

Just curious about something, anyone believes in destiny?!

I don't know. I'll make up my mind some other time, I'm still young.

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Sorry but you don't need marriage for love, guy!
I'd really like to see this 'evidence', seriously.

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Please! evidence!

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Originally posted by FatherDante
G_yoshi is an adult and of everyone here he deserves our consideration the most.

Well, first off, more than 50% percent of the world are either Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, or Muslim, which means the majority of the world does worship God. Get your facts straight, Alphaflame.

TrueHeaT, I'm sorry you think marriage means nothing. Believe me, to believe as much is to believe that no relationship means anything.

As for evolution, it's scientific theory. Almost as good as fact. I believe it wholeheartedly.

I don't believe marriage is nothing, I just believe that sex before marriage is not wrong.

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You don't have any right to judge someone for having sex before marriage. They aren't hurting anyone, assuming they use 'protection'.

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Originally posted by Huggles


Problem is when they dont use protection and they do have a baby, Having that baby is there responsibility they should of thought of that before they had sex without protection... Dont you see? They had a choice, and they can still do better things then abortion such as giving it up for adoption.

But in the case that they do get pregnant, they have the choice of abortion or not. Of course you believe that none of them will use protection because they are 'evil sinners'.

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What if they don't even want to put a child up for adoption? I've seen lots of kids who've gone through foster care, none of them have turned out alright! It's their choice! I don't think food from Denny's is alright, but it's not my choice to say no one can eat there.