So?

[Rufus]

Well since you've baited me this far, I will explain what I am aware of. Stefan had the intention of releasing Graal2001 on Classic iPhone as a map that people could play on. I don't think it went very far, even though the content was uploaded onto the server. However, things unique to Graal2001 such as the hats, draisine, railroads, instruments, and areas such as the chair lift and horse race were released on Classic iPhone and bomies were released on Zone iPhone.

Dusty and I started working on Classic iPhone, didn't like how Graal2001's content was being released on the server, and started to pursue something more along the lines of old Classic. Someone outside of the team suggested the idea that Graal2001 and its content should be released as its own iPhone server. Classic iPhone was getting a huge playercount and the talks about splitting the server were around. Stefan liked the idea of linking the two, but having Graal2001 as its own thing, and it was given its own iPhone server. Stefan wanted to convert things and release it straight away, but I wasn't convinced that this would work as he had released all of Graal2001's best content to other servers, and believed it needed something more. Needless to say, it was pursued for about a month before it fizzed out. A few months later Skyld showed interest in taking Graal2001 to iPhone and was told to contact me. I didn't think our visions would match, we didn't really talk about it and nothing came of that. A year or so later the iPhone server was given to a different project.

So no, I am not managing the server nor do I have control over it. The person you need to contact with regards to reviving it is most likely Unixmad. There may be plans to pursue Graal2001 for iPhone in the future, but if there is it is not something I am currently involved in.

[Kamaeru]

Sounds like a whole lot of derp has been going on. I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this iration. Luckily the worst case scenario has been avoided thus far (iPhone Graal2001, does anyone actually want this?). I personally am not a fan of Apple products so I'm gonna have to pass on that idea, we only want Graal2001 to be open and available to PC Graal players as far as my concern extends. The limitations of the iPhone platform would severely handicap the strengths of Graal2001's gameplay to the point where the game might actually be rendered unplayable.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Sound like a whole lot of derp has been going on. I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this iration. Luckily the worst case scenario has been avoided thus far (iPhone Graal2001, does anyone actually want this?). I personally am not a fan of Apple products so I'm gonna have to pass on that idea, we only want Graal2001 to be open and available to PC Graal players as far as my concern extends. The limitations of the iPhone platform would severely handicap the strengths of Graal2001's gameplay to the point where the game might actually be rendered unplayable.

If you are looking for a revival of Graal2001 then iPhone is the only route really.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Rufus

If you are looking for a revival of Graal2001 then iPhone is the only route really.

I will have to respectfully disagree, as I personally do not believe iPhone should remain the indefinite future of Graal if there is to be a future for Graal. Nobody actually wants to play Graal2001 other than Graal2001 players at the moment. Exactly 0% of those Graal2001 players are dying to play it on iPhone. The server could easily be restored to a point where it would be playable for those players who wish to have access, and it would be a great justice to the community of Graal to do something like that instead of a big derpy iPhone revival, which is a terrible idea.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

I will have to respectfully disagree, as I personally do not believe iPhone should remain the indefinite future of Graal if there is to be a future for Graal. Nobody actually wants to play Graal2001 other than Graal2001 players at the moment. Exactly 0% of those Graal2001 players are dying to play it on iPhone. The server could easily be restored to a point where it would be playable for those players who wish to have access, and it would be a great justice to the community of Graal to do something like that instead of a big derpy iPhone revival, which is a terrible idea.

I can't imagine the server maintaining a steady playercount solely based on old Graal2001 players. I guess it depends on what the plan is for PC Graal in general, but a server with no players would have been removed from the serverlist in the past. Though now that iPhone is center of attention for the administration those kind of standards may not hold true anymore.

I still think that in order to revive the server you're going to need to introduce a new playerbase and iPhone, Android, Facebook, whatever is the only viable route towards that. It just makes the server more accessible as opposed to the stagnating PC client which hasn't seen any movement in years. Unless you really are just looking for a 'museum' to log on for nostalgia purposes or something, but like Dusty said, that seems like a waste of real effort.

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Before you guys took my rights away I was actually doing that, yes. I get the feeling you iPhone goons ruined all the work we were doing as well as probably left the server basically a train wreck from the looks of the story I just got out of Rufus.

The 'iPhone project' was housed on a separate server.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Sound like a whole lot of derp has been going on. I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this iration. Luckily the worst case scenario has been avoided thus far (iPhone Graal2001, does anyone actually want this?).

Other than the thousands of daily players contrast to the handful on PC? Nah... no one wants that.

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

I personally am not a fan of Apple products so I'm gonna have to pass on that idea

If only it were also available on Android and Flash as well...

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

we only want Graal2001 to be open and available to PC Graal players as far as my concern extends.

How selfish of you. You can't say you want the best for the server when you exclude the one way to actually get a thriving experience instead of a stagnating one, simply because of your own personal bias.

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

The limitations of the iPhone platform would severely handicap the strengths of Graal2001's gameplay to the point where the game might actually be rendered unplayable.

What limitations would those be?

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Other than the thousands of daily players contrast to the handful on PC? Nah... no one wants that.

Yeah they actually don't. I would argue that nearly 100% of actual real world Graal2001 players are not interested in playing it on anything other than PC.

If only it were also available on Android and Flash as well...

Okay, well everyone already is aware that those are not very adept platforms either. I shouldn't even be explaining this in the year 2016.

How selfish of you. You can't say you want the best for the server when you exclude the one way to actually get a thriving experience instead of a stagnating one, simply because of your own personal bias.

Cool straw man analogy! Here's the part where I shatter your subjective moral high ground. iPhone does not provide any advantage over other leading video game platforms as far as user availability. There are millions of PC gamers who could get access to Graal and become interested via advertising, and it really helps to gain players when a PC game receives actual support. Maybe you should think about the reasons why PC Graal lost so many players, because there are more reasons than personal bias why it's a more viable platform than iPhone or Facebook. Here's an example: why not release Graal on Steam? That's a rhetorical question, because derp!

What limitations would those be?

There are no buttons, and the game apparently isn't optimized enough to draw all of the NPCs on the screen at one time that might appear. Those were two of the glaring inconveniences I experienced in my 2 minute playthrough of Facebook/iPod Classic (which is an atrocity by the way, nice job screwing up royally).

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Yeah they actually don't. I would argue that nearly 100% of actual real world Graal2001 players are not interested in playing it on anything other than PC.

So like... a handful of people? Woo... that justifies the work of all the effort that it would take to revive the server and make it playable!

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Okay, well everyone already is aware that those are not very adept platforms either. I shouldn't even be explaining this in the year 2016.

Ya, shouldn't have to explain your point. How convenient..

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Cool straw man analogy! Here's the part where I shatter your subjective moral high ground. iPhone does not provide any advantage over other leading video game platforms as far as user availability. There are millions of PC gamers who could get access to Graal and become interested via advertising, and it really helps to gain players when a PC game receives actual support. Maybe you should think about the reasons why PC Graal lost so many players, because there are more reasons than personal bias why it's a more viable platform than iPhone or Facebook. Here's an example: why not release Graal on Steam? That's a rhetorical question, because derp!

I don't care about any of that. The point is Graal is what it is, has what it has, and releasing a server only to PC is practically subjecting it to a quick death. No point being hypothetical about what Graal could be on different platforms when it's not. You just want 2k1 back to be what would amount to a personal playground for a few people before they get bored and leave.

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

There are no buttons, and the game apparently isn't optimized enough to draw all of the NPCs of the screen at one time that might appear. Those were two of the glaring inconveniences I experienced in my 2 minute playthrough of Facebook Classic (which is an atrocity by the way, nice job screwing up royally).

Who screwed up Facebook Classic? We don't control the clients and their limitations, we just do our best to work around them. There is no limit to drawing NPCs on the screen, and most limitations of Flash are visual and not really effecting gameplay. But keep on insulting our work since you obviously contribute so much more.

[BlueMelon]

I don't see why your rights would be taken if you were actively developing and progressing the server... the only wasted ressource now is devs wanting to dev and not having a place to dev

[PlanetOscar]

I liked your metaphors

[Inari]

I'm not sure I'd compare the technology behind Graal (especially the wonky and undocumented scripting, but other things too) exactly a "fully decked out HD movie theatre with surround sound"

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Inari

I'm not sure I'd compare the technology behind Graal (especially the wonky and undocumented scripting, but other things too) exactly a "fully decked out HD movie theatre with surround sound"

I'm comparing the strengths of the PC platform to the IOS platform. So yeah, it was a completely accurate hyperbolic analogy. In fact the disparity between the platforms is greater than the analogy could express.

[Inari]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

I'm comparing the strengths of the PC platform to the IOS platform. So yeah, it was a completely accurate hyperbolic analogy. In fact the disparity between the platforms is greater than the analogy could express.

In Hardware maybe, not quite in Software.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Inari

In Hardware maybe, not quite in Software.

Ok thanks for backing my point up that PC Graal needs a better server for everyone to play on than what is currently available.

[PlanetOscar]

can't we just say "ggez" and then move on to IOS?