Managerial Changes

[Crono]

Ridiculous. Unprofessional behaviour gets you out-right removed while absolute corruption gets you a pat on the wrist. Brilliant logic.

[WarriorCam]

So wait, buying a new account to use when your other one is banned is acceptable behavior? I thought that was "ban evasion".

[Knightress]

Soooo, Sinkler... Are you going to "Train" the new Manager of Zodiac until you see fit, like you've done to Era?

P.S. Love your forum avatar btw, soooo fitting for your involvement as a "PWA".

[MysticX2X]

I think a lot of people misunderstand the level of professionalism a manager of a classic server should hold in public light. This applies to any situation with a leader, not just on Graal.

Although I do agree given the amount of work and effort I've heard he has put into Zodiac (never really paid attention to this server), he should have been put on temporary suspension at the most, and not upright removal.

Also, lol at bringing Absolut_crono into this. The people who mention Unholy Nation do not realize that not one manager has done anything positive for UN in years.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I think a lot of people misunderstand the level of professionalism a manager of a classic server should hold in public light. This applies to any situation with a leader, not just on Graal.

We don't have the luxury of being so picky on Graal. The development pool is very limited, and we can't afford to scare off the best developers because of minor forum spats. The good Jer did for the server far outweighs any of the unprofessionalism.

[MattKan]

Well, PWA, you hear what all your developers and staff want. Are you going to give it to them?

[Eskimo]

If what we've all been told by non-PWAs is true, I'd really like to see Tig's explanation as to why Triple_Combo shouldn't have been punished for CSTing and USDing.

[Pandar]

The Playerworld Administration deal with situations on a case-by-case basis. That is why they have removed Jerret from his position as Manager of Zodiac for his posts on the official Graal forums, while the Zodiac community uses its own forums. Makes sense.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Pandar

The Playerworld Administration deal with situations on a case-by-case basis. That is why they have removed Jerret from his position as Manager of Zodiac for his posts on the official Graal forums, while the Zodiac community uses its own forums. Makes sense.

If this thread hadn't been posted on a forum that 90% of zodiac doesn't use, there would be a LOT more reaction from zodiac players

[evilchaseofdoom]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

If this thread hadn't been posted on a forum that 90% of zodiac doesn't use, there would be a LOT more reaction from zodiac players

90% of Zodiac doesn't use? More like 98%. If any of you guys go on the Official Zodiac forums, Jerret actually takes that seriously and is very professional. Sure, there's some of his posts that aren't 100% with it, but for the most part he's nothing like he is on these forums.

[evilchaseofdoom]

Courtesy of *whatzgoingon:

dont even know where to start
jerret is a great manager, he's contributed a lot to zodiac. he's always helped out when being asked for serious help, even on other servers yet you fire him out of personal dislikes
i still dont feel like the reason he was fired is justified. after seeing tigs quotes i do agree it was some inappropriate stuff but it wasnt supposed to be offending
its just his bad sense of humor, he didnt mean to harm anyone
the warnings that were quoted refer jerret pointing out that someone was receiving preferable treatment

he wasnt told to stop the sexual harassment, he could have figured that out himself but again, its just bad sense of humor from his part
and as for triple combo, he/she has been banned serveral times for usd/cst, even with proper proof
i.ve been gp before so i actually am able to say that jerret has always been fair when it comes to handling those things
he shouldnt be fired for stepping on someones toes or even for pointing out another persons mistake
you want him to keep developing yet he isnt allowed to still be manager despite doing a great job
it isnt going to be easy to even find a decent replacement
even if you dont agree with what he did, you might as well consider whats good for zodiac and what the people who play it want, not what you want
keep him banned form the main forums, dont care though leave the management out of it

[lag_PKer]

Tigairius, I know you're the PWAdmin and I'm just you know.. a player.

But I'd highly recommend rehiring Jerret, hoping he will rectify his behavior.

Keep him off of the Graal forums, sure. Maybe ban him from everything forum, minus Zodiac and the Scripting forums and see how his behavior goes from there.

But I've never seen such a reaction from players when a Manager is fired, so clearly his negative that you believe outweigh the positives of his administration aren't such a big deal to the majority of the players.

Perhaps he does need a break from Management. Of course, people have always had problems with his attitude, but it looks like something's been up with him lately, as if he just wasn't caring how he behaved.

Either way, sooner or later, I strongly recommend re-instating him.

What happened after PWAs fired Streety?
We've had:
BD > GK > Crono > Dwarfy > Kevin > Fuza/KB

So 6 different management reigns since you fired a stable Manager, who even though I personally disliked a lot, was good for UN and cared for his work. Now you just fired another stable Manager.

Don't want this to get tl;dr, but as a last note.
I agree Jerret's completely in the wrong for not heeding your warnings.
I just hope you guys will work with him, because if you guys let such a good Manager go so easily, you're just hitting the server and game ever harder.

Edit: as a sidenote, this reminds me of American politics lol a few making decisions, much against what the majority want for the "best" of what they administrate.

[Imperialistic]

Tig I can't even reply to your last post because it was obviously an attempt to cover your tracks and deter players from the facts of how you favor your Vimes family lol. The facts have been laid out on the table.

From what I can see you clearly judged his behavior simply off the forums. He was a Manager of Zodiac, not the Forums, it shouldn't matter what he has to say on here.. and if you don't like it feel free to ban him from the forums but don't rip him from the seat of Manager when has done absolutely nothing but made a positive influence in the community. Zodiac obviously had no problem with him and it seems like the only issues with him were the ones you were personally holding against him because of his personality on the forums. You just don't make sense at all.

I'll take Minecraft for example;

If you break rules on the forums and act like a fool they will ban you from the forums, simple as that. Do you see egotistical admin's going to their servers and interfering?


Also, I would love to see the approval from a Cyberjoueur representative that allowed Chris to play on alternative accounts.

"Users whose accounts have been terminated by any Graal Online administrator or LINUX Cyberjoueurs himself may not access the Graal Online system in any manner or for any reason without the express written permission of Cyberjoueur."

[maximus_asinus]

It is nice to see Graal operates exactly like it did when I was actively playing. The whole situation is pathetic. An adminstration consisting of (former) players appointed by (active) players or selecting members from an internal process just doesn't work because it seems the administration cannot distance themselves from the in game politics (or soap opera like drama if you prefer). The fact that a 'family' was even allowed to be established within speaks volumes towards the stagnation of the administration and the lack of moderation by Cyberjouers. That in itself should warrant the firings of the PWA.

[maximus_asinus]

Also would like to note that a true administration would have stated the firing, reasons if not personal, and would not engage in this crap flinging contest like Tig is doing now.