Observer Mode pending removal!

[DustyPorViva]

Era and Zodiac had the systems implemented before iOS servers and their marketing approach came along(at least as far as I remember).

The goal of said system should not be make the players feel forced to upgrade(by limiting them to only the starting area, or capping their hearts meaning they can't compete with other players), it should be to make them want to upgrade. Giving them ultimatums and a half-assed experience is only going to give them a half-assed opinion of the game. These limitations should make players feel as though they have a fair ground with paying players, yet make them want to either reward themselves, or reward the game, by paying for more.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Era and Zodiac had the systems implemented before iOS servers and their marketing approach came along(at least as far as I remember).

This isn't accurate, at least for Era. Classic iPhone was on the app store by 2009/12/14. I didn't even contact Stefan to begin negotiations for removing observer mode from Era until 2010/06/24. I still have the chain of emails, and I can tell you that I personally made a lot of changes and bent over backwards to get observer mode removed (although, as usual, 75% of the challenge was actually getting a responsefrom Stefan). We spent a lot of hours working on additional restrictions and the gelat shop, although we were able to finally get Stefan to follow through within a couple weeks.

[Gos_pira]

I bet dbug is one of scriptless / iw1r3d's multiple accounts...

[dbug]

Originally Posted by Gos_pira

I bet dbug is one of scriptless / iw1r3d's multiple accounts...

What makes you think scriptless is the only one Thor has pissed off?

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by dbug

the one that you convinced ALL of the classic staff to just stop developing?

All of Classic's remaining staff felt near enough the same way that it didn't take any convincing.

Even so, it is difficult to go back to the drawing board and form a new development plan, not only under the present circumstances, but also while there are so many unanswered questions as to what exactly is supposed to be happening with PC Graal in future.

Originally Posted by dbug

also, u dont even care about graal.. your opinion should not matter.. your anti-stefan right now anyways

Yeah man I don't really care about observer mode, the subscription policy or countless other hindrances, I just want Stefan gone, that's great logic.

Originally Posted by dbug

What makes you think scriptless is the only one Thor has pissed off?

If Scriptless has multiple personality disorder that would explain a lot.

[Gos_pira]

Originally Posted by dbug

What makes you think scriptless is the only one Thor has pissed off?

That's not what I said. But the argumentation is very similar.

[dbug]

Originally Posted by Gos_pira

That's not what I said. But the argumentation is very similar.

Well, it's pretty simple. The forums are public for all to read.

Thor seems to think untill OBS mode and other hinderances are remobved that graal is non-deserving of the content he has made. So it deserves the other servers I take it? And if you apply the same logic to that, the whole system collapses. So I guess he expects people to pay $60 a year for 0 content at all.. since well, obviously graal is not worthy.

By him not developing content, and his attitude influencing others to not develop hes really only hurting US the players, not the owners whom make all of there profits off iOS anyways.

And you guys want to take shots at anyone who argues otherwise? I think the phrase "grow up" applies here.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by dbug

Thor seems to think untill OBS mode and other hinderances are remobved that graal is non-deserving of the content he has made.

That's not at all what I have said, you keep twisting and exaggerating things.

Originally Posted by dbug

By him not developing content, and his attitude influencing others to not develop hes really only hurting US the players

When this decision was made there was already no players left, so it was clear that things hadn't worked out, and there is currently no hope of anything changing in such a way that could make a difference, what do you expect?
Even if we did decide to suddenly restart development in the hope of revitalizing the server, it's fair to say it would probably require another period of being UC anyway.

I have also not encouraged staff of any other server to discontinue their efforts, so in all the effect is negligible.

[Gos_pira]

Originally Posted by dbug

And you guys want to take shots at anyone who argues otherwise? I think the phrase "grow up" applies here.

Take shots? I just pointed out what I thought, because your argumentation is the same. You were the one assuming things. So the "grow up" statement is more applicable to you than me.

[Starfire2001]

Originally Posted by Gos_pira

I bet dbug is one of scriptless / iw1r3d's multiple accounts...

Without a doubt.

[scriptless]

Psh, you guys arguing over here still? The offer still stands. Budget to motivate people is around $1,430-2000 tho, so it's like quit your job to give a crap about us.

Originally Posted by Gos_pira

I bet dbug is one of scriptless / iw1r3d's multiple accounts...

Actually, it was "iWir3D" and I don't go by that name since I created scriptless. And if your going to accuse people of being me you should do it right. It was the transition from being on the dark side creating trainers and working with Anti-Graal to becomming a productive member of the community helping out any server in need rather then trying to work on any single project of mine. Kinda a share the wealth thing.

[dbug]

Not classic staff, the higher staff.. Stefan/unixmad.. Classic made several descisions that ultimately killed it. The sparring because of custom systems pushed even the oldbies away.. And the Obs mode while it does hurt the server doesn't 100% stop players from playing. U have the advantage of quality content to entice upgrades.. Obs mode is not nearly as annoying as you guys think, I've played with it ALOT and it's a matter of opinion/preference.. Obviously in un's case it doesn't kill the server.. While yea the server may die it also lacks major quality content so to blame its future fail solely on Obs mode would be insane. Players stopped playing because no more quests and events are obsolete.. People want to spar but you have ruined there experience in there eyes.. I agree with you that the custom systems arnt really noticeable but as long as the placebo effect makes them believe it ruins it that's what matter... If u had more quests to entertain people a little longer noobs would be more willing to tolerate Obs mode at least they would be able to play with people not just by themselves because u pushed the rest of us away..

[mewtoo18]

Thor, wern't you already banned once globally for being obnoxious twards stefan and calling him an Ostrich as well as changing the observer mode message and several other things? And your still at it?

[Starfire2001]

Originally Posted by mewtoo18

Thor, wern't you already banned once globally for being obnoxious twards stefan and calling him an Ostrich as well as changing the observer mode message and several other things? And your still at it?

It's pretty easy to figure out who scriptless's alts are because he's the only one who agrees with himself.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by dbug

The sparring because of custom systems pushed even the oldbies away..

I have shown within a video that the scripted HD is doing exactly the same thing as the default HD, and broke it down into every little detail to explain what exactly it is doing. If that pushed oldbies away there is nothing more that could have been done about that, whereas using built-in systems in the first place would have limited what could be achieved with content.

Originally Posted by dbug

And the Obs mode while it does hurt the server doesn't 100% stop players from playing.

It forces us to prevent trials from playing events (which Stefan even said isn't a deliberate restriction), it has a high likelihood of interrupting a card game, there have been multiple times where a member of Help/FAQ staff have reported a trial logging out after entering observer mode whilst they were helping them within a quest, it can even cause bugs that require a trial to reconnect altogether and endure another bout of observer mode.

The 2 free weeks of gold saw a whole new group of new players get into the server, not only did it prove to be the difference between constant activity and no activity, it ironically resulted in a handful or so of trials upgrading.

Originally Posted by dbug

U have the advantage of quality content to entice upgrades..

Originally Posted by dbug

If u had more quests to entertain people a little longer noobs would be more willing to tolerate Obs mode.

Perhaps if the subscription price wasn't greater than a new Zelda release and didn't last a temporary amount of time that could be the case. As it is now we could probably double the questing content and it wouldn't make any significant difference in regards to trials upgrading.

Originally Posted by dbug

Obs mode is not nearly as annoying as you guys think, I've played with it ALOT and it's a matter of opinion/preference..

I'm guessing that when you played with observer mode you already knew what to expect of Graal and had an upgraded account or 5 to fall back to anyway.

Originally Posted by dbug

Obviously in un's case it doesn't kill the server.. While yea the server may die it also lacks major quality content so to blame its future fail solely on Obs mode would be insane.

Lifetime accounts have not been purchasable for 5 and a half years, most people with a lifetime account have either moved on in life, are moving on in life, or have given their account away.
This is something that will require significant replenishment sooner or later, I'm sure UN's staff would appreciate not having a system that essentially has the server's balls in a vicegrip.

Originally Posted by mewtoo18

Thor, wern't you already banned once globally for being obnoxious twards stefan and calling him an Ostrich as well as changing the observer mode message and several other things? And your still at it?

Those are really poor examples Scriptless, as I have not since called Stefan an ostrich or changed the observer mode text, and I don't believe I've said anything obnoxious towards him within this thread. It's also not as if I agreed to avoid bashing the policies.