My Unholy Nation Experience

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by 12171217

I think you guys take the **** too seriously, personally, threads like this make being a staff member very offputting to even the most dedicated of developers. I think you guys should realize that Graal is made by players, for players. If you look at a lot of games that are open-source and the source being able to be committed to by anyone, none of them have strict staff teams, are drop-in-drop-out projects with no real dedication necessary, and a lot of them are still very high quality. Be less overbearing, make less drama, and thus be more appealing. At least to developers.

That's a load of crap. Sure, everything is being made by volounteer players, but they *did* volounteer and thus are expected to do ****. They can't just come whining when players complain that they aren't doing stuff.

[Supaman771]

I only read the first two main posts, assuming the remainder are trolls or long dumb responses. (like this one)

All I have to say is UN is a joke of a server. Having it on the classic tab makes Graal itself look bad. In essence UN is a chat room with the same 25 events going again and again and again. The server has no point to it what-so-ever and I don't personally care to know what the original goal of UN was.

At least you cared enough about it to try, but you went through way too much and your work hasn't effectively accomplished anything because the server is still a huge mass of randomness with musical chairs managers. But you obviously had a passion for your work because you kept going through all the retardism that is UN.

I'm sure the server will remain, there's still the same 50 people chatting and 'going out' and 'caron' and whatever the hell else they do on UN now. But you should just get over it and put your abilities to more use. Polishing trash doesn't make it less trashy, your work has unfortunately been in vain.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by 12171217

I think you guys take the **** too seriously, personally, threads like this make being a staff member very offputting to even the most dedicated of developers. I think you guys should realize that Graal is made by players, for players. If you look at a lot of games that are open-source and the source being able to be committed to by anyone, none of them have strict staff teams, are drop-in-drop-out projects with no real dedication necessary, and a lot of them are still very high quality. Be less overbearing, make less drama, and thus be more appealing. At least to developers.

graal is made by developers for developers; it just happens to also have players

Originally Posted by Supaman771

I only read the first two main posts, assuming the remainder are trolls or long dumb responses. (like this one)

i didn't read the remainder of the post because i'm assuming it's a troll or a dumb response

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hi ds how r u

[12171217]

p. gud
how u?

[kia345]

omg hi

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o im good. u no jus not bein on un an stuf. savng preshus time not usn propr gramer.

[Bell]

UN is taking the same slippery path that Classic was on some years ago. I strongly suggest that absolut_crono be less worried about how pleasant it is on RC and focus more on who is actually doing what to improve the current situation. Many staff members are quite capable of selling themselves as competent members yet if you look closely you will find they do nothing to support what they say.

People ask for PWA intervention but be very careful what you ask for. What people tend to forget is they only choose a new manager, they have no control over who that manager hires. While I'm all for giving a new manager to get settled in and figure out what really needs done and what can be set aside for awhile. They have to also realize that just because someone has been staff for awhile, that doesn't make them any good. The PWA also has the option of just giving suggestions as to what should be fixed/changed but its been my experience that this has fallen on deaf ears.

Although I no longer am a PWA nor do I play UN I do know one thing. There are at least 2 staff members currently on the team that have no place there. I will not name them as I refuse to get involved in a player bashing contest here but I think if management pays attention he will figure out who they are rather quickly.

UN needs fixing as everyone already knows. It has a long list of issues that have been ignored for years that are snowballing to a point that it may never recover. I just hope that those in charge will open their eyes, acknowledge the problems and doing the boring job of fixing them before they've driven UN's last players away.

[Mark Sir Link]

I know while Bell was PWA I sent her some documents that should have put into question the ability for Cron and Luca to manage before either of them were manager, I believe.

Don't believe I can post them here directly but can PM anyone interested.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I know while Bell was PWA I sent her some documents that should have put into question the ability for Cron and Luca to manage before either of them were manager, I believe.

Don't believe I can post them here directly but can PM anyone interested.

Didn't those two just slip into those positions anyway?

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Didn't those two just slip into those positions anyway?

Yes, I also don't understand why the PWA wouldn't have tried to take a more active role in replacing Backdraft since he was a PWA replacement and didn't last very long. I can only assume he just decided to replace himself without notifying the PWA.

It seems like it just became buddies promoting buddies to the top, and as long as you're in their circle you're immune to any sort of punishment for wrong-doing as shown in that log.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Didn't those two just slip into those positions anyway?

Yes they did, the PWA had no involvement in their hiring.

Managers choosing to leave of their own accord are given the option of naming a replacement. In Backdrafts case he named his replacement the night before I had planned on replacing him myself. Since a new manager was named, the PWA chose to give that new person a chance. After all, as we had been told so many times before. Let the people who play UN choose their manager, not the PWA.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Bell

Yes they did, the PWA had no involvement in their hiring.

PM meh! You can't post such intriguing information without dropping names!

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Bell

Managers choosing to leave of their own accord are given the option of naming a replacement. In Backdrafts case he named his replacement the night before I had planned on replacing him myself. Since a new manager was named, the PWA chose to give that new person a chance. After all, as we had been told so many times before. Let the people who play UN choose their manager, not the PWA.

Based on responses I've seen in this thread alone, ignoring conversations I've had with players and staff elsewhere, I am certain the players don't want Luca to be the Development Manager, and many feel the same about Cron being overall manager.

It doesn't seem like the people who play had any say in the past two appointments, since neither GK or Cron are really active in game.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Bell

People ask for PWA intervention but be very careful what you ask for. What people tend to forget is they only choose a new manager, they have no control over who that manager hires.

False.
GC was fired from Era within hours of becoming manager because apparently some people he hired weren't allowed to be hired. (Aka... Tig had a promise to keep and wouldn't allow Wil, among others to become staff.) Thus leading to firing a whole staff team and a manager. After which incident the player that supported the decisions (passive little kinetaro) became manager and everyone else who was against it earned a spot on a blacklist with ludicrous reasons of Anti-Graal, which Tig refuses to explain.

They may not be able to choose exactly who managers hire, but they sure can control it with means such described.


@UN - Server sux, start over plz.