My Unholy Nation Experience

[nightslayer317]

Wow this was great. My first impression when I saw the large walls of text was to print it out and read it on the toilet. After finishing the first paragraph I couldn't stop reading.

I hope this gets made into a movie.

*edit : BTW Kevinbo, thanks for applying that option to disable forums on login <3

[jacob_bald6225]

I volunteer to be UN manager!

[snoop413]

i was only staff for a little while, but every day i went on RC and saw so many arguments between people. luca was the co-manager but he never said anything to try and stop it, even though he made it a point in the server ops to not argue. instead he began talking to khyber and like two weeks later went to visit her for god knows how long. it's a shame they made kevin feel so un-wanted, because in my two or three months as ET he did more work then anyone. i don't see why they don't just fire luca and make kevin developer. they don't even need a dev admin since they have vicious to give rights.

plus luca is way... odd. he's literally stalked a person from graal before (i have proof), IP sniffs me and then gets his (her?) girlfriend to harass me and make stuff up on skype. and made a blacklist to blacklist me/my friends from staff, which i have saved before crono managed to delete it. forum PM me if you want to see it.

[Mark Sir Link]

As a side-note about Luca's and Khyber's long disappearance, I can understand perfectly well while people would want to take a break from their volunteer job on Graal, but what I can never understand is why some of the people wanting to take a break insist on being a nuisance or otherwise hindering the work of those who are willing to work.

The same thing happened with Master Storm and countless others on Classic and I could never understand why people would hold a server hostage to their whims.

[Fulg0reSama]

I'm curious to ask what you mean specifically by staff being a nuisance. Because if it's simple ****-talk than you should be able to simply ignore it. But if it goes further than that than yeah I have no idea why.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I'm curious to ask what you mean specifically by staff being a nuisance. Because if it's simple ****-talk than you should be able to simply ignore it. But if it goes further than that than yeah I have no idea why.

as in directly or indirectly preventing the completion of projects

[nullify]

Thread of soap opera proportions.

Unrelated note: I miss Delteria.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by nullify

Thread of soap opera proportions.

Unrelated note: I miss Delteria.

Me too bro

[Kamakaze]

Kevin and Mystic,

Both of your "short stories" on Unholy Nation and Unholy Nation staff have easily grasped my attention. I was astounded as I read the first few sentences and was easily dragged in to reading it all and left in awe as I finished them both. You both hold valid points that I agree with 100%.

Firstly, in the past year we have gone through an amazing amount of Managers, whether they get removed for various reasons, step down, or even quit in total. I know that Unholy Nation has work to be done, but take some steps forward and press people to get things done instead of quitting/stepping down, which shows people that you don't want to be on Unholy Nation staff, at least in my eyes that's what I see.

Second, I have seen Luca develop many things along side the infinite amount of particle emitters I have seen from him. Sadly I was staff when he decided to take this 2 month "vacation" it was called, to visit his girlfriend. Among this all he kept talking to staff to change his away note in server ops, being gone for a grand total of a month and a half to two months.

As was stated ahead by Mystic, Khyber was away for 3 months with no activity, how she was able to come back and get LAT Admin in an instant is just surprising, I don't think Mystic, that you should have stepped down, you should have kept the spot, honestly more things would have been done, and more things would have been takin' into consideration!

Kevin, I have heard this story from many people, most people leaving out a s*** load of detail, this is the first that I was able to read and understand the WHOLE story behind your quitting of Unholy Nation. I was only told half of it, by guess who... Luca.

I can see that, "Luca has done a lot lets keep him," but I don't see it, Luca fixes things here and there, and makes emitters, ooooh how fun.. Where is the real development, oh wait that's right, in a project him and Khyber are working on... alone.. wtf?

Luca needs to either pick up the game, or be removed from Dev Manager, we are in too much need to have a Dev Manager that screws off and doesn't do what is needed. Our server isn't one of the best, mainly because of the lack of Dev's that are prepared to work AND stay with the current Management.

Not bagging on all the staff on UN, just that I don't see UN moving forward ANY time soon with the current Management. We need to get someone to straighten things out OR get new Management under way, someone that will take matters and get things done, press to get things done, and want things done. Not someone that will sit around, horse around on RC all day then not come on for a good week or so.

Unholy Nation needs more devoted people like Kevin and Mystic on staff, and I hope one day they think about returning because I know I never said anything, but Kevin you did a smashing job, I loved the updated to the Events you did, including the tips for the Events, looks great. Mystic I knew you were always hard at work and willing to get things done, why you were fired for lack of coders help is just dumb, I don't see why they don't want to keep staff that WORKS and does things they should be doing. Unholy Nation staff keeps the abusers and fires the hard workers?!? What is wrong with this, we need to get that fixed!

Thanks for reading the whole rant if you did
-Joker

[fowlplay4]

inalac si acul : pit-orp spends all time making emitters, other boring things, pretty obvious (near exact behavior on Zodiac around the time Yen was going insane)

[kia345]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

inalac si acul : pit-orp

I was going to say that :I

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

inalac si acul : pit-orp

lol, a lot of people already knew that.

I am really enjoying the amount of support this thread has gained. Hopefully it comes to some avail.

Originally Posted by Kamakaze

Unholy Nation needs more devoted people like Kevin and Mystic on staff, and I hope one day they think about returning because I know I never said anything, but Kevin you did a smashing job, I loved the updated to the Events you did, including the tips for the Events, looks great. Mystic I knew you were always hard at work and willing to get things done, why you were fired for lack of coders help is just dumb, I don't see why they don't want to keep staff that WORKS and does things they should be doing. Unholy Nation staff keeps the abusers and fires the hard workers?!? What is wrong with this, we need to get that fixed!

Thanks, Joker. I can't really say I was productive though, due to a lot of difficulties UN had with management and direction. I can only say I was willing to work, but didn't see projects aimed at the current players. I wanted to release Castlewars, but saw no motivation to finish it since no scripter was available after Jumb0 disappeared, and Luca didn't see to get a replacement scripter, and instead, fired me. The only project Luca put focus into was his own noobie course, and nothing else. UN doesn't even need an extensive noobie course IMO. Until you restructure the server to be somewhat consistent (laff), that project should have been kept on the backburner, or not as extensive as it was made.

[Kamakaze]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

lol, a lot of people already knew that.

I am really enjoying the amount of support this thread has gained. Hopefully it comes to some avail.



Thanks, Joker. I can't really say I was productive though, due to a lot of difficulties UN had with management and direction. I can only say I was willing to work, but didn't see projects aimed at the current players. I wanted to release Castlewars, but saw no motivation to finish it since no scripter was available after Jumb0 disappeared, and Luca didn't see to get a replacement scripter, and instead, fired me. The only project Luca put focus into was his own noobie course, and nothing else. UN doesn't even need an extensive noobie course IMO. Until you restructure the server to be somewhat consistent (laff), that project should have been kept on the backburner, or not as extensive as it was made.

No problem Mystic, but put it this way, why were you not productive? No assignments assigned to you? Nothing was being planned, nothing was getting released that was benefiting anyone BUT the staff. Castlewars was about finished I believe just no one was motivated to code it for the players. I mean come on everytime we have something FOR the players it never gets released, but the moment staff make something for themselves or staff beneficial IT'S RELEASED INSTANTANEOUSLY! This "noobie course and GMAP" that has been in the makes shouldn't have even been started in the first place, mainly because we need to get other things fixed, we need to focus on changing and fixing a majority of scripts on UN. There is sooo many scripts that are GS1 and a handful that are NOT working and need some structure.
Where will this mayhem end and the restructure and new beginning start -_-???

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Kamakaze

No problem Mystic, but put it this way, why were you not productive? No assignments assigned to you? Nothing was being planned, nothing was getting released that was benefiting anyone BUT the staff. Castlewars was about finished I believe just no one was motivated to code it for the players. I mean come on everytime we have something FOR the players it never gets released, but the moment staff make something for themselves or staff beneficial IT'S RELEASED INSTANTANEOUSLY! This "noobie course and GMAP" that has been in the makes shouldn't have even been started in the first place, mainly because we need to get other things fixed, we need to focus on changing and fixing a majority of scripts on UN. There is sooo many scripts that are GS1 and a handful that are NOT working and need some structure.
Where will this mayhem end and the restructure and new beginning start -_-???

Castlewars was actually close to completion, both leveling and scripting. It won't be finished now though lol. As for assignments, aside from the noob course, I was asked about the thought of some redone tcpk with additional features, that didn't seem really necessary when first presented to me, but said I would be willing to do it if made proper, as she(Khyber) was still sorting some ideas out with Nullify, who was a former LAT on UN. He can fill in the blanks of that idea. I could go on with what Luca 'wanted' to do that he hasn't done, but I already explained myself enough. One was trying to rescript UN's sytems on dev, which has 'started' months ago.

[Kamakaze]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Castlewars was actually close to completion, both leveling and scripting. It won't be finished now though lol. As for assignments, aside from the noob course, I was asked about the thought of some redone tcpk with additional features, that didn't seem really necessary when first presented to me, but said I would be willing to do it if made proper, as she(Khyber) was still sorting some ideas out with Nullify, who was a former LAT on UN. He can fill in the blanks of that idea. I could go on with what Luca 'wanted' to do that he hasn't done, but I already explained myself enough. One was trying to rescript UN's sytems on dev,

I know that Castlewars was pretty much done, just needed some finishing touches, why you were fired for "not working on it" when it was technically finished is a mystery. A new TCPK?!?! Didn't we just get a new one? I believe we did not too long ago, that can wait, that is the LAST thing we need right now. We need to focus on player needs, and getting things fixed, it would benefit more to do that, then put that aside and make pointless crap and NPCs.
But like Mystic said, I've explained myself enough here, lets just hope that someone sees this and acts on it, because this is getting outrageous of the lack of concern on UN!