My Account

[Logababy]

Ok I promise not to mass it on era every day. <3

[Logababy]

But I'm not son.

[Bell]

To clear up a little confusion for Zephirot and Logababy.

1. According to the terms of service when you register for an account.

General Provisions. You may not use, copy, modify, sublicense, rent, sell, assign or transfer the license granted pursuant to this Agreement except as expressly provided in this Agreement. Any assignment in violation of this Agreement is void.

This means the account cannot be used, given, rented or sold to anyone else. Hence why you see sharing bans. Keep in mind that if an account is knowingly sold or transferred we have in the past and will request the lifetime Classic subscription be removed permanently.

2. While Classic subscriptions are no longer available, named accounts are in some cases. This is done at the discretion of accounts support is very specific. If a named trial account has not been in use for 4 to 5 years it can be reassigned to someone requesting it. This account must then be upgraded to gold for a year within a specified period of time (I normally use 30 days but others have used 2 weeks). These accounts can not be altered in any way. There will be no reformatting of the name at all. If the name is all in caps, it stays in caps.

It is up to the person requesting an account to supply a name they wish to have however. We do not have access to a list of all available account names. Each one requested has to be researched individually. While we do have the ability to use wildcards in searching it is still a time consuming process. Which is why I insist they be upgraded. If they are not upgraded within the specified time they will be disabled. This is to deter people from just trying to 'harvest' named accounts.

[KrimsonSky]

lol

[zephirot]

1. According to the terms of service when you register for an account.

Quote:
General Provisions. You may not use, copy, modify, sublicense, rent, sell, assign or transfer the license granted pursuant to this Agreement except as expressly provided in this Agreement. Any assignment in violation of this Agreement is void.

That was not there nine years ago when I registered an account.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by zephirot

1. According to the terms of service when you register for an account.

Quote:
General Provisions. You may not use, copy, modify, sublicense, rent, sell, assign or transfer the license granted pursuant to this Agreement except as expressly provided in this Agreement. Any assignment in violation of this Agreement is void.

That was not there nine years ago when I registered an account.

Agreement. This Agreement comprise the entire agreement between LINUX Cyberjoueurs and you, and supersedes any prior agreements between you and LINUX Cyberjoueurs with respect to the subject matter hereof or thereof.

[Liberated]

Originally Posted by Bell

Agreement. This Agreement comprise the entire agreement between LINUX Cyberjoueurs and you, and supersedes any prior agreements between you and LINUX Cyberjoueurs with respect to the subject matter hereof or thereof.

So when he bought an account 9 years ago, that buying suddenly becomes renting because of a change in terms, that happened after he bought it, doesn't make sense to me, it makes sense to me that they call it renting nowadays, but i don't think they should be allowed to change that on existing accounts.

[Logababy]

Okay, thanks Bell.

[Bell]

I also got my account 9 years ago and even then it never said you 'own' the account. It still said that terms are subject to change which is pretty normal with any account you get from any company. You are actually only paying for useage rights and there is never a clause saying that you get to do with it whatever you want. The emotions come out when you say the word 'rent.'

This is really no different than a credit card or bank account. They all have a 'change in terms' clause and a 'termination' clause. Cyberjoueurs is no different.

Termination. Either you or LINUX Cyberjoueurs may terminate this Agreement at any time. Your only right with respect to any dissatisfaction with any Agreement term, or policy or practice of a Graal Online administrator or LINUX Cyberjoueurs in operating the Graal Online system or change therein is to terminate this Agreement by notifying Graal Online Support Staff of your desire to terminate and confirming such request in writing or electronically if requested. Your notice of termination will be effective upon receipt by the Graal Online Support Staff, or upon receipt of confirmation if confirmation is requested.

[TSAdmin]

Seems I've stirred a buzzards nest of people who haven't been keeping on top of the Agreement they...agreed to

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Seems I've stirred a buzzards nest of people who haven't been keeping on top of the Agreement they...agreed to

as if you're going to actually catch someone with undeniable evidence in most (if not all) of these cases. back when we "rented" the classic accounts, it's as if we paid the "rental" fee and just never ever brought it home, sort of like netflix. only those who were not awesome enough to play graal back in the day have to actually return their accounts (DVDs) back. they can't take away our classic account status, and you cannot exactly prove who has what classic account: who cares with the numbered accounts, those eventually terminate

basically logababy should have just shut up about getting a classic account

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Seems I've stirred a buzzards nest of people who haven't been keeping on top of the Agreement they...agreed to

Actually it's not legally binding unless you're alerted about changes to the ToS.
E.g. WoW makes you re-agree to the EULA after every update.

Imagine if Facebook didn't have to tell you every time they changed their Privacy Policy.

As a side note, I've been offered $200 for one of my other lifetime classic accounts, and Morgoth has been offered $400 for his account.
Goes to show how much people hate the current subscription method and community names.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Actually it's not legally binding unless you're alerted about changes to the ToS.
E.g. WoW makes you re-agree to the EULA after every update.

Imagine if Facebook didn't have to tell you every time they changed their Privacy Policy.

As a side note, I've been offered $200 for one of my other lifetime classic accounts, and Morgoth has been offered $400 for his account.
Goes to show how much people hate the current subscription method and community names.

From Demisis to TSAdmin

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

As a side note, I've been offered $200 for one of my other lifetime classic accounts, and Morgoth has been offered $400 for his account.
Goes to show how much people hate the current subscription method and community names.

I doubt that since you're probably not telling us the real reason. I.e: An account containing certain-valued server goods, hours, etc.

[adam]

The first person I saw on graal that I remembered after I came back for a visit, told me. "Yeah, I get that a lot, but no i'm not him. I just have his account."