Armageddon

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Like I said originally, when someone talks about a server as a whole, has seen it with their own eyes, and knows the future plans, you can't, respectably and whole-heartedly, respond. You dont know what he knows. Know, going on, I, of coarse, wouldn't typically, as any other owner in development, spill ALL the beans of a server in development. I still haven't. What has been presented in this thread is the finished results thus far. What Precise was talking about was beyong the finished results thus far, and you replied to it idiotically, not knowing it. So I explained it, and you continue further, idiotically. You are not misinformed. You are correct. You are actually only knowing in part, and trying to respond thus. Results are idiotic posts. The End.

Apparently you still don't understand. I should have just quoted "This will definitely be a server to change the quality standard for future player worlds a-like." because that is what I was responding to. Everything you have posted looks bad to me, and it is consistently bad, and this is finished to you? Okay, I am entitled to say what I said. I don't have to know every nook and cranny, that is not how games are judged by consumers in real life, and that certainly isn't how it works on Graal.

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

First off, you are seriously comparing players to developing server? You compare real life people to development server?! lol.

No, I am playing the game he wants to play. Ignorance about a bunch of players is not comparable because we are not putting ourselves out there. There isn't a thread about us, but I bet if there was there would be a lot of opinions, misinformed or not. I would not be reacting how you guys are though, because comments like "your avatar is bad hahaha!" are off-topic drivel. You are opening yourself up to comments by making a thread and posting content, accept it.

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

hey Rufus how did you get control of US again?

Ever gona come up with a answer?

[kia345]

This thread gives off bad vibes regarding Armageddon and I now have even less interest in the server (I had none to begin with, grats on going negative). Cyril and Decus are being ridiculously defensive over a server that, from what I've seen itt, is nothing special.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by kia345

This thread gives off bad vibes regarding Armageddon and I now have even less interest in the server (I had none to begin with, grats on going negative). Cyril and Decus are being ridiculously defensive over a server that, from what I've seen itt, is nothing special.

I'm 100% sure I've never warped you out of OSL since it came back, and 99% sure since I just got off the phone with my little bro Decus, that he's never warped you out either. So I'm sorry that 1 level, OSL, wasen't amazing to wow you about Armageddon. So, you saying this pretty much amounts to 0 as well, as you have little to no posts in here with negative or constructive critisim, and have probably never bothered to even log on. You're just being negative to be negative, as usual (can't completly knock you on that, I drink and do it throughout the graal forums some times lol, but typically you post just to post).

Originally Posted by Rufus

Apparently you still don't understand. I should have just quoted "This will definitely be a server to change the quality standard for future player worlds a-like." because that is what I was responding to. Everything you have posted looks bad to me, and it is consistently bad, and this is finished to you? Okay, I am entitled to say what I said. I don't have to know every nook and cranny, that is not how games are judged by consumers in real life, and that certainly isn't how it works on Graal.



No, I am playing the game he wants to play. Ignorance about a bunch of players is not comparable because we are not putting ourselves out there. There isn't a thread about us, but I bet if there was there would be a lot of opinions, misinformed or not. I would not be reacting how you guys are though, because comments like "your avatar is bad hahaha!" are off-topic drivel. You are opening yourself up to comments by making a thread and posting content, accept it.

Edit: This next part includes you Rufus, I know you'd love to read it.

I am being defensive, but it's not to be defensive. It's because, if you read what I said, I hate it when people try to talk about something like they know about it, when they don't. That's idiotic and pointless. Tried to point that out to Rufus, which makes his comments even more idiotic after I've pointed this out. He's never been on I'm sure, and if he has, it was last year, and everything is different, like I have stated in this thread. He doesn't seem to understand he's replying to someone that HAS been on the server quite a bit and we HAVE told him the almost complete future of the server. He instead goes off what, 8 whopping screenshots, which are only about 2 different things, since we restarted, and uses that as a whole of the server. So apparently he

Originally Posted by Rufus

still don't understand.

I've said it quite a bit now and he has no legitimate remark on that. Its nonsense and useless posts about a opinion that matters much to nothing. Its like taking 2 chapters of a book and making a comment and opinion on it. Not much room to say its not unique, not impressive, or really anything. On the server, especially after I state that what is in this forum is obviously not everything. Seriously? It's a server in development.


Anyways, keeping to the thread now...

The player house system is on the move. I'm amazed on what I can still do after quite a few beers!

Should be about 1/4 done tonight. Finished probably earlier than a week.

We also need bug testers, and I'm going to put in a system to file bug reports for things so we can fix them. I will announce when this is ready to go.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

I'm 100% sure I've never warped you out of OSL since it came back, and 99% sure since I just got off the phone with my little bro Decus, that he's never warped you out either. So I'm sorry that 1 level, OSL, wasen't amazing to wow you about Armageddon. So, you saying this pretty much amounts to 0 as well, as you have little to no posts in here with negative or constructive critisim, and have probably never bothered to even log on. You're just being negative to be negative, as usual (can't completly knock you on that, I drink and do it throughout the graal forums some times lol, but typically you post just to post).

Oh, I never even logged on. The point of this thread is to gauge your server. And it does a bad job. I looked at what was posted, got the whole "wow this doesn't seem special at all!" feel, and then saw your ridiculous posts.

I'm sorry you can't manage to advertise your server very well, and have to dismiss any (well deserved!) negativity as just being negative for the sake of being a jerk. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I honestly believe your server is nothing interesting!

[Arch_Angel]

[Soala]

To be honest, I somewhat agree with Rufus, and I don't really like the unfinished look of it all. You guys should spend more time on every single detail to put on there, and the graphics could sure use a more refined look. If people can play your server, then they will, even if graphics are not on top of what appeals them. But after all, do you really want to go on and finaly look like any other server to attract the same players?

I'm not one to judge at all, even if I am a developer myself, but there's one thing I know when I create content for my own project, as I expect to attract oldbies but also a whole lot of new players: quality everywhere. This is why it takes so long to create something new, even longer with such small team I and Armageddon do have, but it is also what players usualy expect from us.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

^ All this is now working and active. There is a fee base off 8.25% to round to an integer for each price you set as the max bid. The larger the max bid, the larger the fee to put it up.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Nostalgic.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I wouldn't go that far.

Lol. Nuff said there already.

Originally Posted by Rufus

...and if all you're differentiating in is graphics and style, it is something that you should probably start working on as soon as possible.

Originally Posted by Soala

To be honest, I somewhat agree with Rufus, and I don't really like the unfinished look of it all. You guys should spend more time on every single detail to put on there, and the graphics could sure use a more refined look. If people can play your server, then they will, even if graphics are not on top of what appeals them. But after all, do you really want to go on and finaly look like any other server to attract the same players?

I'm not one to judge at all, even if I am a developer myself, but there's one thing I know when I create content for my own project, as I expect to attract oldbies but also a whole lot of new players: quality everywhere. This is why it takes so long to create something new, even longer with such small team I and Armageddon do have, but it is also what players usualy expect from us.

He pretty much says gfx aren't going to change it, then you say gfx are appeal. How is that agreeing?!

Secondly, of coarse it has an unfinished look. The server isn't finished. Things are constantly approving with our 3.5 man team.

Thirdly, we might resemble A server or TWO, but we aren't going on looking like any other server. Thats a vastly broad remark to make. Really? Our GFX tileset and images on the lvs look like UN, Era, Zodiac, Kingdoms, or N-Pulse?! Thats not even a majority, and with the way ours are, barely, slightly resemble 1/3 of the servers ever.

On top of that:

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

I know this is me constantly begging for a NAT, but we still need at least one to help keep a better flow of this server finishing soon.

We also need a dedicated GFX artist. Really, 2 would be better. Anything from icons to flowers to mounts need to be done, so if you are interested, please contact me on forum PM for GFX or NAT.

We only got one, and he's inactive atm. And when you log on it says we actually need 3 now. The staff opening thread has almost never helped us, which is why it's out of date. Even to the arguement of saying we got one, it says we need 2. Again, start at the beginning of this thread if needed (not rude, people seem to be missing what I and other people post in this thread so far).

We have, technically, 1 GFX. Decus. Hes getting pretty decent, actually really good imo, but he started GFX like 3 months ago really, besides some random things. Obviously an experienced GFX artist would solve problems, which is why we are still looking for one.

On the last paragraph Soala. Agreed, completely. It's too hard to find dev, so most of dev server is just what they have and that's about it, period. Thats why I, as a pretty inexperienced scripter, have to force myself to learn stuff, and make, sometimes, pretty sloppy code that still works. We do plan to make stuff better, but we aren't obviously even in hosted yet.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

He pretty much says gfx aren't going to change it, then you say gfx are appeal. How is that agreeing?!

No, I said that if the content you've got only differentiates itself in GRAPHICS then you need to CHANGE YOUR GRAPHICS as they are bad.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by kia345

Oh, I never even logged on. The point of this thread is to gauge your server. And it does a bad job. I looked at what was posted, got the whole "wow this doesn't seem special at all!" feel, and then saw your ridiculous posts.

I'm sorry you can't manage to advertise your server very well, and have to dismiss any (well deserved!) negativity as just being negative for the sake of being a jerk. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I honestly believe your server is nothing interesting!

lol. If I really have to, I will go through 200 posts or so of you doing what I stated...

Either way, I don't really care on people critiquing how I post on a thread or advertise. I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter as much as the content of the server when it's released, and others seemed to be at least a bit excited, which, I'm very sorry you aren't after reading this. My bad.

Originally Posted by Rufus

No, I said that if the content you've got only differentiates itself in GRAPHICS then you need to CHANGE YOUR GRAPHICS as they are bad.

I've given you those 13 lines and 27 ideas. Care to remark on the non-unique points of each of them? Its at least the 2nd time to ask, and you keep avoiding it. It pretty much disproves that GFX isn't the only thing that this server has to differentiates itself from other servers and that ours isn't like "every other server (specifically UN, right?)". But ... keep going.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Either way, I don't really care on people critiquing how I post on a thread or advertise. I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter as much as the content of the server when it's released, and others seemed to be at least a bit excited, which, I'm very sorry you aren't after reading this. My bad.

Whatever great content you have lined up is irrelevant until the server is public. Until it's opened up to the world, I have this thread to go by, and nothing you say holds any meaning whatsoever. Everything people say about what you guys have posted is all there is to it, as that's all the server has to represent itself with.

[Soala]

Everything has room for improvement on what you guys made (wow I guess this goes for pretty much everything in life too) but it's still nice to see you guys working hard, and I did see some improvements between when I logged in a few weeks and today. You guys are on the right way if you keep trying harder.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by Soala

Everything has room for improvement on what you guys made (wow I guess this goes for pretty much everything in life too) but it's still nice to see you guys working hard, and I did see some improvements between when I logged in a few weeks and today. You guys are on the right way if you keep trying harder.

Thanks. We do appreciate you logging on and giving constructive critisim to what you think should be fixed.

Also to say to the general public (lol I guess). Any normal person would stick up for what they've been trying hard on. Thats all me and Decus are doing. Started with one reply to someone saying something he knew, to someone who didnt bother to even view things on the server. I'm getting tired of repeating myself, so anyone say what they want, but I'm pretty much done besides server news/updates again.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by kia345

... Until it's opened up to the world, I have this thread to go by, and nothing you say holds any meaning whatsoever.

Uhg, then you should have nothing to go on in this thread, because if nothing I say holds any meaning whatsoever, then how do you have this thread to go off of being I post almost all updates in this thread?
People just seem to post mindlessly A LOT. Thats why I want to just be done arguing. No real point. That was a dumb statement, that contradicted itself in it's own sentence. Proof of a mindless post. If you don't mean my posts, which is pretty retarded if you don't since I am Admin and post almost all updates for the server that this thread is about, then go ahead and take the other posts since we started back up (you can notice the dates, and notice that they are mostly positive posts besides Rufus' one which he can't back up when talking about the server as a whole since he hasen't seen it period). Everything other post is constructive critisim or a postive post about how good the server is turning out so far. Said I was done once, after tonight, done arguing with Kia and Rufus for real. Sweet Lord...

Anyways, wanted to say that there are only 3-4 "insides" left for the beginning town to be completed, including a bit more detail on the levels and some moving around things. The town will be open when it is finished, and released to the public to walk around in. There will be staff blocks shutting off the rest of the gmap until the entire 1/4 side is complete.

The 1/4 side will include a type of "campaign" quest. Probably, finishing the story for it (not the server) will be 8-9 quests we will be working on. This side will most likely be completed in 2-4 weeks from now, quests, levels, and all.

Our initial images and quests may, actually most likely won't, be the complete, finished product though, as we are still a dev server.

The server is public right now, techically, as we typically warp almost anyone out that wants to be warped out that has logged on. For those who think it isn't, anyone can log on (if you think you can't, then you obviously haven't tried whatsoever), it's not a staff only server (obviously not private, proved further in a few sentences). Simply ask me or Decus to be warped out of OSL, and it will probably (but not assuredly) happen. We have been doing this selectively (but mostly, again, for anyone) so people can see the server in development for themselves and not go off posts alone, since we started working on the server again about 2 months or so ago. Anyone who would have logged on would know this, as the general majority of players who have asked to be warped out of OSL have been, and only not warped out a very small amount (I think 2 players out of like 20 so far).

Gettin pretty tired, so goodnight Graal, for the most part. :P

[kia345]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Uhg, then you should have nothing to go on in this thread, because if nothing I say holds any meaning whatsoever, then how do you have this thread to go off of being I post almost all updates in this thread?
People just seem to post mindlessly A LOT. Thats why I want to just be done arguing. No real point. That was a dumb statement, that contradicted itself in it's own sentence. Proof of a mindless post. If you don't mean my posts, which is pretty retarded if you don't since I am Admin and post almost all updates for the server that this thread is about, then go ahead and take the other posts since we started back up (you can notice the dates, and notice that they are mostly positive posts besides Rufus' one which he can't back up when talking about the server as a whole since he hasen't seen it period). Everything other post is constructive critisim or a postive post about how good the server is turning out so far. Said I was done once, after tonight, done arguing with Kia and Rufus for real. Sweet Lord...

Anyways, wanted to say that there are only 3-4 "insides" left for the beginning town to be completed, including a bit more detail on the levels and some moving around things. The town will be open when it is finished, and released to the public to walk around in. There will be staff blocks shutting off the rest of the gmap until the entire 1/4 side is complete.

The 1/4 side will include a type of "campaign" quest. Probably, finishing the story for it (not the server) will be 8-9 quests we will be working on. This side will most likely be completed in 2-4 weeks from now, quests, levels, and all.

Our initial images and quests may, actually most likely won't, be the complete, finished product though, as we are still a dev server.

The server is public right now, techically, as we typically warp almost anyone out that wants to be warped out that has logged on. For those who think it isn't, anyone can log on (if you think you can't, then you obviously haven't tried whatsoever), it's not a staff only server (obviously not private, proved further in a few sentences). Simply ask me or Decus to be warped out of OSL, and it will probably (but not assuredly) happen. We have been doing this selectively (but mostly, again, for anyone) so people can see the server in development for themselves and not go off posts alone, since we started working on the server again about 2 months or so ago. Anyone who would have logged on would know this, as the general majority of players who have asked to be warped out of OSL have been, and only not warped out a very small amount (I think 2 players out of like 20 so far).

Gettin pretty tired, so goodnight Graal, for the most part. :P

Your words are hollow and empty without the content to back them up. You can't just say "okay, the server is great because..." when the only things backing that up is what little you've posted actually concerning the server, and your words (most of which are hostile self-defense!).

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by kia345

Your words are hollow and empty without the content to back it up

same goes to you kia, you havent seen any screenshot stating this is what the server looks like, and this is the finished progress of the server, all the screenshots where to show scripts / ganis such as the jail system and a auction house.

Why cant you understand that?

the thing that matters is everyone who has seen more then previews of scripts on unfinished levels has been good.

the 4 or 5 levels posted by cyril was not to show the same incomplete level 5 times, it was to show 5 different guis for the auction house. whys it so confusing?

So your criticism would be appriciated towards the jailing system and auction house rather then unfinished work and incomplete levels.

The tileset isnt even finished and it has much more work to go over. Along with levels and some gfx.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

same goes to you kia, you havent seen any screenshot stating this is what the server looks like, and this is the finished progress of the server, all the screenshots where to show scripts / ganis such as the jail system and a auction house.

Why cant you understand that?

What you can't seem to grasp is that I do understand that. I understand you have little to show for the server and are defending it based on what only certain circles of people know about. I don't care what you have to show that you share with only those you deem worthy, that is irrelevant. Instead, I see what everyone else sees, and the vulgar way in which you defend it, and that's why I can hold such a negative opinion of the server.

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

So your criticism would be appriciated towards the jailing system and auction house rather then unfinished work and incomplete levels.

Your fantastic, revolutionary jailing system is almost the same as what's been on GK and Delt for years. I am not impressed.

Auctions/shopping should not be set before the actual content of the server. Content which I know nothing about and instead am being shown these silly distractions.

[scooter123]

To me, it looks pretty cool, of course it's not completely done but I'm fine with it

[Decus_Arillias]

the post of the screenshot was not to show gfx or levels, it was to show a auction house script and preview of what cyril made. You people need to seriously read the post before judging a unfinished level.

if 1 piece out of 625 pieces is blue, is the whole thing blue?

Thats the game im playing rufus, you have no idea what your talking about because all you've seen is 1 piece out of 625 pieces of a whole. and that piece isnt even finished. The screenshot was to show a AH not levels or gfx.

the gmap is 625 levels total.


To correct you cyril, the OLS will not be opened. We scheduled a preview for September 28th so others can see finished progress to date.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

You people need to seriously read the post before judging a unfinished level.

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

What has been presented in this thread is the finished results thus far.

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by Rufus

yea the script, thats what the post he made was about

you have no concept if you think that level is finished.

Must be a curse to be so d simple.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

you have no concept if you think that level is finished.

I don't see where I mentioned anything about the level design?

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I've yet to present a level.

Originally Posted by kia345

Your words are hollow and empty without the content to back them up. You can't just say "okay, the server is great because..." when the only things backing that up is what little you've posted actually concerning the server, and your words (most of which are hostile self-defense!).

So the server has no content I guess, have you been on? Do you know how to read and inform yourself of a thread before you speak? Lets make sure, since there is "no content" to back me up.

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

I've never played any server that has an auction house (maybe kingdoms?), nor the jail system we will have, nor guild involvement in kingdoms whatsoever except a kingdom tag, nor jobs where you can be a blacksmith, tailor, ect (except kingdoms), nor a player house system with moveable furniture and stuff, nor a personal shop system for each individual player that you can access by clicking on them, nor an island for guilds to go at it all the time, nor a script to allow up to 5 wars at once, simultaneously, and started by guild leaders, nor a prospect to put guild cp in-game, nor (except kingdoms maybe) players owning ships, boats, ect and being able to have fights with spells and ranged weapons off the deck, including cannons, boarding other ships, then taking them over and assigning a captain from your own guild/crew, or sinking it, nor pirating, nor mounts that you take care of as pets, nor instruments that have effects on players, and some that even call warps/transportation, nor mounts which include chariots, wagons, and multiple players can ride in (not cars, talking medieval stuff), nor ships that travel from continent to continent and actually move real-time where players walk around on it while waiting (kingdoms again maybe at the most?), nor horizons with a sun and moon that move accordingly to the time, nor weather that is fixed to certain parts of the gmap only to give the effect the continent should have for its weather, nor item creation (zodiac, kingdoms possibly?) that is more indepth than random occurances, nor cigarettes lol, yeah, cigarettes, nor guild houses that can be taken over by any guild at any time, nor guild quests specifically for guilds, nor guild events specifically for guilds, nor events which are more unique than the norm (but apparently according to you they are not) like jousting, archery skills, ect, nor families integrated into the server to fit like local guilds, but can involve family disputes, reputation, ect, nor karaoke on a server by real player (no one better steal this) in a bar...

...I could keep going on.

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Care to point out which of the 13 lines which include 27 ideas, which is only 1/3 of what is planned to be implented as unique (some of them are on kingdoms, I bet you'll only reply to those)??? Btw, a good 1/2 of those are already on our server or in the works right now.

must = "no content". I've pointed this out to Rufus, but since you constantly say you go off this thread for the server, there's no way you missed all that, right?

Originally Posted by kia345

What you can't seem to grasp is that I do understand that. I understand you have little to show for the server and are defending it based on what only certain circles of people know about. I don't care what you have to show that you share with only those you deem worthy, that is irrelevant. Instead, I see what everyone else sees, and the vulgar way in which you defend it, and that's why I can hold such a negative opinion of the server.



Your fantastic, revolutionary jailing system is almost the same as what's been on GK and Delt for years. I am not impressed.

Auctions/shopping should not be set before the actual content of the server. Content which I know nothing about and instead am being shown these silly distractions.

Lol, we were technically hired on Delt, they don't have that jailing system. Saw the server and all they had like 3 months ago or so. Again you state little to no content. You're being more a fool than anything, as you have not logged on and speak about it. Guess what? Armageddon, like I stated in my previous post, is public if you ask to look around. You could have easily seen, but keep speaking as a fool. <- Thats why your opinion doesnt matter. 2 Pages of a book out of 600, foolish.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't see where I mentioned anything about the level design?

Being there aren't too many images besides images for levels, go refer to the quote i brought up already from you talking about fixing GFX or whatever.

On top of that Rufus, still, either 3rd or 4th time in not even 2 days now ... How about replying to the, so called by you, "non-unique" things Armageddon is bringing. Starting to look foolish too b/c there isn't much you can say after I posted that except say that you didn't know or take back what you originally said.

Now instead of you two going in circles, with me presenting what we have and are working on looong ago in this thread now, and saying about 1/2 of it was actually done or getting worked on right now, and with decus saying obviously the levels I took screenshots of to show the Auction House and Jail system, not the unfinished levels (which only a blockhead would think when I post about those 2 things I'm trying to show off levels and not the things I'm talking about), and you still not logging on, but keep going on and on instead of just looking, and you constantly ignoring it all, how is anything you say valid? I would really love to hear an explanation on how either of you two could be valid at giving your statements at all with all you dont know in this paragraph and the many posts me and Decus have posted now.

[Decus_Arillias]

Im defending criticism of incomplete work. Dont be so sensitive if you think in anyway ive been vulgar. What over a avatar?

[Decus_Arillias]

Alright, anyways sola put it best, and im working hard to improve our gfx and tileset and finishing levels so that being said we will release a preview september 28th.

[kia345]

I don't think you even know what you're replying to when you quote me. I'm judging the content of this thread, not what your server has tucked away on the UC tab.

Armageddon could be amazing; I'm not saying it isn't.

But no one will know it's amazing. Because the subforums -this thread- exist to advertise servers. And this thread is severely lacking in anything positive/special concerning Armageddon. Which is all I'm basing my opinion on (ie, I'm basing it on what you've shown us).

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by kia345

I don't think you even know what you're replying to when you quote me. I'm judging the content of this thread, not what your server has tucked away on the UC tab.

Armageddon could be amazing; I'm not saying it isn't.

But no one will know it's amazing. Because the subforums -this thread- exist to advertise servers. And this thread is severely lacking in anything positive/special concerning Armageddon. Which is all I'm basing my opinion on (ie, I'm basing it on what you've shown us).

Well makes things easier when you just say it straight like that, because I've directly said a few times now, this isn't it. I'm not saying it will always be this way on this thread either. I'm not saying you will HAVE to log on, I'm just saying right now, this isn't it, as I don't want to post too much on this thread about Armageddon until we get a few more key things done. I do now understand what you're saying right now isn't rude. But just to say, you did say the server had no content. Doesn't matter now.

All this started because of a comment by Rufus, then me stating directly that he doesn't know, which is a legitimate thing to say, since he really doesn't. Especially compared to all the other people replying, who have been on the server. That was my only point. Sorry it didn't get across (not saying that rude, saying it may have been might fault it didn't for you).

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by kia345

I don't think you even know what you're replying to when you quote me. I'm judging the content of this thread, not what your server has tucked away on the UC tab.

Armageddon could be amazing; I'm not saying it isn't.

But no one will know it's amazing. Because the subforums -this thread- exist to advertise servers. And this thread is severely lacking in anything positive/special concerning Armageddon. Which is all I'm basing my opinion on (ie, I'm basing it on what you've shown us).

i do understand what your judging but in recent posts its very clear to judge what was scripted. Not a screenshot of half a full level thats hardly half complete.

its definatly not showing off what we currently have. Its show exactly what cyril scripted.

it would be like judging a half cooked meal.

[fowlplay4]

That was funny how Rufus said one thing then these extra 4 pages happen.

[Decus_Arillias]

lol giant waist of time is what is was

[WanDaMan]

I like how you turned constructive criticism from Rufus in to insults towards his avatar laughirl.

I like it so far, I'd like to see more. Keep it up!

[Decus_Arillias]

criticism on something that isnt done dosent help at all. Criticism on the finished project is what counts.

Definatly not contructive, The contruction isnt even done.

In other words "the server looks a mess"

kinda like saying that to people right in the middle of building a house,

Wow whys it look like a mess?

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

criticism on something that isnt done dosent help at all. Criticism on the finished project is what counts.

Wouldn you rather make improvements on the un-finished product or have to work on it when it's been deemed as already finished?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

criticism on something that isnt done dosent help at all. Criticism on the finished project is what counts.

Criticism on a finished product is wasted effort, because it is finished... therefor no more changes will be made. Otherwise it is something that is not done, so criticism is best received then.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Criticism on a finished product is wasted effort, because it is finished... therefor no more changes will be made. Otherwise it is something that is not done, so criticism is best received then.

He means in a dev server. We haven't even presented the lv. He's actually ....


uhg ... I am going to try to stop this. Every single person in the world has their own views.

While we do WANT and NEED CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, we would appreciate it better if we were presenting the item to be criticisized. See what I mean? Whether it be you walking around on the server like we let Soala do to give constructive criticism on gfx, or looking at a screenshot of something we are presenting it is appreciated.

Please guys, Armageddon is a large thread of server updates and arguments. Can we please stop the arguments now? :/

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

He means in a dev server. We haven't even presented the lv. He's actually ....

My point was that it's a waste of time to offer critique on a "finished product" which means his statement is pretty much opposite of true. That was my only point in what I said.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

My point was that it's a waste of time to offer critique on a "finished product" which means his statement is pretty much opposite of true. That was my only point in what I said.

Guess we're technically agreeing then, my bad. xD

Our player house system is near complete. We have it where you can hover over furniture that is in your house, hit x to set it to move, then drag to where you want it to go. The class reads which furniture should be on walls and which shouldn't (for pictures and stuff).

Still to go is the actual system on handeling player houses inventory which includes taking furniture in and out of storage. Once this is done, I will add to the system the handeling of buying/renting/selling houses on the gmap, as well as keys to houses (which will be access to a house).

Should be done with this by the end of tomorrow.

I'm actually going to then move on to the movement system, and vamp it up a bit. Right now it is really, really basic. I'm going to hand the replace ganis more effeciently, and add rp style swords, drawing swords for regular hits, diving farther and farther under water ( I believe there are 3 different "levels" of how far you can go down), and then back up, climbing certain parts of cliffs, jumping over certain tiles, and little immediate "emoticons" like grabbing, pulling, ect.

All this should be done by Friday. We are almost done with the first town as well, including insides. Decus has been working his butt off on gfx and levels to make this happen by preview time. I am working on the main bar, instruments, and other little things like that when I get bored from the system scripts.

Deas is also working hard to finish up our main weapons, and polish them to fit our server. Look foward to those soon.

Our preview is in about 2 weeks. I don't think its an "official graal preview", but we will have, at the least, the first town open. You may not be able to do much more than jack around with stuff, but you'll at least be able to get out of OSL at that point so we can give you a style of our server.

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

My point was that it's a waste of time to offer critique on a "finished product" which means his statement is pretty much opposite of true. That was my only point in what I said.

everyone i know offers critique on finished products anyways, some will like it and some wont. I'd rather listen to feedback when the preview is over so we can make adjustments.

My statement is true when we're talking about 1 level out of 625. The finished product would be the server, not 1 half of a level.

maybe we're not on the same page. Dont know

[Decus_Arillias]

funny how you talk so much about altering gfx anyways dusty. All those gfx that are similar from minish cap from Zelda, and arnt you currently / were working on redoing Zelda lttp remake gfx?

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Criticism on a finished product is wasted effort, because it is finished... therefor no more changes will be made. Otherwise it is something that is not done, so criticism is best received then.

theres always room to improved finished things. Especially a level.

Id hate to go along with the criticism and when the guy criticising sees the single part of the level without seeing its surroundings and how it fits in really isnt a type of criticism id listen to. That goes for anyone wearing the same shoe.