Armageddon

[Loakey_P2P]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Hmm? It's Beholder's, and he made the graphics. I'm pretty sure that's the main point here. Yes, see, you can try to wonder where they came from but that's moot because they're not Armageddon's to use, regardless of where they came from.

Amen , beholder showed up and told you they are his images , argument over .

just out of curriousity . if what you said is the truth i would advise against accepting work from this individual again . the reason people don't reconize our names is because we were around graalonline years ago , by the join dates I'd say before all you joined . except ssssss .

[Luda]

By saying they are scared to name what it's from just tells the rest of us that you know what it's from as well, meaning you stole from it. Why don't you admit it yourselves?

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by Luda

By saying they are scared to name what it's from just tells the rest of us that you know what it's from as well, meaning you stole from it. Why don't you admit it yourselves?

i dont know who beholder is and what hes doing, obiously involved with something illegal or he stole content himself.

[Cling]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

i dont know who beholder is and what hes doing, obiously involved with something illegal or he stole content himself.

I am Beholder, and I am not involved in something illegal.
I draw pixel art and commission work for others, and the images used there are reserved within my personal stockpile to do as I please, such as to sell the images or to create my own works with it.

As for the jest I stole that content, I assure you I did not and the work is purely of my own.

[Cling]

If you are in the act of removal. I thank you for your time and effort for this resolution... Given the drama that popped up was the exact reason I did not want someone hosting them on a Graal Online server.

And no, haha. I would never sell the "Graal Online" tileset.
I respect the work Konidias has done on the current pics1.png tileset, and BomyIsland's works. My images (which are not actually tiles) are waiting for an appropriate engine to be made from Suckerfree Games, (whom are also currently my main source of commission work.)

Again, if this is truly resolved, I thank you Decus.
The one responsible for giving you the images (I know who they are from the previous contact) is currently unavailable. Believe me, I want to give him another ear full...

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by Cling

If you are in the act of removal. I thank you for your time and effort for this resolution... Given the drama that popped up was the exact reason I did not want someone hosting them on a Graal Online server.

And no, haha. I would never sell the "Graal Online" tileset.
I respect the work Konidias has done on the current pics1.png tileset, and BomyIsland's works. My images (which are not actually tiles) are waiting for an appropriate engine to be made from Suckerfree Games, (whom are also currently my main source of commission work.)

Again, if this is truly resolved, I thank you Decus.
The one responsible for giving you the images (I know who they are from the previous contact) is currently unavailable. Believe me, I want to give him another ear full...

I'm glad you popped on and paid for Graal from Graal Reborn (which I can prove, along with illegal graal dvds that include stolen servers and ****) which is technically an illegal game. Dusty and Rufus and "That random character" knew about this from the getgo. Why? I had to search over and over again for this.

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by Cling

If you are in the act of removal. I thank you for your time and effort for this resolution... Given the drama that popped up was the exact reason I did not want someone hosting them on a Graal Online server.

And no, haha. I would never sell the "Graal Online" tileset.
I respect the work Konidias has done on the current pics1.png tileset, and BomyIsland's works. My images (which are not actually tiles) are waiting for an appropriate engine to be made from Suckerfree Games, (whom are also currently my main source of commission work.)

Again, if this is truly resolved, I thank you Decus.
The one responsible for giving you the images (I know who they are from the previous contact) is currently unavailable. Believe me, I want to give him another ear full...

its resolved in either me redoing days of work or just dropping the project all together. Either way they'll be removed not because i personally think its stolen. im about 50/50 on the whole issue. Only removing them because of the drama.

[Precise]

It doesn't matter if I know what it's from. Why? I'm not the one involved with that crap nor will I ever be. I support Graal Online.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Precise

It doesn't matter if I know what it's from. Why? I'm not the one involved with that crap nor will I ever be. I support Graal Online.

Who the **** cares? That's not what this discussion is about, it's about the stolen graphics.

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Who the **** cares? That's not what this discussion is about, it's about the stolen graphics.

i care about where the **** is came from, Since theft is being brought up, thats the main subject now retard

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Precise

It doesn't matter if I know what it's from. Why? I'm not the one involved with that crap nor will I ever be. I support Graal Online.

So it's okay to steal from people you don't like?

This thread has taken a surprising turn for the scandalous!

[Precise]

Originally Posted by kia345

So it's okay to steal from people you don't like?

This thread has taken a surprising turn for the scandalous!

Yes, and why? Because of third-party bandwagoners like yourself. You have nothing to do with the conflict.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Precise

Yes, and why? Because of third-party bandwagoners like yourself. You have nothing to do with the conflict.

As a paying customer, I would like to be ensured that the servers I am paying to access are developed properly by the administration: not shortcuts involving thievery and otherwise low quality content. I am concerned as a consumer and supporter of Graal that this server be held to the same standards as any other work I would pay for.

As a developer, I would like to make sure that no one else is profiting off someone else's hard work, especially when they first refuse to acknowledge that it's not their work, and then use the source of the work as an excuse to use it. People put time and effort into trying to provide players with high quality content and exercising their own development abilities, where do these guys get off using someone else's work as their own?

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

I'm only making things worse for you, eye of beholder, illegal graal user that participates in illegal dvd steals of graal playerworlds. Now that I know where you are from, you stealer of graal and illegal user, I WILL contact a PWA to ban you, Diusty, and Rufus, since apparently from when you guys posted, you KNEW where it came from. Its very obvious now.

There's no rule saying they can't be in contact with him. What if they're old friends? What if they're friends in real life? Just because they associate does not mean they take part in the same activities.

You are a sorry for nothing troll that posts random and useless crap in just about any thread. Players, look it up in all her posts, you can easily see. Not that hard. Simply click on her username, and select all posted or whatever it is.

BAHAHAH

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by Cling

Please stop trying to make things worse. What ever is shocking, is not related to this current handling. I've already lost a few good hours on an active commission and drama is never a good thing before an early morning shift...

I'm only making things worse for you, eye of beholder, illegal graal user that participates in illegal dvd steals of graal playerworlds. Now that I know where you are from, you stealer of graal and illegal user, I WILL contact a PWA to ban you, Diusty, and Rufus, since apparently from when you guys posted, you KNEW where it came from. Its very obvious now. \

Originally Posted by kia345

So it's okay to steal from people you don't like?

This thread has taken a surprising turn for the scandalous!

Nah, I said it came from where I said it came from. you want to talk about "stealing" than take it up with graal rules when you upload things and how it is graals. You are a sorry for nothing troll that posts random and useless crap in just about any thread. Players, look it up in all her posts, you can easily see. Not that hard. Simply click on her username, and select all posted or whatever it is.

[Precise]

Development using clients of Graal for public use on Graal Online is against the EULA/ToS, is it not?

Therefore void.

[DustyPorViva]

"Hey, what, we stole stuff? Well how about those Giants..."

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

i care about where the **** is came from, Since theft is being brought up, thats the main subject now retard

It's his graphics, he is free to do with it what he cares. It's his own personal project and he doesn't have to disclose anything to anyone other than to tell you to get his work off of your server. I already posted a screenshot of his graphics being used in their intended manner(the screenshot is more complete and the graphics fit stylistically together, instead of being a complication of random graphics).

[Decus_Arillias]

wow if thats the case thumbs up for some wall images i was given and my additions to them.

[sssssssssss]

Hold on. I'll search google and see what I find. Then if I can find it on google we'll know where Dusty, Rufus, Cling, and that random account thats like never posted on here got it from.

We'll see if PWA's are allowed to support it, and go from there. From what I've heard, once you upload it on graal its graal property unless otherwise noted. If it's copyrighted as of when we posted it per RC, we'd be glad to say we made a mistake, its not bad to have on here, its not something someone was doing bad, and take it off.

I was told by Rufus it was from graal reborn, whatever that is, so I'll search that too...

[Precise]

Loakey_P2P, please read this thread again.

Cyril never stated he was personally contacted by him, however; he did receive them from somebody.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Precise

Loakey_P2P, please read this thread again.

Cyril never stated he was personally contacted by him, however; he did receive them from somebody.

Just because someone else stole them and gave them to Armageddon still does not give them the right to use it. It doesn't matter where you got it if it's not yours.

[Loakey_P2P]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Just because someone else stole them and gave them to Armageddon still does not give them the right to use it. It doesn't matter where you got it if it's not yours.

im not saying it's the server's fault . i blame who ever sent them to the guys . but that aside someone did say they were e-mailed to them . that's the person to keep an eye on , least where their work is concerned .

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by Cling

I am Beholder, and I am not involved in something illegal.
I draw pixel art and commission work for others, and the images used there are reserved within my personal stockpile to do as I please, such as to sell the images or to great my own works with it.

As for the jest I stole that content, I assure you I did not and the work is purely of my own.

Cling or whoever you claim to be, i can assure you even if we were given stolen content and did a **** load of work with it and added a lot of content to and from, (obiously outside of our osl for the blockheads who are simple minded)
the wall images and what was emailed wont be used because i honestly am sick and tired of fighting about things. These images were emailed to us about 5-6 months ago so you can only imagion the work ive done with them.

The images will be taken out and ill just question myself if i should let people continue playing garbage UN and Era and just use my time elsewhere.

if you honestly do have illegal graals then i hope you can only be as right as myself.

PS: if those tiles are yours then you must be making money off stefan for using some of graals orgional tiles that were within the tileset.

This content was and is 16X16 pixel tiles and is in graal form of its orgional source. Thats why its hard to believe you made and are making profit from it

[Decus_Arillias]

Yeah i would like to add to that also, there was a lot of orgional graal tiles with these tilesets. Even bombs and graal scripts with them. So if this is something you support dusty and any others then i can guess your only involved.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

Yeah i would like to add to that also, there was a lot of orgional graal tiles with these tilesets. Even bombs and graal scripts with them. So if this is something you support dusty and any others then i can guess your only involved.

Dunno if there are original Graal graphics, don't care. Whoever sent you the tileset in the e-mail could have just taken Beholder's graphics and inserted them in a bunch of other random Graal tiles that they collected. Since the tileset was e-mailed to you, you have no way of knowing, no?

All I know is that Beholder's graphics are being used on Armageddon and they shouldn't be. Yet here all the staff are trying to act like victims or trying to flip stuff around on other, but you're all just evading the issue here. You could have just said, "Oh, sorry I didn't know they were someone else's. Someone sent it in an e-mail, I'll remove them." But that would be too logical, instead you do everything but address the issue. And this is why this thread is so many pages long. Yes, it sucks to have to redo a lot of work that was based on stolen images, but that doesn't change the fact that the images were stolen. Pity doesn't grant you rights.

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Dunno if there are original Graal graphics, don't care. Whoever sent you the tileset in the e-mail could have just taken Beholder's graphics and inserted them in a bunch of other random Graal tiles that they collected. Since the tileset was e-mailed to you, you have no way of knowing, no?

All I know is that Beholder's graphics are being used on Armageddon and they shouldn't be. Yet here all the staff are trying to act like victims or trying to flip stuff around on other, but you're all just evading the issue here. You could have just said, "Oh, sorry I didn't know they were someone else's. Someone sent it in an e-mail, I'll remove them." But that would be too logical, instead you do everything but address the issue. And this is why this thread is so many pages long. Yes, it sucks to have to redo a lot of work that was based on stolen images, but that doesn't change the fact that the images were stolen. Pity doesn't grant you rights.

is it too logical to say the guy who emailed to us is a close friend? ive known him much longer then any of you, and its been months, thats why i was personally confused and was wondering the reasons. We felt like victims, your not in our place so dont waist your feelings on a issue that isnt the same.Im not looking for pity obiously i was looking for answers. Your still acting like a retard

[Loakey_P2P]

@ Decus - the real shame here is that your project is stepping back cause of this . graalonline really does need some new servers and its nice to see a classic style one going back to the things that have long since vanished like sparring . don't get discouraged , keep up the hard work .

[Cling]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

"That random character" knew about this from the getgo.

Mildly unrelated but I believe his real name is Devon, I do not know his Graal Online account.

Haha, and thank you too, Dusty; But if the situation is resolved, it shouldn't require further instigation. Mostly likely all of the images in that email weren't renamed and started with "eye_". Guess I'll have to remember to watermark or sign the rest of my work.

[sssssssssss]

Originally Posted by Cling

Mildly unrelated but I believe his real name is Devon, I do not know his Graal Online account.

Haha, and thank you too, Dusty; But if the situation is resolved, it shouldn't require further instigation. Mostly likely all of the images in that email weren't renamed and started with "eye_". Guess I'll have to remember to watermark or sign the rest of my work.

I don't really care about what you say and will give the PWA's further investigation, along with mine, about how Dusty and Rufus knew about this as well as you, and let them continue my invenstigation further to figure out to do with me(as I am the one that put all that up), as well as Dusty and Rufus.


I'll contact you in a few days Graal. The stuff I found is shocking and should result in dramatic stuff.

[Cling]

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

The stuff I found is shocking and should result in dramatic stuff.

Please stop trying to make things worse. What ever is shocking, is not related to this current handling. I've already lost a few good hours on an active commission and drama is never a good thing before an early morning shift...

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by Cling

Mildly unrelated but I believe his real name is Devon, I do not know his Graal Online account.

Haha, and thank you too, Dusty; But if the situation is resolved, it shouldn't require further instigation. Mostly likely all of the images in that email weren't renamed and started with "eye_". Guess I'll have to remember to watermark or sign the rest of my work.

im not going through all the images tonight. So the server is locked to staff only for now.

[Decus_Arillias]

Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

im not going through all the images tonight. So the server is locked to staff only for now.

Additional info is i actually removed all content simply because theres just too much work to go through.

[Cling]

I am completely unrelated to "dvd steals of playerworlds", I like my work to be original.
Wether or not I am an "Illegal Graal User" is also completely unrelated to anything...
If they truely wish for me to be banned, that is beside the point.

Thanks for everyone's support, sorry for everyone's troubles; And I hope you take care as well, Cyril. You're certainly an... Interesting fellow. You remind me of how the forums used to be years ago. Just remember, there is a bigger world out there.

[sssssssssss]

Armageddon is done. Sorry Hiro, I know you loved it, but continue on SOMEWHERE with our ideas. I wont even post our stuff, not in rudeness, but in pride. I made too many things to stupid ass dusty and rufus to even see.

Hiro keep our idea alive. Start it somewhere else where **** wont get dropped down on. BTW keep it staff only so ****s dont ruin it.

I will be contacting a PWA concerning eye of the beholder, dusty, and rufus. That will be my last action on graal.


I am sorry for all those who were supportive and looked foward to Armageddon. Hella, we have like 10k view lol, arguments and updates. I hope Sage, Precise, or someone else takes our ideas and makes it awesome on graal. You guys know what we were doing. Good luck graal, hope you die and just go to iphone and be ***. Goodbye.

[Precise]

Funny thing is half the servers on the Classic tab have modified/stolen graphics, scripts, ideas, etc.

Gotta love the underground hate flowing. Such a great project with an insane amount of potential, sad to see it rest.

I wish you the best of luck with everything in life, Cyril. -- Same for you Decus! I'll keep in touch.

-Pre

[fowlplay4]

So honest opinions can kill servers now, cool.

[Precise]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

So honest opinions can kill servers now, cool.

Moderators should have intervened, IF there were active ones. They weren't honest opinions, go back and re-read through the course of action that took place.

[Loakey_P2P]

you can't really blame them , there can't be one on at all times .

[Precise]

Originally Posted by Loakey_P2P

you can't really blame them , there can't be one on at all times .

So you're telling me I'm paying 30.00CAD for a staff member to occasionally lurk the forums? If the game is still selling active memberships for that outrageous price, I better damn EXPECT an active moderator on.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Precise

Moderators should have intervened, IF there were active ones. They weren't honest opinions, go back and re-read through the course of action that took place.

Although I'm not officially part of the moderation team, I can understand from their standpoint that it is not always possible to read every single post in every single thread, every hour of every day.

My attention was directed here by the "Reported posts" function. On that note, moderation is a two-way street and users should be reporting posts to keep moderators in the loop.

I will now be locking this thread as it has gone far beyond "healthy debate".

[coreys]

Also, wow, you're getting content up that fast? If you are, then DAMN. I hope it's good, don't rush things.