Developing should be free for servers that are staff-only

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Being a "development platform", I would expect even greater emphasis on updating the tools that we need to develop, yet I've seen virtually no updates in several years.

You've paied, more then once I assume, for the tools you have been given. That does not give you any right what so ever to demand more tools, all you can do is ask for them.

It's simple really - if you don't like what there is already, then DON'T pay.

[Darklux]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

You've paied, more then once I assume, for the tools you have been given. That does not give you any right what so ever to demand more tools, all you can do is ask for them.

It's simple really - if you don't like what there is already, then DON'T pay.

Fake argument.
You don't throw the television out of your window because you don't like one show.

[jorollychu]

sounds guude

[Mark Sir Link]

if I had to guess the majority of people continuing to develop on private servers are people without lifetime classic who need to pay to continue accessing Graal's other servers.

The other portion of the developers are the server owners.

I doubt much revenue is being generated by Lifetime Classic players upgrading to Gold for development purposes.

[DustyPorViva]

I think such a proposal is never going to happen, even if it is a good idea. I haven't seen Graal take any sort of change that would actually mean less income in a long, long time.

However, I would at least like to see those servers on the classic list get more support. Why should a server that has more players than the Gold servers have to pay for a dev server? Why should any of the people who are on the classic list have to pay for anything? From what I can see, those servers are doing more for Graal than any of the 'official' servers.

[BlueMelon]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I think such a proposal is never going to happen, even if it is a good idea. I haven't seen Graal take any sort of change that would actually mean less income in a long, long time.

However, I would at least like to see those servers on the classic list get more support. Why should a server that has more players than the Gold servers have to pay for a dev server? Why should any of the people who are on the classic list have to pay for anything? From what I can see, those servers are doing more for Graal than any of the 'official' servers.

This is for sure.
I agree.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

... Why should a server that has more players than the Gold servers have to pay for a dev server? Why should any of the people who are on the classic list have to pay for anything? From what I can see, those servers are doing more for Graal than any of the 'official' servers.

These are great questions. Valikorlia had to release its latest update unfinished because we couldn't keep our dev server.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

These are great questions. Valikorlia had to release its latest update unfinished because we couldn't keep our dev server.

Took an arm and a leg to get Era's dev server. wasn't my arm or leg though so it's all good

[CharlieM]

Originally Posted by salesman

Took an arm and a leg to get Era's dev server. wasn't my arm or leg though so it's all good

and at one time a sabre

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by salesman

Title pretty much says it all, but I don't think we should have to upgrade an account just to work on a server. If the server has staffonly set to true in the serveroptions, anyone with a registered account (whether it be gold, lifetime classic, or even trial) should be allowed to work there without limitations.

I'm sure some of you will say, "Whoa man, won't Graal lose tons of money?" Graal would still be making money from server rentals, and I'd imagine that more people would be willing to invest in a server knowing that their friends can work with them without upgrading. If/when the server decides to open up for players, accounts will need the appropriate subscription.

As someone who has rented a server, I know how hard it can be to find developers. The most common response I had when trying to get people to work with me was "I don't want to pay to work" -- who would?

A Global Development Team sounds nice, sure, but if you're really interested in helping developers, stop making them pay to develop your game.

You sort of have a point.
BUT yet again, you're wrong when you say "YOUR game".
This is pretty much OUR game, if it was their game, you probally wouldn't be playing Graal, they could be rude enough to take away staff positions, and no more uploaders, and have only classic/gold servers.

I know it's pretty crazy to upgrade just to develop, but it's basically a donation to help out GraalOnline. They DON'T have to let us create our own servers any way we want as long as it follows the rules.

P.S. When I say "OUR", I mean the players and GraalOnline.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

P.S. When I say "OUR", I mean the players and GraalOnline.

i think you meant developers

[Lime_O_Matic]

Nice idea

[DuBsTeRmAn]

I have only readed the first page, All i have to say is Yes.. And i don't think that Graal would lose money with it.

People would buy more servers because they only have to pay for the server, And the staff doesn't have to pay to work.. Which makes more people want to dev ---> More servers --> More cash --> Makes stefan happy

[fowlplay4]

This thread is old, we've moved on.

[DesolateRestriction]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

This thread is old, we've moved on.

Yet the issues outlined in this thread still exist...