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Soala · #1 06-19-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

On Era and Zodiac I was constantly being killed the moment I left OSL.

LOL SO TRUE.
They never bothered to fix that or do anything about that.
I guess that's why I never bothered to play them aswell. Maybe a bit Era, but that was a long time ago.

LoneAngelIbesu · #2 06-19-2009, 11:50 PM

A topic dedicated to complaining. How original.

Hiro · #3 06-20-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

A topic dedicated to complaining. How original.

a response that contributes to the thread

...wait

p2p_Sir_Link · #4 06-20-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

A topic dedicated to complaining. How original.

I hope Stefan, Stephane, and the PWA don't take this same idiotic attitude, unless their goal is to kill Graal

LoneAngelIbesu · #5 06-20-2009, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

I hope Stefan, Stephane, and the PWA don't take this same idiotic attitude, unless their goal is to kill Graal

What do Stefan, Unixmad, and the PWAs have to do with it? If you're so upset that Classic servers don't have guides, then go complain to the managers.

Graal is a pretty static community, and Classic servers have existed for 10+ years. At least, Valikorlia has been around since the beginning. Do you honestly expect guides to be written now? Do you really think it's imperative that tutorials are scripted? And, in any case, why would you ask for them here, instead of going straight to the servers themselves?

Inverness · #6 06-20-2009, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

A topic dedicated to complaining. How original.

And naturally your first post involves complaining about the topic instead of contributing to it.

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Do you really think it's imperative that tutorials are scripted?

Unlike you, I consider playerworlds to be games. And any modern decently made game will provide some form of direction and instruction on how to play.

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

And, in any case, why would you ask for them here, instead of going straight to the servers themselves?

Because that is what forums are for, if the playerworld staff don't use the forums then it's their own stupid fault they don't receive all the input they should be getting.

LoneAngelIbesu · #7 06-20-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

Unlike you, I consider playerworlds to be games. And any modern decently made game will provide some form of direction and instruction on how to play.

... Because that is what forums are for, if the playerworld staff don't use the forums then it's their own stupid fault they don't receive all the input they should be getting.

You're the chief NAT on Valikorlia, in case you've forgotten. You should be perfectly capable of creating a tutorial, if you really think it's that important.

I really don't see what all the fuss is. When I first logged on to Zodiac, I believe there was a little tutorial quest. When I first logged on to UN, I learned pretty quickly what I was supposed to do. Graal servers aren't incredibly complicated or intricate.

What's ridiculous is that experienced players are always the ones saying that newbies wouldn't understand something. I don't remember the last time a newbie posted something like this.

EDIT: I'm not saying that I think tutorials are stupid idea, and should never be done. My opinion is that "Mark Sir Link" is severely underestimating the ability of new players to figure out what to do, and is exaggerating the assumed 'impact' not having tutorials and guides has on Graal's population and financial figures.

EDIT AGAIN: Also, even if these forums are meant for playerworld suggestions, such suggestions would more likely be quickly received and noted if they were given to the staff directly.

Frankie · #8 06-20-2009, 02:33 AM

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On Era and Zodiac I was constantly being killed the moment I left OSL.

on Zodiac I can see this being true, but on Era it's way over exaggerated. I don't see how you were being so killed easily unless you ran out and stood still making yourself an extremely vulnerable target. if you simply run away from the person shooting at you then there is a much higher chance at surviving. not to mention there are so many different no-pk buildings around unstick me that you can run into to avoid being killed.

it's different on Zodiac. you have all these spells that slow you down and freeze you in place which makes you an easy target when you leave osl. on Era, it's completely different. you really have to be beyond bad at Graal if you let yourself constantly get killed on Era upon leaving unstick me.

Hiro · #9 06-20-2009, 02:51 AM

quite frankly if you can't run away from the people who are level 50 and above or whatever and they also have swords and axes and such, then you are definitely going to get killed. run away until you get away and then level up or however it is you go about leveling and acquiring awesome weapons in zodiac and era or whatever server, and then kill them

get friends who have awesome stuff already if you wanna go about it the easy way, since RPGs only work if you spend time on it

acaremon02 · #10 06-20-2009, 05:07 AM

I agree with this thread.

This is going to sound stupid but,
we should treat newbies like newborn babies.
Assume that they have never played a video game before.
Teach them about which key does what -
how to move, how to open the inventory, how to slash, pick up bushes, how to use items..

And teach them where to go.
Many games have an exclaimation mark or a map marking on where the player should go/head towards.

I'm not sure if it's possible to script such things on Graal, but perhaps it'll be more helpful to new players.
Many are young and haven't played other computer games before,
some haven't interacted with so many people they haven't met before.
If I were a newbie on an mmorpg, I would be a bit frightened to ask others for help. There are a lot of rude people on mmo games, who could I possibly trust?

zokemon · #11 06-20-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by acaremon02

I'm not sure if it's possible to script such things on Graal, but perhaps it'll be more helpful to new players.
Many are young and haven't played other computer games before,
some haven't interacted with so many people they haven't met before.
If I were a newbie on an mmorpg, I would be a bit frightened to ask others for help. There are a lot of rude people on mmo games, who could I possibly trust?

It's actually more then possible, it's pretty easy. Most people just don't want to do it I guess.

acaremon02 · #12 06-20-2009, 12:26 PM

About Newbies:

I don't know about you people but I know I'm not the most social person around. No, it's NOT that easy to trust people on Graal. The first time I logged on UN and Era, I get PK'd, made fun of for being a "newbie", and get shot at with weird NPC's. I haven't even said anything.. Would this make me WANT to ask for help, at all?

About Staff:

Staff on servers are divided, Development/FAQ/GP (development breaks down to GAT, NAT, LAT, etc) --
unlike on other MMORPG's where everyone is considered a Game Master.

Staff on servers are known for ignoring newbies if they are not FAQ, or pushing responsibilities around. Unprofessional, or UNPROFESSIONAL?

I think it's the developers duty to help ease new players into this unhealthy environment and help them understand this is how it works (;-_-) around here.

Vima · #13 06-20-2009, 12:50 PM

But I don't get it?
Almost every server out there have a "Newbie Course".
That should be enough!

Soala · #14 06-20-2009, 02:31 PM

Any server out there have this bunch of people who played for a long time and just don't want some new competition, so they just ignore newbies or just kill them.
Still on the exemple of Zodiac, anybody new or who didn't play Zodiac from the very start is getting killed in the first 30s of the game, and that's a real problem because only a few players stay and try to be strong, but it takes even more time to get there.

That's why most of them are not even bothered playing.

Cloven · #15 06-20-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alexandralove

Any server out there have this bunch of people who played for a long time and just don't want some new competition, so they just ignore newbies or just kill them.
Still on the exemple of Zodiac, anybody new or who didn't play Zodiac from the very start is getting killed in the first 30s of the game, and that's a real problem because only a few players stay and try to be strong, but it takes even more time to get there.

That's why most of them are not even bothered playing.

Between that, the ability for friends to power-level their noob friends, and questionable staff, I've never bothered sticking around.