Bring back Classic levels and hit detection? - Page 8

dmhabe · #1 05-06-2009, 07:43 PM

If you have Default HD why isn't it server wide.... The experience of players logging on is automatically greeted by Classic's hit detection which deters them from staying. They are not going out of their way to Exodus spar into a separate room to spar.

xnervNATx · #2 05-06-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhabe

If you have Default HD why isn't it server wide.... The experience of players logging on is automatically greeted by Classic's hit detection which deters them from staying. They are not going out of their way to Exodus spar into a separate room to spar.

that why Supernick new arena is coming back for.

dmhabe · #3 05-06-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

that why Supernick new arena is coming back for.

That made no sense, the point is default HD should be automatically server wide, designating a spar arena or room to default HD is not a fix.

Rufus · #4 05-06-2009, 07:50 PM

The fact that Warhawk is now posting makes me wish I could actually see those who actually voted in the poll.

contego · #5 05-06-2009, 07:51 PM

Bell,

You are taking this personally as if it's an attack on you as a person. Master Storm did too at first. This is not a blow at anyone, it's a chance for progress. Look at the poll results. The interest is there. Stay focused on the issue at hand. The HD.

xnervNATx · #6 05-06-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by contego

Bell,

You are taking this personally as if it's an attack on you as a person. Master Storm did too at first. This is not a blow at anyone, it's a chance for progress. Look at the poll results. The interest is there. Stay focused on the issue at hand. The HD.

changing the hd 6 times is not what i call progress

Bell · #7 05-06-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by contego

Bell,

You are taking this personally as if it's an attack on you as a person. Master Storm did too at first. This is not a blow at anyone, it's a chance for progress. Look at the poll results. The interest is there. Stay focused on the issue at hand. The HD.

I'm taking nothing personally at all. I was doing a summary of the multiple threads regarding the state of Classic over the years. I'm also not having a global burnout. I currently only have two servers wanting drastic changes made. My exhaustion limit is 4. Thats when pissy Bell comes out.
The Masterstorm comment was only put in as this is the traditional next step of the process each time a poll is put up. As will be the blaming of my interference in Classic's issues. People just haven't got there yet.

I would like to thank you for your support to me as a global. I was unaware you were the cause of my gaining this status. All this time I thought it came solely from Lyndzey and Ibonic, but I digress.

In regards to hit detection. I believe I did touch on that without using those exact words. Quite a few developers have offered their help yet quickly realized they were in too deep and left. Unless you actually scripted for Classic you wouldn't understand that the movement and HD are intertwined.
They can be seperated on a small scale as has been done with a few of the spars but for pking in general its far more complicated. This happens to be the current issue being discussed between Thor and Storm. Each method requires different actions regarding what the development team focuses on and what staff qualifications are required. Obviously this is not something visible to average players, hence the feeling that nothing is being done.

contego · #8 05-06-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell

I'm taking nothing personally at all. I was doing a summary of the multiple threads regarding the state of Classic over the years. I'm also not having a global burnout. I currently only have two servers wanting drastic changes made. My exhaustion limit is 4. Thats when pissy Bell comes out.
The Masterstorm comment was only put in as this is the traditional next step of the process each time a poll is put up. As will be the blaming of my interference in Classic's issues. People just haven't got there yet.

I would like to thank you for your support to me as a global. I was unaware you were the cause of my gaining this status. All this time I thought it came solely from Lyndzey and Ibonic, but I digress.

In regards to hit detection. I believe I did touch on that without using those exact words. Quite a few developers have offered their help yet quickly realized they were in too deep and left. Unless you actually scripted for Classic you wouldn't understand that the movement and HD are intertwined.
They can be seperated on a small scale as has been done with a few of the spars but for pking in general its far more complicated. This happens to be the current issue being discussed between Thor and Storm. Each method requires different actions regarding what the development team focuses on and what staff qualifications are required. Obviously this is not something visible to average players, hence the feeling that nothing is being done.

A few things:

1. Yes, my disappointing Ex GM Asst and I had Lynzdey hired back in '02 or '03 and we spoke about making you a global. That shouldn't come as a surprise.

2. In regards to the work needed for Classic; Rome wasn't built in one night.

3. I was successful with Shaded Legend for some time because I had a STRONG team and they had good leadership.

4. We knew what the big picture was and we worked as a team. Classic needs the same.

5. I'm not saying the current team is not good, but they need more help. There have been a few volunteers.

6. This is just the first step, and the first obstacle is convincing the current staff what the players want in the content. HD.

dmhabe · #9 05-06-2009, 07:52 PM

Oh and your opinion is any better then mine Rufus? just because you have 3,100 posts doesn't make you have any more significance

Rufus · #10 05-06-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhabe

Oh and your opinion is any better then mine Rufus? just because you have 3,100 posts doesn't make you have any more significance

The fact that I have actually played Classic makes much more significance. You have never.

dmhabe · #11 05-06-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

The fact that I have actually played Classic makes much more significance. You have never.

I was not a regular player you are right, I rarely logged on it. The vote isn't whether or not people who voted play/played Classic. The poll represents current/future players who would play if it was fixed. I don't see the correlation of you trying to bash another player for your 3,102 post. They are not going to give you a E-Medal for Graalonline Forum posts.

Rufus · #12 05-06-2009, 08:02 PM

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I only have to repeat myself because you are too slow to contemplate whats been said the first time. I don't waste my life on the forums like you, I actually play the game.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...posted&t=85415

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Originally Posted by dmhabe

I was not a regular player you are right, I rarely logged on it. The vote inst whether or not people who voted play/played Classic. The poll represents current/future players who would play if it was fixed. I don't see the correlation of you trying to bash another player for your 3,102 post. They are not going to give you a E-Medal for Graalonline Forum posts.

You were asked to come on and vote in a poll that you know very little behind aside from the fact that Unholy Nation has default hit detection. That just goes to show that this thread isn't really about what people want, it's about what they think they want or what they friends want. I could have asked my friends to come and vote whatever and would I have then been able to pull the poll results card? No, because the poll isn't a true reflection of the question nor the answers that it is hiding behind.

unknown · #13 05-06-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhabe

Oh and your opinion is any better then mine Rufus? just because you have 3,100 posts doesn't make you have any more significance

yeah, 3100 posts of harassment and negative comments.

Rufus · #14 05-06-2009, 07:56 PM

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yeah, 3100 posts of harassment and negative comments.

Better than 83 posts of repeating myself

unknown · #15 05-06-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Better than 83 posts of repeating myself

I only have to repeat myself because you are too slow to contemplate whats been said the first time. I don't waste my life on the forums like you, I actually play the game.

And you actually "PLAY CLASSIC" huh? yeah right, everytime I've ever seen you around, you're talking trash on graal just like you do on the forums...either that or you're idling. Please.....

BlackSolider · #16 05-06-2009, 08:03 PM

If anything, we need to gather anyone willing who can start to make a default system compatible with Classic's current systems.

But we still need to work on other problems as well (tickets, quests, prizes, card game, other content projects, etc.)

Can most of us agree on this?

dmhabe · #17 05-06-2009, 08:05 PM

How do you know what I want or what I know....3,103 posts your going strong

Rufus · #18 05-06-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhabe

How do you know what I want or what I know....3,103 posts your going strong

How can you want something back that you never even played on in the first place? Not very logical there, and that is how I know.

dmhabe · #19 05-06-2009, 08:19 PM

If you learn to read you wouldn't have to type so much. I admitted to not being a active regular player, that does not mean I never played Classic. The topic is Hit Detection and Levels. Not hard to logically want the better of the two back. 3,104 no stopping you.

If anything you should be supporting us, when they fix the HD and people log on Classic again you will finally be able to rant and argue with people. You won't have to come on the Graalonline Forums and make 3,105 negative posts

xnervNATx · #20 05-06-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhabe

If you learn to read you wouldn't have to type so much. I admitted to not being a active regular player, that does not mean I never played Classic. The topic is Hit Detection and Levels. Not hard to logically want the better of the two back. 3,104 no stopping you.

look , npulse has default hd and i dont see any dam players log to pk !

dmhabe · #21 05-06-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

look , npulse has default hd and i dont see any dam players log to pk !

Your bringing up another server that changed for the worse, NP used to be the hub for pking back in the day. Taking a different step in development ruined the server. Graal is Graal not a different fantasy game no matter what tile set, event, role playing events you incorporate.

unknown · #22 05-06-2009, 08:24 PM

wow, just because I play UN apparently now, and left classic behind years ago, ADMINS ON CLASSIC HAVE THE RIGHT TO KICK ME OFF WITH A MESSAGE: walk back to towncenter, its calling you, im sure youre more welcome there.

its obviously the staff who are the downfall and these nazi minded players they have created.

Remonq · #23 05-06-2009, 08:25 PM

i didn't disconnect you wtf

unknown · #24 05-06-2009, 08:31 PM

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i didn't disconnect you wtf

not saying you did, but someone sure did. probably DC because he doesnt like my opinions on his developing. but that doesnt give him the right to do what he did and that def wont get people playing classic again.

wait Dark Cloud just confirmed he did. communist nazi, no wonder classic is dead.

unknown · #25 05-06-2009, 08:35 PM

Dark Cloud: UN is a piece of trash.
Me: you should take notes since they are functioning in every department and have an active player count.
Dark Cloud: classic has a community which UN lacks. I only play graal to talk to my friends, it doesnt matter if UN has all of that.
Me: well then go download a chat client.

obviously someone who only cares to use graal as a chat client has no idea what it takes to get players PLAYING there. god...

Remonq · #26 05-06-2009, 08:36 PM

well yeah we don't agree. you're going about it all wrong. you can't FORCE your opinions/beliefs onto somebody and get it to work. what you're doing is a waste of time and if you enjoy wasting your time then please, continue

unknown · #27 05-06-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Remonq

well yeah we don't agree. you're going about it all wrong. you can't FORCE your opinions/beliefs onto somebody and get it to work. what you're doing is a waste of time and if you enjoy wasting your time then please, continue

how am I forcing my beliefs? look at the poll already, NO ONE LIKES THE CURRENT HIT DETECTION.

unknown · #28 05-06-2009, 08:40 PM

Dark Clouds reasoning behind not making changes:

"You will all just come here for 10 days and then quit again"

his real reasoning is he keeps stating he doesnt like us because we are from a different server.

Sorry, I would be playing it loyally so shut it.

DarkCloud_PK · #29 05-06-2009, 08:47 PM

Thanks for speaking for me, but the main point I've been saying is that a mere HD switch to default is not going to magically save classic. It won't bring any players here, I could turn off the HD we have now for a week and it would be just as dead as it is now.

Don't believe me? I could have it done, but I know the result already, so what's the point.

A default HD wont mask all the other, larger problems that classic faces.
Not to mention you keep forgetting the aspect of community and what a vital role that plays in a successful server.

Let me remind you again, let's go back 5 years, a couple months before the npc server switch, the HD was DEFAULT, the levels were the GTA levels.

What was the player count?
30.
UN was at 200+.

Clearly it's the HD that is the problem, even though it didn't solve anything 5 years ago.

and as for contego blaming storm for starting the whole mess with custom systems and HD. it isn't his fault, it was forced on him to make everything serverside in the sake of security, so Graal Classic wouldn't be the trainer infested zone it was before. If you want to direct your blame on the custom systems of classic being created, divert your blame to stefan, he was the one that made that call.

Edit: Let me dumb down my point in one simple sentence.
Classic was dying long before default HD was removed.

contego · #30 05-06-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Thanks for speaking for me, but the main point I've been saying is that a mere HD switch to default is not going to magically save classic. It won't bring any players here, I could turn off the HD we have now for a week and it would be just as dead as it is now.

Don't believe me? I could have it done, but I know the result already, so what's the point.

A default HD wont mask all the other, larger problems that classic faces.
Not to mention you keep forgetting the aspect of community and what a vital role that plays in a successful server.

Let me remind you again, let's go back 5 years, a couple months before the npc server switch, the HD was DEFAULT, the levels were the GTA levels.

What was the player count?
30.
UN was at 200+.

Clearly it's the HD that is the problem, even though it didn't solve anything 5 years ago.

and as for contego blaming storm for starting the whole mess with custom systems and HD. it isn't his fault, it was forced on him to make everything serverside in the sake of security, so Graal Classic wouldn't be the trainer infested zone it was before. If you want to direct your blame on the custom systems of classic being created, divert your blame to stefan, he was the one that made that call.

Edit: Let me dumb down my point in one simple sentence.
Classic was dying long before default HD was removed.

You're right it was dying.
But rather than improve what players wanted such as events and more things to attract the kinds of players you had there; You develop a new HD and a Trading Card Game????? WTF?

DarkCloud_PK · #31 05-06-2009, 09:09 PM

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Classic was dying long before default HD was removed.

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Classic was dying long before default HD was removed.

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Classic was dying long before default HD was removed.

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Classic was dying long before default HD was removed.

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Classic was dying long before default HD was removed.

Do you get it yet? At all?

unknown · #32 05-06-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Do you get it yet? At all?

Dying? No. Lower Playercount. Yes!
It was the hit detection that killed it even more than p2p.

Do you get it?

And if it was dying? why do you still develop there? you obviously dont care if it comes back seeing as you only want to chat and you wont take ideas from players who actually want to come back. stupid nazi dictator

DarkCloud_PK · #33 05-06-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by unknown

Dying? No. Lower Playercount. Yes!
It was the hit detection that killed it even more than p2p.

Do you get it?

And if it was dying? why do you still develop there? you obviously dont care if it comes back seeing as you only want to chat and you wont take ideas from players who actually want to come back. stupid nazi dictator

during the age of P2P to the point where an NPC server was forced on us, changing the HD.
The playercount dropped from 150 to 30, I don't know about you, but thats dying to me.

As for the AIDS patient comment, sure you can give him other diseases, but its still the AIDS thats killing him.

dmhabe · #34 05-06-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Do you get it yet? At all?

So if a AIDS patient is dieing you give him another disease....

unknown · #35 05-06-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhabe

So if a AIDS patient is dieing you give him another disease....

LOL very good point/analogy.

even if it was dying DC, why was it dying? not because of p2p, because a whole bunch of classic players still play other servers. They wont play classic why? the same reason they left, crappy hit detection. My mom is a debate teacher, I can call her if you'd like and she can read this whole forum, bet you have no valid points really.

Remonq · #36 05-06-2009, 09:40 PM

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So if a AIDS patient is dieing you give him another disease....

no they get that all on their own

Masah · #37 05-06-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Do you get it yet? At all?

Nah,I don't.
You know why people started leaving after p2p?
UN had more features.
Classic never developped anything,you started late 2005? lol.
It was too late.

Don't blame players for not beeing loyal when you got nothing new to have.
I understand everyone who switched server,those who stayed were mostly iders? Correct me,but who pk nowadays on classic.

contego · #38 05-06-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Masah

Nah,I don't.
You know why people started leaving after p2p?
UN had more features.
Classic never developped anything,you started late 2005? lol.
It was too late.

Don't blame players for not beeing loyal when you got nothing new to have.
I understand everyone who switched server,those who stayed were mostly iders? Correct me,but who pk nowadays on classic.

Thank you!!!! UN, delteria, N-Pulse are all examples of basically everything Classic could have been but never took that direction. The development never took on projects that were needed.

I'm definitely okay with the current staff staying where they are, just want them to listen to their players requests.

As it's been said before, this is NOT the first time players have requested it in the last few years. -.-

I don't know why they aren't continuing to pursue it. Develop things that will attract new players and keep exsiting players. Things such as events, an economy, tournies, and more. -.-

contego · #39 05-06-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Do you get it yet? At all?

Riiiight, but the HD change was the WRONG direction for development. Do you get that? Players didn't mind that, they wanted more content. Example, more guild wars, an economy etc etc etc I keep repeating myself.

I don't think you're opening your eyes DarkCloud.

Do you get that there are 57 out of 60 people who want to see the old HD system back?

If this poll doesnt close watch the numbers keep growing. The proof is in the pudding.

You're Dev Admin. Please direct the team in the right direction.

Remonq · #40 05-06-2009, 08:42 PM

loyally? where has your loyalty been for the past 5 or more years?

View Poll Results: Classic Server should..?
be left as it is.	4	6.15%
bring back it's original levels and hit detection.	51	78.46%
bring back ONLY the original levels but leave the hit detection as is.	1	1.54%
bring back ONLY the original hit detection but leave the levels as is.	9	13.85%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll