Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[MysticX2X]

I think Classic now can be improved rather than going to old levels...


Default systems/hit detection surely is the better question here.

[Ares]

since basically all current and ex-players say "if the default hit detection was back, i'd definitely play classic again" you might as well do it since none of the new ideas being added aren't doing so hot..

[Corp1]

Originally Posted by Ares

since basically all ex-players say "if the default hit detection was back, i'd definitely play classic again" you might as well do it since none of the new ideas being added aren't doing so hot..

Whatever gets people playing again.

[Cyril]

Man, no server ever struck me like Classic did back in versions 1.34 and I know im not the only one. The people, the server, the sparring. I definitely believe that a lot more people would come back if the old classic had a place again, whether it is replacing current classic, or getting its own server.
If this were to seriously happen, it would most definitely bring some players back. And yea lets be honest here, classic doesnt really have anyhting going for it right now, im surprised it still has players. But OMG, i want old school Supernicks back =(
with the first carpet spar =(

[ffcmike]

There are no concrete plans for this to actually happen,
it's just a proposal,
Master Storm doesn't like the idea for multiple reasons,
and ultimately we'd need his support on this as the Dev server is his property,
DarkCloud isn't fond of the idea either mainly due to the short term focus on current Classic.

While I don't know for definate Default Systems are something i'm under the impression are wanted by players,
but it's never been a case of simply being able to put it into use and have it work with the current levels, we could spend a long time trying to catch up reworking the levels we currently have, or we could use this is an opportunity to work outwards from a central location gradually with a planned layout consistant with server storyline, whilst maintaining a higher player and content density in the process, whether this would involve reworking the current or old overworld is besides the point.

[contego]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

There are no concrete plans for this to actually happen,
it's just a proposal,
Master Storm doesn't like the idea for multiple reasons,
and ultimately we'd need his support on this as the Dev server is his property,
DarkCloud isn't fond of the idea either mainly due to the short term focus on current Classic.

While I don't know for definate Default Systems are something i'm under the impression are wanted by players,
but it's never been a case of simply being able to put it into use and have it work with the current levels, we could spend a long time trying to catch up reworking the levels we currently have, or we could use this is an opportunity to work outwards from a central location gradually with a planned layout consistant with server storyline, whilst maintaining a higher player and content density in the process, whether this would involve reworking the current or old overworld is besides the point.

In my opinion it should not be MASTER STORM's desicion at all. He was hired to manage Classic but leave it as is and only add to the current playerworld. This was the original agreement.

Further more, MASTER STORM does not play Classic anymore so why should he care what is on there? If he insists that he wants it the same then my suggestion is to make a new server for him and call it Classic 2k and move the current server over to it. Proof is in the pudding that change is wanted, look at the increasing poll numbers. Classic has a low player count and has consistently had one since this mistake.

I'm speaking out an long time supporter and paying customer to Graal.

The server is called "Classic" for a reason and what MASTER STORM did is change something that made Classic the classic server it was.


Again I want to reiterate that the original agreement was to not change anything on Classic but to only add to the existing playerworld. Too much has been changed and I'm not going to idle by as you folks ruin what so many of us originally fell inlove with.

Stefan and unixmad, step up to the plate and acknowledge your players request. I've said this to you before, when you decided to make Graal p2p; if you're going to take this avenue to make players pay then be prepared to take care of the paying customers/supporters. No one is asking you to CHANGE anything, MASTER STORM is the one who did that. We are simply requesting that you return what YOU had originally created that made us all love Graal.

[dmhabe]

Classics clear deterioration is obvious, this "restoration" has been discussed for years now and they continue to let the server die.

[unknown]

I'm not saying this "IS" going to be done, I am just suggesting they should look at some new options since none of the changes in the last years have increased playercount, they have only decreased it. I mean, take a look at the votes, its already voted on change more than classics current highest playercount as well as no one even voted to keep it as is. It's called classic for a reason, thus it should be CLASSIC. If you newbies who think you are classic supporters want to keep it the way it is or what not, make a mirror type of server and call it graal the adventure. Which in my opinion is going to be only you guys playing and your RC's LOL. I have told myself over the years I would never give classic another chance, even if they switched back the hit detection, mainly because its just not classic in many other ways. If anything, I would still settle and try to give classic another chance if the hit detection was changed back. Also, when I say go back to the original state of classic, I am not saying there can't be new development in some areas, but there are some things best left alone.

[BlackSolider]

Obviously I can't see who voted, but I wonder actually how many people who voted have actually spent more than 100 hours on classic in the past two years. I theorize that many of the votes are from nostalgic people hoping for a return of their favorite time on "classic," whenever that was for them.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Obviously I can't see who voted, but I wonder actually how many people who voted have actually spent more than 100 hours on classic in the past two years. I theorize that many of the votes are from nostalgic people hoping for a return of their favorite time on "classic," whenever that was for them.

Again, besides the point. It's not about spending a certain amount of time on it in the past few years to determine this. What do you people not get about the word "CLASSIC"? It's not even about trying to return to my favorite time, its about leaving something the way it is because of the title and because obviously none of your newbie development methods have drawn a crowd, only dispersed them. Let me ask all of you Classic Supporters something, why do you like "this" version of classic? I think it's because you all just wasted so much time there already you feel hopeless and just stick to the plan.

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Obviously I can't see who voted, but I wonder actually how many people who voted have actually spent more than 100 hours on classic in the past two years. I theorize that many of the votes are from nostalgic people hoping for a return of their favorite time on "classic," whenever that was for them.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

Hense the name Classic. Is there really more than 30 people that have more than 100 hours on Classic?

[BlackSolider]

Definitely.

The problem is many of them don't play anymore, for a variety of reasons.

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Definitely.

The problem is many of them don't play anymore, for a variety of reasons.

Yes, true and one of the reasons they don't come back is because there's nothing to come back to.

Again Classic is Classic and should have been left as such.

[Rufus]

Name 20 players that currently play Graal on a regular basis that were around to 'appreciate' the old overworld and old hit detection on Classic.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Name 20 players that currently play Graal on a regular basis that were around to 'appreciate' the old overworld and old hit detection on Classic.