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View Poll Results: Classic Server should..?
be left as it is. 4 6.15%
bring back it's original levels and hit detection. 51 78.46%
bring back ONLY the original levels but leave the hit detection as is. 1 1.54%
bring back ONLY the original hit detection but leave the levels as is. 9 13.85%
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:22 PM
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1. Server revivals have historically failed. Many have tried, a few oldbies have returned to help, they realize they have to replace everything and don't have instant gratification, they leave.

2.Classic has had popularity vote changes on several occasions. Once the changes are made, players don't feel it lives up to their expectations, they start threads like this all over again.

3. NPC server shutdown vs. globals: Look around, tell me if you find a single server that does not have an NPC server. They are an absolute requirement and you get no choice in the matter so you might as well stop asking for it to be removed, its not going to happen.

4. Lazy staff: If I hear that one more time I think I'm gonna castrate someone. Each of the replaced dev admins has tried to use their vision to please the players, both oldie and new. They have hired a team they can work with and is productive. The moment a player see's one of them doing something for fun rather than being crouched over their keyboard working non stop. The entire team is called lazy. If players don't see results within 2 days of a change, they are all considered lazy. If a player doesn't like a member of the staff team, the entire team sucks.

5. I'm in a position to bring about positive change: Oh really? Would any of you really be happy with anything I chose to do? No, you've already proven that in the past. Ideally it would be in Classic's best interests, from the development side, to go into dev phase only, redo everything from scratch to eliminate the complicated mess thats developed over the years. This however is not in the best interests of the players though. The server goes invisible. people get nostalgic over their particular version of Classic's past and when the server is visible again they come back here and complain that Classic was ruined again.

6. Classic is boring and the updates released are stupid: I remember rants about wanting bowling back, weapons, cards, new events, minigames and quests. The moment they are released there is a rant because something isn't perfect or is dumb, too hard, too easy, or boring. Do you honestly think any development team is going to wish to continue working when the players show no appreciation for anything they do?

7. People like to blame Storm and now Storm and Thor for everything thats happened. Yes, Storm is manager and in the end it is his fault whether the server wins or fails. But he also cannot force every dev admin to do exactly as he says all the time. Sure, he can fire them if they don't but then where are you? Back at square one...again.

8. Classic is about change regardless of what you think at the moment Contego. If Classic had never changed there wouldn't of been the pyramid quest, Tyhms quest and many other updates that had been made throughout time. Classic should be representing Graal and what its scripting engine has to offer. It would be stuck back in v 1.28 or whatever while the rest of the world passed it by.

I haven't abandoned Classic, although I have been told to get out by a player or two. I may not be there every day, all day like I was but I am still fully aware of most things that happen there. I'm not going to micromanage though. Whats the point in me telling them how to do their jobs and when. If thats the case I might as well just fire them all and do it all myself. Oh wait, can't do that. I don't know how to script.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:39 PM
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History Lesson

1. Server revivals have historically failed. Many have tried, a few oldbies have returned to help, they realize they have to replace everything and don't have instant gratification, they leave.

2.Classic has had popularity vote changes on several occasions. Once the changes are made, players don't feel it lives up to their expectations, they start threads like this all over again.

3. NPC server shutdown vs. globals: Look around, tell me if you find a single server that does not have an NPC server. They are an absolute requirement and you get no choice in the matter so you might as well stop asking for it to be removed, its not going to happen.

4. Lazy staff: If I hear that one more time I think I'm gonna castrate someone. Each of the replaced dev admins has tried to use their vision to please the players, both oldie and new. They have hired a team they can work with and is productive. The moment a player see's one of them doing something for fun rather than being crouched over their keyboard working non stop. The entire team is called lazy. If players don't see results within 2 days of a change, they are all considered lazy. If a player doesn't like a member of the staff team, the entire team sucks.

5. I'm in a position to bring about positive change: Oh really? Would any of you really be happy with anything I chose to do? No, you've already proven that in the past. Ideally it would be in Classic's best interests, from the development side, to go into dev phase only, redo everything from scratch to eliminate the complicated mess thats developed over the years. This however is not in the best interests of the players though. The server goes invisible. people get nostalgic over their particular version of Classic's past and when the server is visible again they come back here and complain that Classic was ruined again.

6. Classic is boring and the updates released are stupid: I remember rants about wanting bowling back, weapons, cards, new events, minigames and quests. The moment they are released there is a rant because something isn't perfect or is dumb, too hard, too easy, or boring. Do you honestly think any development team is going to wish to continue working when the players show no appreciation for anything they do?

7. People like to blame Storm and now Storm and Thor for everything thats happened. Yes, Storm is manager and in the end it is his fault whether the server wins or fails. But he also cannot force every dev admin to do exactly as he says all the time. Sure, he can fire them if they don't but then where are you? Back at square one...again.

8. Classic is about change regardless of what you think at the moment Contego. If Classic had never changed there wouldn't of been the pyramid quest, Tyhms quest and many other updates that had been made throughout time. Classic should be representing Graal and what its scripting engine has to offer. It would be stuck back in v 1.28 or whatever while the rest of the world passed it by.

I haven't abandoned Classic, although I have been told to get out by a player or two. I may not be there every day, all day like I was but I am still fully aware of most things that happen there. I'm not going to micromanage though. Whats the point in me telling them how to do their jobs and when. If thats the case I might as well just fire them all and do it all myself. Oh wait, can't do that. I don't know how to script.
You sound like a global who is exhausted with all your duties atm. I've been there before too Bell. MASTER STORM made this mistake and it's been downhill since.

Rather than develop an economy they changed the hit detection. Bell, Classic is where the whole sparring idea came about, where our good friend like Goth came from. Fighting and PK.

Now it's turning into a Trading Card Game server where old players such as yourself utilize it as a chat room. Why can't the rest of us have our fun with OUR game too? You can still trade cards and chat all day and all night. I want to log onto the game I started to play.

History Lesson:

I was the one who saw it through that you were to be a global. Don't disappoint me because the works taking it's toll on you now. I see it as step up or step down.

All I can say is read the poll results. And think about your decision carefully.

You've got volunteers willing to make the change. No one expects this to be done over night.

And finally I never said ANYONE was lazy, infact I backed you up when Laura incinuated that you were a lazy global.

-I'd also like to note Classic's numbers increasing because of interest and publicity. Let's take advantage of this momentum and start the team we need. Please don't halt productivity. This can and will make Stefan and unixmad more money to have more players return.

The foundation of any company is it's customer base. Loyal customers and new customers. I'm a loyal customer.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:25 PM
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From what I can tell, it's all true.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:27 PM
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Towards Bell's speech:

I am pretty sure Storm, or whoever made the initial changes to the hit detection, are fully to blame. Everyone warned what would happen.

We aren't saying classic needs revival, it needs some fine tuning, AKA Hit Detection. That is really the main idea.

As far as you (Bell) being able to help and move this into the right direction, I think contego was just trying to state you have greater influence on the server than some.

Right now, from the people who used to play classic, they said they would at least player there more often, if not permanently, If just the hit detection was changed to normal. I myself and contego as well as a lot of people in our guild and random people who used to play classic, would really try to support the changes and bring it back to more of a living state.

No one said this would be easy or that we would see instant changes or gratification, but it is mos.def worth the try.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:42 PM
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As far as you (Bell) being able to help and move this into the right direction, I think contego was just trying to state you have greater influence on the server than some.
ok this made me laugh
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ok this made me laugh
really laura, I'm going to push you to get banned on the forums, or at least banned from this thread. nothing you say is ever relevant and its always poking at someone.

and bell could influence some people better than we can.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:48 PM
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really laura, I'm going to push you to get banned on the forums, or at least banned from this thread. nothing you say is ever relevant and its always poking at someone.

and bell could influence some people better than we can.
LOL banned

bell made classic suffer in the past , im not saying she a worthless **** , but at this point i would not take her help . now you can talk alone cause your on the ignore list
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LOL banned

bell made classic suffer in the past , im not saying she a worthless **** , but at this point i would not take her help . now you can talk alone cause your on the ignore list
Well if I knew there was a way to ignore you I would have done it long ago, but since I don't know how, I think I'll sit and enjoy your lack of common sense
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ok this made me laugh
He was actually right on with his assessment. I'm glad it humored you though.
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If you have Default HD why isn't it server wide.... The experience of players logging on is automatically greeted by Classic's hit detection which deters them from staying. They are not going out of their way to Exodus spar into a separate room to spar.
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If you have Default HD why isn't it server wide.... The experience of players logging on is automatically greeted by Classic's hit detection which deters them from staying. They are not going out of their way to Exodus spar into a separate room to spar.
that why Supernick new arena is coming back for.
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that why Supernick new arena is coming back for.
That made no sense, the point is default HD should be automatically server wide, designating a spar arena or room to default HD is not a fix.
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Bell,

You are taking this personally as if it's an attack on you as a person. Master Storm did too at first. This is not a blow at anyone, it's a chance for progress. Look at the poll results. The interest is there. Stay focused on the issue at hand. The HD.
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