4 Years of being stagnant

[BlackSolider]

You make a good point there dusty, but do remember people are paid to paint pictures (sometimes) or make video games. Devs don't get paid; they spend their free time trying to please the mostly un-please-able community. And no, I don't assume that no one gives the devs thanks or anything. But I do know that I see a lot of people just constantly ***** about what they do.

Yes, you expect a certain standard of work. But we shouldn't expect a 'Crazy Stairs' painting from anyone but Picasso. The devs dev to their ability. If you don't feel like its good enough, then make something better. Otherwise, thank them and enjoy it as best you can.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Yes, you expect a certain standard of work. But we shouldn't expect a 'Crazy Stairs' painting from anyone but Picasso

or M.C. Escher...the guy that actually painted it

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

You make a good point there dusty, but do remember people are paid to paint pictures (sometimes) or make video games. Devs don't get paid; they spend their free time trying to please the mostly un-please-able community. And no, I don't assume that no one gives the devs thanks or anything. But I do know that I see a lot of people just constantly ***** about what they do.

Yes, you expect a certain standard of work. But we shouldn't expect a 'Crazy Stairs' painting from anyone but Picasso. The devs dev to their ability. If you don't feel like its good enough, then make something better. Otherwise, thank them and enjoy it as best you can.

This I am aware of. But you have to remember that Graal, regardless of being basically built by volunteers, is still a game you have to pay for. Therefor, if I am a new person to Graal and I pay for a subscription to Graal, I should still expect some level of quality. People who take on position of staff on these servers take on that responsibility; they are, or should be, aware of that. Criticism comes with the territory.

[BlackSolider]

Oh look, an art expert.

Seriously though, thanks. Idk who did it so I just used a name I knew.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Oh look, an art expert.

Seriously though, thanks. Idk who did it so I just used a name I knew.

Yes, but I disagree with the whole "if you can't do better then shut up". You may be happy to settle for second best but some of us aren't. Some of us know that settling for second best isn't going to get us anywhere in the long run.

[BlackSolider]

I wouldn't know what "better" would be, nor do I have the ability to make something "better" than what they have. All I know is that no matter what the GCs or Devs do, they get more **** than appreciation, whether deserved or not. If you expect a "perfect" event or a "perfect" quest or w/e, you're probably asking the wrong people.

[BlackSolider]

Excessive criticism shouldn't. Look at the HD. People complained about the serverside HD when the server got moved to Euro. People voted for clientside. So thor made one. Now they continue to *****, even though they wanted it.

What motivation does a dev have, when nothing they do is ever good enough? People wanted some quests for classic. So sardons+gnomes got released. Some people complained about those. People wanted content for classic. So bowling+minigamesystem+fishing got released. Some people complained about those.

Looks like a no-win situation to me. Its impossible to please everybody. Now I don't know what each person expects quality wise from the dev team. Personally I expected more stuff to be released than what was. I don't go yelling and cursing the dev team about it. I talk to some of them about it. I post things on forums about it. But I don't go bashing the dev team all day. That just doesn't help the situation.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Excessive criticism shouldn't. Look at the HD. People complained about the serverside HD when the server got moved to Euro. People voted for clientside. So thor made one. Now they continue to *****, even though they wanted it.

Because it's not good detection. What's hard to understand about that? Just because it's clientside doesn't mean it's going to be good. It has been said a lot that Thor probably worked hard on it, hard work != good in all cases.

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

What motivation does a dev have, when nothing they do is ever good enough? People wanted some quests for classic. So sardons+gnomes got released. Some people complained about those. People wanted content for classic. So bowling+minigamesystem+fishing got released. Some people complained about those.

There are always going to be people who complain. If you're a dev and you don't want to hear it you're in the wrong place. Like I said it comes with the territory. Is that a good thing? Of course not, but it will never go away. This applies to all games. There will always be the people who hate and criticize.

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Looks like a no-win situation to me. Its impossible to please everybody. Now I don't know what each person expects quality wise from the dev team. Personally I expected more stuff to be released than what was. I don't go yelling and cursing the dev team about it. I talk to some of them about it. I post things on forums about it. But I don't go bashing the dev team all day. That just doesn't help the situation.

There are those who bash and those who bring up rational points. You seem to not be able to tell the two apart. The former are those who bash with no just cause and don't even attempt to be constructive in it. There have been many constructive points brought up about the HD and other aspects of Classic. It's not all bashing just because people aren't settling for less.

[BlackSolider]

The people asked for it. They got what they want. How can you complain about it then?

Indeed there will be.

I can tell the two apart. I simply see a lot more bashing than rational. "Oh this HD isn't what I thought it was gonna be. YOU SUCK THOR" etc etc.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The people asked for it. They got what they want. How can you complain about it then?

Indeed there will be.

I can tell the two apart. I simply see a lot more bashing than rational. "Oh this HD isn't what I thought it was gonna be. YOU SUCK THOR" etc etc.

You're not grasping it. It's akin to eating dirt, and asking for something better and getting sand. People assumed when they asked for clientside HD, it would be better HD. Now they didn't assume wrongly, because clientside HD can be a lot better than what is currently up(it can be made to replicate the default HD).

The problem is, it's not what people hoped it was gonna be. Just because Thor worked hard on it is no reason to settle for shoddy HD. Sorry, but that's not how development works.

[BlackSolider]

HDs and their capabilities are beyond me. The people asked for clientside, they got clientside. If they don't like it, well then thats their problem.

One year as a kid I asked for a red power ranger toy for xmas. I got a blue one. Did I *****? Of course. I was young. Now adays, I try to be appreciative of what I get. My parents tried to get a red one but couldn't. I still got a damn power ranger toy. I should have been happy, even though the blue one wasn't as cool.

For comparison, the classicians asked for clientside HD. Thor got em one. Maybe it wasn't exactly what they were hoping for. But they still asked for it. Maybe they should be appreciative the Dev team actually listened to the people and attempted to please them. Obviously it didn't work out like everyone had hoped, but hey, he tried.

As long as thor did his best, I won't ***** about it. I dislike the HD and have stated so several times, but I'm not gonna spam hatred for something he put effort in to.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

HDs and their capabilities are beyond me. The people asked for clientside, they got clientside. If they don't like it, well then thats their problem.

One year as a kid I asked for a red power ranger toy for xmas. I got a blue one. Did I *****? Of course. I was young. Now adays, I try to be appreciative of what I get. My parents tried to get a red one but couldn't. I still got a damn power ranger toy. I should have been happy, even though the blue one wasn't as cool.

For comparison, the classicians asked for clientside HD. Thor got em one. Maybe it wasn't exactly what they were hoping for. But they still asked for it. Maybe they should be appreciative the Dev team actually listened to the people and attempted to please them. Obviously it didn't work out like everyone had hoped, but hey, he tried.

As long as thor did his best, I won't ***** about it. I dislike the HD and have stated so several times, but I'm not gonna spam hatred for something he put effort in to.

When you settle for less, or in this case something completely different from what you asked for, then you are leading the server into a false sense of accomplishment and security. Nothing will improve unless you voice your true opinions on something, regardless of how much effort someone placed into it. I don't think that I have seen anyone really boast hatred, though some opinions were expressed more harshly than others. Sometimes being harsh is needed though, especially if the person believes that there isn't actually an issue when there clearly is and everyone is saying it.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

HDs and their capabilities are beyond me. The people asked for clientside, they got clientside. If they don't like it, well then thats their problem.

One year as a kid I asked for a red power ranger toy for xmas. I got a blue one. Did I *****? Of course. I was young. Now adays, I try to be appreciative of what I get. My parents tried to get a red one but couldn't. I still got a damn power ranger toy. I should have been happy, even though the blue one wasn't as cool.

For comparison, the classicians asked for clientside HD. Thor got em one. Maybe it wasn't exactly what they were hoping for. But they still asked for it. Maybe they should be appreciative the Dev team actually listened to the people and attempted to please them. Obviously it didn't work out like everyone had hoped, but hey, he tried.

As long as thor did his best, I won't ***** about it. I dislike the HD and have stated so several times, but I'm not gonna spam hatred for something he put effort in to.

I lol'd at the stupidity in this comparison.

A more accurate comparison would be you asked for a red power ranger but you got a blue power ranger knockoff with sharp metal edges and lead paint.

[BlackSolider]

So we're going to overlook the fact that Thor complied with the people's wishes just b/c it wasn't exactly what they hoped for?

Were people expecting a flawless hd?

Really, what was everyone expecting?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

So we're going to overlook the fact that Thor complied with the people's wishes just b/c it wasn't exactly what they hoped for?

Were people expecting a flawless hd?

Really, what was everyone expecting?

I give up.