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Old 02-09-2009, 09:17 PM
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I think Graal is worth about $10.00 for a whole year in its current state.
What would you do to improve it and lift it out of it's current state?
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:13 AM
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I do however agree with you on how people are confused. The website has been dumbed down and doesn't reflect Graal in the least.
It hasn't been dumbed down, far from it. That would be good (dumbing it down, I mean), making it simpler for people to navigate/understand.
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Heck, their first website ever was better than this one. I liked it better when all we had to do was upgrade for one thing and we had access to everything.
Can't really say much about the first ever one, but the one that was Kingdoms-based I really liked, and it's what first got me interested with "THESE GRAPHICS ARE SICK!" only finding out the game was nothing like it, but still okay.
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I think Graal is worth about $10.00 for a whole year in its current state.
They should actually try gradually decreasing the cost of Graal, and if it does nothing (more players/subscribers), then just slowly bring it back up. In my opinion, trial and error will never hurt an online game, just to see what changing something simple will do to the community.
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I just feel like Cyberjoueurs is just going to let the game die and move to something else.
iPhone/Pod apps.
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:29 AM
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They should actually try gradually decreasing the cost of Graal, and if it does nothing (more players/subscribers), then just slowly bring it back up. In my opinion, trial and error will never hurt an online game, just to see what changing something simple will do to the community.
Agreed. Unless of course they are planning on spending the money they make on something which will progress graal and extend it to new heights then I'm fine paying $60 (Aus Currency xD) a year for it, but only if they are actually planning on spending the money productively towards Graal, E.g. getting a better source (the source is already quite good) or something alone the lines of that

If Not then make the price like drop a little (We are in a bad economic situation and a lot of the children's parents may not be so willing to allow their children to through $40+ dollars towards a game in a time like this)
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Old 02-10-2009, 01:22 PM
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a lot of the children's parents may not be so willing to allow their children to through $40+ dollars towards a game in a time like this)

WTF ur talking about?
I am 13, and my dad got no big problem to pay for me 40€ a year...
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What people don't seem to understand is that I know what's wrong with GK. I just don't have much help fixing it and there is a lot to fix.
Then post applications. And don't deny help and then post "OH, WELL, NO ONE IS HELPING/OFFERING HELP!" like Bjorn and the former staff did. I, and I know a few other people, used to ask constantly about helping, and either got no reply or "We aren't hiring" and then the staff posted about no help being offered.
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what're you talking abouttttt? he logs on, tells people that he's busy, and logs off!
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Old 02-14-2009, 07:42 AM
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Then post applications. And don't deny help and then post "OH, WELL, NO ONE IS HELPING/OFFERING HELP!" like Bjorn and the former staff did. I, and I know a few other people, used to ask constantly about helping, and either got no reply or "We aren't hiring" and then the staff posted about no help being offered.
We do post applications, have you not checked the application forum?
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I will list a few things that are more expensive than Graal that we do quite a lot more frequently:

- The average person spends more than $40/week on groceries & food. (This is based off of the friends I've asked)
- Filling a tank of gas lately takes more than $40 depending on your car.
- Things like the average phone bill costs sometimes $60/m
- A console game usually costs $60, how long does that entertain you? Sometimes 3 months if it's really good. How long does Graal entertain you? Indefinitely.
I think you're hugely misrepresenting the playerbase with these so-called expenditures.
  • The average Graal player doesn't spend a penny on food per month, never mind weekly. I'd even go as far as to say the average gamer doesn't spend that much money on food at all.
  • I'd love to know how many Graal players actually drive, because I don't think that many do.
  • Phone bills are another thing that the average Graal player doesn't spend money on, that is why they have parents.
  • As for the console game entertainment lol.. If you are spending money on a console game you can expect quality in what you are buying and you can expect a consistency in the amount of content you get from it. Graal does not provide entertainment "indefinitely" at all and even claiming something like that is just hilarious. In the case of Graal Kingdoms, a bunch of updates every 4 months is not the average gamers idea of indefinite entertainment either.
You seemingly ignored the fact that there is a huge MMORPG market out there, with many of the games being open for all players for free. In this saturated market there are tons of higher quality games charging at a lower price. Why is an average consumer going to pick Graal over the competition? Graal Kingdoms' gameplay is fairly average after all.
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You seemingly ignored the fact that there is a huge MMORPG market out there, with many of the games being open for all players for free. In this saturated market there are tons of higher quality games charging at a lower price..
How do you think we could get higher quality for Graal?
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How do you think we could get higher quality for Graal?
That's not for me to decide.
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That's not for me to decide.
I think it is, very much so. You guys throw your weight around on the forums like you know what's best but when it comes to crunch time where are your solutions to the problems?

You, as a player, a staff member, (a developer?), should definitely have say in the future of Graal. In fact, I think you would be upset if you didn't.

If you're willing to to find all of the faults, certainly you could attempt find some solutions.

If you just point out all of the negative things but make no attempt to contribute you just look like a complainer.

You are just trying to rally up the people on the forums to perpetuate the argument in the negative direction. Where is the positive?
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Old 02-09-2009, 09:14 PM
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so, what about people like me? i'm not old enough to get a job, i don't know anyone with kids- therefore i can't babysit, newspaper route would be hell around here, and i'm pretty sure my parents won't give me the money for a graal subscription. how am i supposed to pay?
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so, what about people like me? i'm not old enough to get a job, and i'm pretty sure my parents won't give me the money for a graal subscription. how am i supposed to pay?
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What would you do to improve it and lift it out of it's current state?
First, it would help if Stefan was actually more involved in getting the client REAL new features. NewWorld supported layered-tiles, why hasn't this been made available after 7-8 years? The flying-technology (Mode 7 I believe) still isn't available to developers, or it has been made available to only a select few. I'm only brushing the surface here, Graal's editor needs some true updates. Gani shop needs to be updated and should be part of the main Graal editor as well.

Second, why should developers have to pay to create content? Even if someone were to create a high-quality playerworld, they are still having to shell money out of their pocket for their hard work. I don't see the justification in this, as Graal would only generate revenue, not the developers. Remember, the average Graalian age is 12 or something, right? Where are they supposed to get $120? I can't even post a damn link without it getting approved because of that. They should atleast make some sort of official testbed server for serious developers that don't have the cash. It shouldn't be insanely hard to aquire access to this either. I know it makes them fast cash or whatever, but in the long run it's not going to help them at all. At least they could do is help the developers out more, and not make it such a pain in the arse.

Third, why is there not a new flagship server? If they would have put some time into a new one over these past few years they could actually have something worth playing. I've always thought they strayed away from Classic too much. I think that if they'd create a hybrid server like Zodiac and a game like Final Fantasy 3/6, with awesome 2D graphics, and make it turn-based with a storyline and quests, they'd really have something worth playing. You'd have the classic feel with the quests, people could level and quest together via partying, an oldschool overworld like Final Fantasys would be amazing, and easy to make. Valikorlia used to have an overworld like that. I think it would even take less effort than their past flagship servers. The only part that would take some real time is tying in a storyline, but it could be done. It's up to the people that created the game to create the content, not the players.

They've always set the bar for playerworld standards, why isn't this happening anymore? Graal2001 and Kingdoms used to have a higher average playercount than the free worlds when they actually gave a damn about the servers.

I could ramble on about how I feel about the way they treat their customers but that's not either here nor there.

Basically, if this game was worth paying for you'd know that it was, and judging by the worlds that cost money -- it's not. In the past it was, and you knew that it was, because Graal2001 used to have 120 people on it, and Kingdoms used to have a huge playerbase as well.

Edit: On another note, I would propose Graal figure out what they are going to do in terms of making people pay. They can't do gelats and make people pay for the game. It doesn't work like that. In my opinion their best course of action would be to drop paying for the game altogether and make special things in-game buyable with gelats. You get people playing your game hooked for free, and then they want to buy items to seperate themselves from the people that don't pay. This works for a lot of games, and I guarantee you would see a surge in the playercount if the game was advertised better.
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First, it would help if Stefan was actually more involved in getting the client REAL new features. NewWorld supported layered-tiles, why hasn't this been made available after 7-8 years? The flying-technology (Mode 7 I believe) still isn't available to developers, or it has been made available to only a select few. I'm only brushing the surface here, Graal's editor needs some true updates. Gani shop needs to be updated and should be part of the main Graal editor as well.
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Second, why should developers have to pay to create content? Even if someone were to create a high-quality playerworld, they are still having to shell money out of their pocket for their hard work. I don't see the justification in this, as Graal would only generate revenue, not the developers. Remember, the average Graalian age is 12 or something, right? Where are they supposed to get $120? I can't even post a damn link without it getting approved because of that. They should atleast make some sort of official testbed server for serious developers that don't have the cash. It shouldn't be insanely hard to aquire access to this either. I know it makes them fast cash or whatever, but in the long run it's not going to help them at all. At least they could do is help the developers out more, and not make it such a pain in the arse.
You're not paying to create content. You're paying for the server space and to practice your skills. You can easily log onto any classic server and get a job for free if you have a lifetime classic subscription, if you don't have a lifetime classic subscription then you're just paying for the play aspect, not the development aspect of the game.

There is a testbed server for people to practice on, but if you want to continue with making a server you need to rent the server space.

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Third, why is there not a new flagship server? If they would have put some time into a new one over these past few years they could actually have something worth playing. I've always thought they strayed away from Classic too much. I think that if they'd create a hybrid server like Zodiac and a game like Final Fantasy 3/6, with awesome 2D graphics, and make it turn-based with a storyline and quests, they'd really have something worth playing. You'd have the classic feel with the quests, people could level and quest together via partying, an oldschool overworld like Final Fantasys would be amazing, and easy to make. Valikorlia used to have an overworld like that. I think it would even take less effort than their past flagship servers. The only part that would take some real time is tying in a storyline, but it could be done. It's up to the people that created the game to create the content, not the players.
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Edit: On another note, I would propose Graal figure out what they are going to do in terms of making people pay. They can't do gelats and make people pay for the game. It doesn't work like that. In my opinion their best course of action would be to drop paying for the game altogether and make special things in-game buyable with gelats. You get people playing your game hooked for free, and then they want to buy items to seperate themselves from the people that don't pay. This works for a lot of games, and I guarantee you would see a surge in the playercount if the game was advertised better.
I agree, and I've been trying to push this for quite a while.
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