Endora = Hosted?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Gerami

When you clearly have valid proof and some kind of sane argument i don't see why such a thread shouldn't be allowed...

Wrong:

Originally Posted by Forum Rules

f) Do not make threads to bash a playerworld, or players and/or staff. If you have a problem you wish to report please contact a member of the Playerworld Administration...

[contiga]

Originally Posted by Chompy

What's you new plans then? Just wondering

Currently working on some stuff on Graal Kingdoms. When I'm done with that I will probally work on Graal2001 Dev again.

Originally Posted by Gerami

When you clearly have valid proof and some kind of sane argument i don't see why such a thread shouldn't be allowed. This is a perfect thread showing how unprofessional this hosted server is. That's far from illegal in my opinion and all players should be informed.

Wow, Crono talks proper english

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Sam

Wrong:

That's if you're gonna bash a playerworld. The way the rule makes it sound anyway.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It is too easy to fake "valid proof". I am sure this is partially the reason behind the rule. Not to mention the forums would be full of "so and so did this to me", and "so and so did that to me", people posting stuff out of anger because they got in trouble. We all know how it goes, and how ugly it can get, and it's not always valid no matter how it seems.

I'm not talking about a simple screenshot or two, im talking about for example a playerworld stealing graphics. I believe everyone on these forums and on graal has a right to know that playerworld x (we will call it that for now) has staff which steal and a manager that supports it. With plenty of screenshots, quotes from PM's, and such it's easy to see that such a thing is not fake.

It isn't fair to drag people and playerworlds through the mud, and then find out later that it was completely bogus.

Not everyone here is an idiot. Some of us know when to "drag people and playerworld through the mud".

This thread was questioning if Endora was hosted, and was good information to disclose that the pwa did not inspect it, and was not the cause of it being hosted, and also good info from people playing and showing that it should not be hosted because of issues, but there is a fine line between discussing why a PW should or should not be hosted, and outright bashing people or the playerworld.

This thread is doing fine, and its showing how the endora staff are a bunch of corrupted kids who give away npcs like candy. It doesn't always have to be OMG A GUY STOL MY STUF ON UN LOL PLZ HALP ME DIS PPL AR THEIVS

The issues of staff abuse, and whatever do not belong on the forums, but rather in a support ticket so that the correct officials can check into the alligations, it does not belong on the forums.

Graalians have the right to know who abuses and who doesn't. This is a dumb rule anyway.

I do, however, believe that there should be a section where the pwa, globals, admins, etc...should be able to post warnings to other PW owners/managers, and players about certain things they should be aware of.

With proper moderation it cna be done here by the players. It's not like there are enough globals to actually see what goes on.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

With proper moderation it cna be done here by the players. It's not like there are enough globals to actually see what goes on.

If you can talk Unixmad into it, more power to you. I'm not doing it for you.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

If you can talk Unixmad into it, more power to you. I'm not doing it for you.

That honestly seems kind of rude. With Ibonic gone, you are basically one of our only options, and the most active option, that we have left.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

i dont get this whole "DUN ATAK PLAYERUWLRDZ LOL"

When you clearly have valid proof and some kind of sane argument i don't see why such a thread shouldn't be allowed. This is a perfect thread showing how unprofessional this hosted server is. That's far from illegal in my opinion and all players should be informed.

It is too easy to fake "valid proof". I am sure this is partially the reason behind the rule. Not to mention the forums would be full of "so and so did this to me", and "so and so did that to me", people posting stuff out of anger because they got in trouble. We all know how it goes, and how ugly it can get, and it's not always valid no matter how it seems.
It isn't fair to drag people and playerworlds through the mud, and then find out later that it was completely bogus. The damage is already done, and there are times when people/playerworlds are trashed needlessly, and that follows them like a bad smell forever.

This thread was questioning if Endora was hosted, and was good information to disclose that the pwa did not inspect it, and was not the cause of it being hosted, and also good info from people playing and showing that it should not be hosted because of issues, but there is a fine line between discussing why a PW should or should not be hosted, and outright bashing people or the playerworld.

The issues of staff abuse, and whatever do not belong on the forums, but rather in a support ticket so that the correct officials can check into the alligations, it does not belong on the forums.

I do, however, believe that there should be a section where the pwa, globals, admins, etc...should be able to post warnings to other PW owners/managers, and players about certain things they should be aware of. It should not be put into the players hands to do so...too many people do things out of spite, and too many times the info is false or highly exagerated.
To have a section where warnings are posted that have been proven true by higher ups as a warning to others is probably a good idea.

[Chompy]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I do, however, believe that there should be a section where the pwa, globals, admins, etc...should be able to post warnings to other PW owners/managers, and players about certain things they should be aware of.

Agreed, and some nice rules (like posting:

omg, the playerworld <name here> is abusin, they jailed me) and it would be deleted without a warning or reason, fast deleting :]

well, this would be much better if there was a forum part like that, and you would need valid proofs ( videos could been edited), dunno about screenshots

Oh well, I just hope someone removes Endora from Hosted tab

[MysticX2X]

Well Endora's playercount is reaching higher than most classic worlds 0_o.

[hampy]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Well Endora's playercount is reaching higher than most classic worlds 0_o.

mmm this would be because they are giving everyone free stuff and staff are abusing their rights by chaging people stats etc, like Chompy showed

[hampy]

Originally Posted by Chompy

Oh well, I just hope someone removes Endora from Hosted tab

*Quickly

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Chompy

Agreed, and some nice rules (like posting:

omg, the playerworld <name here> is abusin, they jailed me) and it would be deleted without a warning or reason, fast deleting :]

well, this would be much better if there was a forum part like that, and you would need valid proofs ( videos could been edited), dunno about screenshots

Oh well, I just hope someone removes Endora from Hosted tab

No, it is not a good idea for what I was talking about to be open for public use, only for Graal admins, pwa, and such

[Chompy]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

No, it is not a good idea for what I was talking about to be open for public use, only for Graal admins, pwa, and such

Hmm, if I think about it, your right, so players could pm the graal admins, pwa and such about their complains about a other playerworld and such?

[Inverness]

Is this really ok for an Event name?

[Chompy]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Is this really ok for an Event name?

Nope;

it was mentioned ( as a screenshot) on like page 1 or 2 I think

[Devil]

I am absolutely disgusted with the staff members on this server.

I've been treated like absolute crap. I then asked a GP who was the server manager and she told me it was Veteranspy, who is the Assistant Head Admin, upon telling her he isn't the manager she just says "oh well close enough".

They need to be moved from hosted :/

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Devil

I am absolutely disgusted with the staff members on this server.

I've been treated like absolute crap, I log on and reported a bad link and the "Asst Head Admin" told me to go **** myself. I then asked a GP who was the server manager and she told me it was Veteranspy, who is the Assistant Head Admin, upon telling her he isn't the manager she just says "oh well close enough".

They need to be moved from hosted :/

Yep it does how long do you think it will take 2 or 3 months?

[Devil]

I'm going to try and push for it to be removed sooner than that. There is no way it needs to be hosted.

[Devil]

Wow the server got deleted by Sottark.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Devil

Wow the server got deleted by Sottark.

That has got to be a record.

[Devil]

And the admins/assistant manager doesn't care. Wow, what a joke.

And now all the server stuff was stolen, and uploaded to "Old Endora".

This is so stupid.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Devil

And the admins/assistant manager doesn't care. Wow, what a joke.

And now all the server stuff was stolen, and uploaded to "Old Endora".

This is so stupid.

I agree what was Stefan thinking?

[Devil]

I've sorted out all the problems with the server, but there is going to be some backdraft with what happened :/

[zim5354]

Playerworlds are to easy to obtain.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by zim5354

Playerworlds are to easy to obtain.

They should be. They make Graal money. However, the servers that make it to Hosted and Classic shouldn't be easy to obtain, which it seems this one was.

[Devil]

You're telling me.

Someone who will remain nameless used a script to back up the server and hosted all the files :/

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Devil

You're telling me.

Someone who will remain nameless used a script to back up the server and hosted all the files :/

This whole situation is a gut buster for me, hilarious.

[WanDaMan]

It's reputation is ruined!

[Devil]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

It's reputation is ruined!

Not exactly.

I'm getting told 2 different stories, that Old Endora either stole Endora's stuff, or the other way around.

It's such a stupid thing for this to happen.

[Sage_Shadowbane]

Endora stole Old Endora's content, Nutos was Manager when the PW went down and never gave permission to anyone to use it. Pretty funny how none of this was looked over when the PW got accepted to the Hosted tab.

[Devil]

If you read properly, it wasn't exactly "accepted".

Em was trying to say he(?) made 50 percent of Old Endora, and will be manager.

[contiga]

Originally Posted by Devil

If you read properly, it wasn't exactly "accepted".

Em was trying to say he(?) made 50 percent of Old Endora, and will be manager.

I've scripted whole Endora (no, I'm not proud of it, the systems suck), and made about half of the levels. Emrys (Em) made a lot of graphics, and has done an amazing ammount of graphics. I'm glad someone deleted the hosted-Endora, so that Old Endora can continue building.

[MysticX2X]

Wait i'm confused. Which endora is which?

[contiga]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Wait i'm confused. Which endora is which?

There was an Endora, half a year ago, which was being runned by me, K9 and Emrys (me and K9 payed).

Now Nutos has made a version (he continued with what we made), and Tony also made a version (of some old backup he got). Tony's version is the one hosted now, and Nutos' version is still UC.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by contiga

There was an Endora, half a year ago, which was being runned by me, K9 and Emrys (me and K9 payed).

Now Nutos has made a version (he continued with what we made), and Tony also made a version (of some old backup he got). Tony's version is the one hosted now, and Nutos' version is still UC.

So how old is the one Tony's running? Compared to Nuto's version.

[Mursle]

It still is inappropriate weither the server is on the Hosted Tab or if its clased as private. It just brings out even more reasons to show that the staff team is incapable of running a server. Also why is it still on hosted tab I thought It was being removed seeing as it has been said to have very corupt staff and after seeing this first hand I have to aggree. The server's staff are not capabal of looking after it properly!

[Devil]

This is getting beyond a joke.

[Mursle]

Originally Posted by Devil

This is getting beyond a joke.

Why do you say that?

[Devil]

I can't get a straight story from either side. I need Houdiniman to come on and sort this out.

[Mursle]

Well there are some questions that I want someone to answer; like why is there 2 servers with the same content (Old:Endora and Endora). Secondly it has been said that endora is being removed as it was not inspected right and it still hasnt been removed! Can a PWA answer or questions or something?

[contiga]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

So how old is the one Tony's running? Compared to Nuto's version.

Tony's version is very old, Nutos' version has the most decent stuff on it, from 5 months later, or even more I think. Tho... we'll rescript the entire server, because it sucks :P

Originally Posted by Mursle

Well there are some questions that I want someone to answer; like why is there 2 servers with the same content (Old:Endora and Endora). Secondly it has been said that endora is being removed as it was not inspected right and it still hasnt been removed! Can a PWA answer or questions or something?

'Old Endora' is mine, and Krattos'.. and Emrys is Manager with us 2.
I'll get the Endora on the hosted tab removed ("Tony's Endora", not that he owns it, because the content is mine).