Massokre's Classic Discussion (split from Warning about graalians.com)

[jacob_bald6225]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

James, every level that I'm adding is going to have a purpose to it, as opposed to all other player worlds:

I hope you don't mean there are going to be no "pontless" player houses.

[James205]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

James, every level that I'm adding is going to have a purpose to it, as opposed to all other player worlds: both the new levels AND the levels that I bring back from Graal's past, even if it doesn't seem like it. I'll be using Stefan's house to hold the Fishing Rod. Miser is going to be the chair of Swamptown. To stress that, I made a golden forest next to his house, which will hold the key to Kull's Cave (on the other side of town), which will take you to Kull's Castle. I'm going to split Babord in half pretty much and salvage what I can of it. It's functionality probably won't be accessible until much later. I'm giving the Gnome Caves a map because I'm not much a fan of one dimensional quests. Yea, I won't be using any one dimensional quests. Unfortunately I can't use Kull's interior because the layout isn't functional under current scripting constraints. I hope maximus uploads his levels. I'll change the layout of a level if I think it could be more functional. I'll probably change Sardon's the least. Although, I'll probably gmap the floors.

That's the fault with almost every other server, so little content for a lot of levels content. I'd prefer a 3x3 overworld where every level had a purpose to a 64x64 overworld where 90% of the levels were just there to be shown and look pretty. I'm quite picky on level layouts. I'm having myself draw a map for every new dungeon I assign now.

Only if you could understand things.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by James205

Only if you could understand things.

Oh, like how I removed the empty left side of stefan's house? Looking at old scripts, that used to host a quest. The quest is gone now so that side of the house was utterly pointless.

[syltburk]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Oh, like how I removed the empty left side of stefan's house? Looking at old scripts, that used to host a quest. The quest is gone now so that side of the house was utterly pointless.

isnt zols pointless since there are no quest there anymore?

[Nightmareangel]

Originally Posted by syltburk

isnt zols pointless since there are no quest there anymore?

Technically there's one quest there. The warp ring quest! It's epic!

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by syltburk

isnt zols pointless since there are no quest there anymore?

I didn't add Zol's :P. But I still would have kept Zol's.
Like Night said: The epic warpring quest.
It will be similar to the epic fishing rod quest in Stefan's house.

Graal City is like the forest in Zelda 64. It's a friendly area where you don't have to worry about questing. Once you're done questing in other areas on the mainland, they will become friendly as well. Although I defiinitely wouldn't have had Scavengers, and I would have wanted to redo Dozer's house if I were to have redone it. I would want to put a modified version of the old Northern Limits in place of Supernicks', and so on. However, those were Storm's decisions and not mine. I'm thinking about remaking the MoD haunted house quest. I'd just need to find some way of having it fit, rather than it being so random.

[maximus_asinus]

I decided to host my own 'event' using two accounts.
I massed about sending bombs to break the record of amount held by regular player. I was able to amass one hundred thousand bombs, in little over an hour. It was great fun. As a prize, I gave away my tickets. 18 went to the giver of the 100 000th bomb, and 5 as a courtesy gift for the 99 999th bomb. Blizzaro and Jub won respectively. It is possible to have fun events without the GCs, and this was an example.

Screenshot of my amount as proof:

[Rufus]

What is going to happen to that Lycia cow shrine?

[jake13jake]

I can say that I waited too long in vain for Exodus to come back with the castle he had supposedly completed. I've assigned at least 5 LATs to the Gnome Caves (2nd Quest), and none of them have done a single level. Floydian came up with a decent gnome house idea and then he disappeared. Hopefully Maximus will get it done. I know he got the Kull's cave system done.

What's left with the castle? Well, I had finished the class scripting for it back in September-October. Exodus had done some of the sewers part, I took that and made it more implementable, Racil helped with some levels. I'm hoping I can catch him online so he can make the rest of the outlines. Pretty much now just the castle's basement and King's chamber. Yet before you can do the castle quest, I have to convince Storm to upgrade his warp ring system, because he has some random idea of how the quest should be initialized.

Once we get past initial run of mainland quests, things will go a lot smoother for a little while. And then all of a sudden, kabaam, more mainland quests. It will be a nightmare.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

I can say that I waited too long in vain for Exodus to come back with the castle he had supposedly completed. I've assigned at least 5 LATs to the Gnome Caves (2nd Quest), and none of them have done a single level. Floydian came up with a decent gnome house idea and then he disappeared. Hopefully Maximus will get it done. I know he got the Kull's cave system done.

What's left with the castle? Well, I had finished the class scripting for it back in September-October. Exodus had done some of the sewers part, I took that and made it more implementable, Racil helped with some levels. I'm hoping I can catch him online so he can make the rest of the outlines. Pretty much now just the castle's basement and King's chamber. Yet before you can do the castle quest, I have to convince Storm to upgrade his warp ring system, because he has some random idea of how the quest should be initialized.

Once we get past initial run of mainland quests, things will go a lot smoother for a little while. And then all of a sudden, kabaam, more mainland quests. It will be a nightmare.

Well then, as LAT Admin and a developer, maybe you should get rid of those LATs. Contrary to popular belief, you do not need a team of 8-9 LATs, you can produce well with 2-3 people, that combined have somewhat decent tiling ability, decent scripting ability, and somewhat decent image editing. There was never that big of an active LAT team, a majority of stuff while I was Admin was made by one or two tilers and Tyhm, the filler made by the players. You don't need extremely skilled tilers here.

This is classic, the style is supposed to be somewhat simple, it doesn't matter what
your preference may be. It doesn't matter that you don't like useless levels that you can't use for quests. Part of the big picture of Classic is that it was made by the players, sure the playerhouses didn't attribute much as far as purpose or quests go, but it was filler, it was content, it gave something newbies to explore. What do you have for newbies to explore now, after 1+ years of having the NPC server? Close to nothing, and a lot of empty houses with no links to go with it.

You have lost the fact that this is not a playerworld, but the Classic server, the what used to be the orginal server. You treat it as a playerworld though, both you and Storm. If this was a playerworld, it would have been shut down a long time ago, because it is by far the biggest joke of a playerworld anyone has seen. I think someone posted in the last classic needs reform thread, comparing Classic as it was to the requirements for a playerworld to go up, and it met what, a fourth of them? Its been pretty much stagnant since then, so I doubt we meet a 1/3 of them yet still.

The Manager is by far one of the worst I've seen, in the beginning, yes, Storm did a few things, like the now still very rough HD system and moment system, the bombs, bushes, etc. What does he do now, all I hear from you is how he does close to nothing for the server, and yes, I'd have to agree, when I was with GC, it was hard as hell to get him to approve anything major, all I got was a "hmm", pretty nice PR from the managerm eh? I had to go through Ibonic to get things done, which I really shouldn't have had to do.

The FAQ team, well, does it even exist anymore? Does it even have a use? You have one heart quest on the server now, one, which is a goddamn warp maze that looks like some 10 year old did in 20 minutes, and a small mini quest which while higher in quality by leaps and bounds(which still doesn't say much, that heart quest is downright awful), is short and yields close to no reward(yay a lamp and a graal). The admin of FAQ is
awful. He oversteps his bounds with FAQ regularly, and doesn't even do his own job. As the former admin of the division, the state the division is in now is an embarassment. Thermo doesn't push any sort of hiring, even though his team is nonexistant, and he does his own FAQ time by idling on tag at 5AM when noone is on, and got pissed when I questioned him on it.

The GP team is fine, as much as I like to mess with Stryker, he's a decent admin, doesn't step over his position like some of the former admins into other divisions(hello Chronos). While the GP team coverage is light, thats exactly where it needs to be. There is barely a need for the team in the first place.
There are no script kiddies anymore, no trainers around classic, the only thing I see the GP team able to actually enforce is profanity. The only thing I have a problem with is some of the questionable uses of the gag tool(toy).

GC team? As strong as it ever was. If you compare Classic to a dying patient in a hospital, GC would be the respirator keeping it alive. Without the constant events GC puts out, there would be a lot fewer players than there are now, there is no content or anything else to do on the server besides PK or chat otherwise.

LAT, well I pointed out most of it before, but it needs to pull off what Massokre wants, and turn into actual content, somewhat dedicated to Classic and not a playerworld, and also what the general consenus of players want, open up a goddamn voting booth, accept playerhouses to fill up some of the empty houses all over the place, and focus on producing one piece of content at a time instead of everything, don't pass the buck off on an inactive team, dump the inactive idiots and put some more pressure on yourself, you have very decent scripting abilities, and I'd imagine you could tile to some degree, thats all you need besides a graphics guy every once and awhile. Unlike most developers who you barely see online besides to test content because they are actually producing content, Massokre, you are pretty much the opposite.

Sometimes I wish Tyhm would return, and at least set things up for the better, but I doubt that would happen.

[jacob_bald6225]

Classic Tab Requirements
How to apply to become public:
Any news about how to apply will be placed in the main playerworld forum section. Read that information first, do not just e-mail us.


Levels:
-A good amount of outside levels (Lowest around 50)
-If it’s a small leveled overworld there shouldn’t be any empty houses/caves etc.
-Levels should be linked correctly and to a good standard
-No level should trap a player; there should always be a way out (Exception to jails)
-Levels should look good and be of a reasonable standard of detail and quality

Quests:
-Some way to develop the character such as quests
-Player should have fun (Not just kill everything, or carry a pot/bush)
-Each quest should be some what different


Events/Fun:
-Some way to amuse the players:
*Events
*Auctions
*Collectable Items
*Limited Items

Gameplay:

-Lots to do
-Not all over in the first 5mins
-Updates for players frequently

Some original ideas:
-Something new to please the players

Jobs:
-Some way to make/get the currency (e.g: Jobs)
-Give the player a choice in which way to make money
-Make it fun (Not all D-Bashing)

Updates:
-Updates for the server need to be ready upon release (if small)

User Friendly:
-Players starting your playerworld should know where to go and what to do straight away, and shouldn’t have to walk around for a long period of time before finding some sort of place with content.
-All Jobs/Events/Weapons etc should be well documented (e.g: Signs) so that the user knows how to use it. If it’s the basic controls, still have something stating them.(I just recently learned how perma clothes works...)

Staff:

-Staff should be able to answer the player comments or PMs.(FAQs never on)
-Staff should not be abusive or violent towards and Graal player.
-Some staff should monitor the mass messages and punish those who go against the Graal user agreement.
-All staff should be trained in their area, and know how to do their job (e.g: GPs)
-Staff do not need staff weapons therefore all staff do not need some. If you do make these they should be secure to work with staff-tags and disable sword etc.. so the weapon can not be abused.

When I posted this on July 16th I found we met 38%... re-evaluating now 5 months later I got 34%

[Tyhm]

Someone invoked my name.
*glance*
So the new team's using the wrong version of everything; "Supernicks shouldn't be there, but neither should NL, it should be Onnett town, bring back the old castle I remember" - I went over this, it was Graal1999. Two versions, one where nothing ever changed and one where everything always changed, and nobody liked either. It's not going to be the exact version you want, deal with it.

It is the humble opinion of this emeritus administrator that if you're going to renovate something, you should try to renovate it exactly so it has the minimum impact. It is also the experience of this rampant renovator that it's always more fun to take a wrecking ball to an old dead quest and remake it from scratch, not to mention less work. But what do I know? I tried to introduce Heras so we could have more than 17 "Fullheart Quests!1!!1!1", and we all saw how well that went.

I'd say for major sweeping changes hold a poll, but it won't change anything. You'll get 13 votes for Supernicks, 12 votes for NL, then someone'll call foul. Eventually you'll wind up with the world most enjoyed by the largest minority or, more to the point, bits and pieces that nobody agrees on, all stapled together haphazardly.

It's a thankless job, people will be after your neck, and you'll be lucky to see a profit when all's said and done. Enjoy it best you can, try and leave it a little better than you found it. I have neither the time to manage nor fix this poor forsaken server, whatever your various opinions of its proper name - this is not a new argument, it's been going on since the mines were initially retiled, probably a ways before that.

I like the idea of the town being peaceful, but also of the peaceful town being the quest hub. That was the point of the castle, in any eventuality, and all the scripting the King had. I was going to name him Hassenpheffer, you know, but Ragnarok insisted on Tristam. Probably for the best - Hassenpheffer's a horrid name - but Tristam's a little shady too. That would be a good NPC spot to auction off, as I did on the old trivia contests on the Level Updates page, back when we had one and people could track my progress.

Yes, I'm sure it still doesn't meet your approval for a standard issue playerworld. If it still hasn't when they release v4, then congratulations, Classic will officially have outlived its usefulness and you can dance on its grave until you start missing it. Then you'll release your version, someone else will release their version, and nothing will get done. Same as it ever was.

Don't much care for reports of how small the world is now. I suppose that'll happen when you have to start from scratch...wouldn't have had that problem if the G2K1 people let us borrow their system for a starting point. Then again, wouldn't have been a problem if the PW Control Panel had basic scripts for converting movement, baddies, etc. to serverside in the least invasive way possible, but that never happened either. So everyone makes their own homebrew movement and wastes a few hundred hours perfecting it instead of working together. Brave new world.

Oh well, do try to have fun.

[jake13jake]

Yea, Tyhm, you almost sum it up.

Yes, I'm sure it still doesn't meet your approval for a standard issue playerworld. If it still hasn't when they release v4, then congratulations, Classic will officially have outlived its usefulness and you can dance on its grave until you start missing it. Then you'll release your version, someone else will release their version, and nothing will get done. Same as it ever was.

I've put too much time and effort into this server to let that happen. Make a basic movement system, a few weapons, a few half-done quests, a few baddies, while Storm has hardly been doddling on his own overcomplicated movement system since the NPC Server. I think that Stefan should be Manager of Classic and devote a little bit of time to it.

[syltburk]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Yea, Tyhm, you almost sum it up.

I've put too much time and effort into this server to let that happen. Make a basic movement system, a few weapons, a few half-done quests, a few baddies, while Storm has hardly been doddling on his own overcomplicated movement system since the NPC Server. I think that Stefan should be Manager of Classic and devote a little bit of time to it.

You crossed the line, I rather see Storm still being manager then having you as LAT Admin, storms managing everything. He understands what classic is about, you crossed the line.

Someone else 4 lat admin.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by syltburk

You crossed the line, I rather see Storm still being manager then having you as LAT Admin, storms managing everything. He understands what classic is about, you crossed the line.

Someone else 4 lat admin.

Yea, but if Stefan came into manage, I think it would be Storm 4 LAT Admin and me for Asst. LAT Admin.

You shouldn't really make assumptions on the unspoken :P.

[syltburk]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Yea, but if Stefan came into manage, I think it would be Storm 4 LAT Admin and me for Asst. LAT Admin.

You shouldn't really make assumptions on the unspoken :P.

Mate, if stefan would be manager Storm would be manager because stefans managing a whole game, so...


Massokre - Out

Someone else - in

[James205]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Someone invoked my name.
*glance*

I brought up your name, because it's a great example of what's going on. Let me explain...

I remember when you started adding a lot of great things to classic, in some ways it made it much better. You reshaped the whole island to make sense, you added somewhat of a storyline, added great weapons, tons of complicated things that were really good quality.

After a while I started noticing something different about classic that it started to feel like a completely different playerworld and leave it's old meaning. I also felt that you should of made your own playerworld because with your skills you could of made something amazing and people would appreciate it, but since it was classic you took in a lot of crap from people... and it wasn't really your fault.

You can make the highest quality of content on classic (example: Tyhm's amazing scripting/managing), you can update it and redo everything but it has already been proven that it doesn't work because that's not what classic is. I agree with most of DC said (except a good amount of the stuff he said about master storm) and what Tyhm said.

In reality all of us are waiting for the real version of classic to come back out, not a watered down version. Trying to improve everything and change things based off your opinion will NOT work, so start giving the players what they want again.

start listening...

[Warcaptain]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

<what Tyhm said at the top of this page>

I ran into the same problems with Enigma. (I know it's not a popular topic.. anywhere.. because people seemed to hate it.)

The original world I released was horrible.. really really horrible. When the playerworld went up half of the things didn't work and I had no idea that things were different online than offline. I struggled daily to keep things running. (This was, mind you, back when there were only like 5 playerworlds. So don't go saying things like, "Well you should have worked on other playerworlds before you made one, then you would have known.") And then I released a whole new overworld to try and start from scratch.. this made everyone mad of course. Enigma at that time had around 100 players daily and everyone liked it (for who knows what reason) Then once I was forced to change the new overworld (years later) to comply with NPC-Server.. everyone got mad again. You can never please the players of Graal. I can empathize with them, I think back to 'Graal Online' (before it became called 'classic') and I love it. Everything was so fun, and the simple things that seem so complicated now.. like guilds, staff, and level rights.. didn't matter. Everyone pitched in to help a struggling game that was really fun. But I guess thats just a side effect of getting older, you look back on the way things used to be and wish they were that way again. The fools journey is trying to make those things back the way they were.

[Tyhm]

I'll applaud you if you ever find out what the players want, as it's unlikely two will ever agree completely on all points. Sure, you can get a majority that want Voluran's back the way it was, but you can't get that same majority to decide which version of Destiny should exist, and they'll all want the gold sword but that doesn't mean they should have it.

[DarkCloud_PK]

I think you misinterpreted what I said, James.
In all honesty, I don't really want the pre 1.39 classic back, the levels did not make what was fun about Graal then, sure they helped, but it was the community that made Graal fun, for almost everyone, and that community isn't coming back, a majority have long long moved on. Proof of this was the Graal2000 projects, level for level they were the old graal, both failed miserably. Everyone has a different idea for the "perfect" Classic, quite frankly, there is none.

I do want the server to at least somewhat resemble classic, and fit the by the players for the players theme of Classic, with a majority of the key elements of Classic intact. Not a playerworld in which there is no player input, no player houses, and just a server driven on what Storm and Massokre want to do. I want the landscape to somewhat resemble what Classic used to look like, with the key areas and towns somewhat intact. Keep Classic to some degree "Classic". I'm not going to have a complete fit though if that isn't what happens however.

For the most part, I would like some form of content, something to do, something new to explore. There has been next to nothing added, that has been accessible, for over a year to the server(All those empty levels that came with the small overworld expansion a few months ago are still not even accessible. The LAT continue to attempt to focus their attention on every single project at once, instead of concentrating on one or two things and releasing them one at a time, and handing projects to inactive LATs instead of Massokre steping up to the plate and getting stuff done. My main gripe is content, in any players eyes, the LAT do close to nothing for the server except run around on tag on buildings and watch events. I don't care what you say is in the works, Massokre. Frankly, the LAT have been talking about what they're going to be doing for months upon months, talk is cheap, where are the results?

[DarkCloud_PK]

Any suggestions for Stefan to manage Classic are way off base.
It will never happen again, ever.

[Polo]

The main thing that made Classic 'so' is the community, and regardless of the levels we have, without that community we will never have that same feeling. Now, of course I want to keep a certain ammount of Classic just so, tha main central city area, gonna maybe readd modtown, that sort of thing, but at the end of the day, old players will always leave, either out growing Graal, or following friends to other servers. Before we switched to NPC Server and started rebuilding from scratch, we were still losing those players. I can revert back to those levels, given a reasonable time to convert them all etc., but I can see no reason why that loss of players would not simply continue.

For me, it's more important to try and bring in new players, and build the community of the future.

[jake13jake]

Just so you know, I started in September as LAT Admin, not January. I recently got permission from Storm to rescript the warp ring, so once I do that I will be able to put up the Castle's (first) quest.

The lantern isn't pointless, although I might want to rescript the corresponding class. I just forgot to ask Master Storm if he could add one of my functions to the public functions that would make it easier to do a lot of things. You'll see use of the lantern once in the castle. Gnome Caves, I want to make use of it 2-3 times. I'll probably use it in the boss room.

But, right now I'm in the middle of final exams, and my Macroeconomics one is about to start, so I must leave you. for the time being.

[Tyhm]

It'd be nice to have the community back, but rebuilding Classic's a lot like rebuilding Woodstock - you need unique social pressures for it to develop. Things like, loathe though I am to yield shockedfrog's point, it has to be the only Graal server, one of very few free online games, with a corrupt and absent staff to give players the sense that they could do a better job of things, horridly attached levels uploaded on the basis of who's the admin's friend, and most importantly, the final word has to be the guy we all trust to do what's best for his baby, Stefan. Since we can't get pretty much any of these points and are unwilling to create the rest, yeah, I'm afraid we're stuck with trying to make it newbie friendly enough to offer to Unixmad as The Newbie Server. That'd bring back community, get everyone started there learning the controls before they run off to Zone or whatnot.

[Yen]

Zzz.. Too much reading.

Just wondering.. What's wrong with Classic and how did it happen?
I haven't played in 3-4 years, since a certain GP banned me for quitting LAT. I had gone through quests with staff boots to find out how they were supposed to function, so I knew they were working properly when I rescripted them. So my flags didn't correspond to my stats. x-x'

[nikomi946]

A series of events happened to classic over the past several years. If you want details it would take a few pages to explain.

[Inspiration]

It's really funny just how long this has been going on for, and yet nothing is done about it.


There IS a way to keep most of the people on classic happy. None of you are going to find it like this, though.

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

There IS a way to keep most of the people on classic happy. None of you are going to find it like this, though.

You seem rather certain of that. Do you intend to put your money where your mouth is, or do you just run it because you're afraid it'll burst in this winter weather?

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

You seem rather certain of that. Do you intend to put your money where your mouth is, or do you just run it because you're afraid it'll burst in this winter weather?

Well obviously the chance for me to "put my money where my mouth is" is not currently existent, but yes, I am fairly sure I could make THE MAJORITY of the players of classic happy.


I did it with N-Pulse when I managed there. Mostly, I understand what the average player likes, wants, and enjoys. Being that I played classic for over 2000 hours from 99 to now, I have a fairly good idea of how to put everything together in a package that most players would enjoy.

Of course you can think I'm just talking out of my rear, and I'm sure that you would hold yourself as more of an expert on the situation, having tried it yourself, but hey, every time I talk to someone that plays/played classic about my ideas, they seem to agree that I have a fairly good idea of how the server should be set up.


Maybe I couldnt do a better job, but I'd be damned suprised if that was the case.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

stuff

No.

[iownu]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

No.

"No" is not really a good responce to anything written there.

Care to elaborate?

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

Well obviously the chance for me to "put my money where my mouth is" is not currently existent, but yes, I am fairly sure I could make THE MAJORITY of the players of classic happy.


I did it with N-Pulse when I managed there. Mostly, I understand what the average player likes, wants, and enjoys. Being that I played classic for over 2000 hours from 99 to now, I have a fairly good idea of how to put everything together in a package that most players would enjoy.

Of course you can think I'm just talking out of my rear, and I'm sure that you would hold yourself as more of an expert on the situation, having tried it yourself, but hey, every time I talk to someone that plays/played classic about my ideas, they seem to agree that I have a fairly good idea of how the server should be set up.


Maybe I couldnt do a better job, but I'd be damned suprised if that was the case.

I agree with Inspiration. Pleasing the majority of classic players wouldnt be all that difficult. I havent seen a Admin on Classic since back when it was the only server who actually listened to the players instead of doing there own thing. That is the key but no one ever follows it. For starters get rid of this ridiculous new hit detection and quit turning the server into some anti lamer playground. Why dont you try asking players if they like the new 0 hit detection instead of just ASSUMING it would go over well with them. Because the MAJORITY would say otherwise. But the admins wouldnt know that because like i said they do whatever they want. Why must this single server be different from ALL the rest. It shouldnt and it takes away from gameplay. Another thing is the Admin needs to be and remain neutral and treat all staff equally. Also they need to know when to be sturn so that things get done when they are supposed to. The GC is the best thing on clasisc mainly because Nightmareangel runs the show. He keeps all the GC's active and there are always events going on. The last person i ever Recall Massing and asking what the players would like was Com13. And that involved races. He actually removed the races from the server because the players didnt want them. That is the kind of leadership we need. An admin who talks to people and accepts feedback and suggestions.

[Luda]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I agree with Inspiration.

METOO

[Yen]

From asking around, I've surmised that the main reason behind Classic's decline is the lack of quest content.
There's not much that could have been done about that.. The server had so many levels, it'd take an extremely long time for a group of dedicated scripters to convert or rescript everything.

Oyah, I love Tyhm. <3

[jake13jake]

Inspiration, if you want to come join LAT and help, with a good app I'd love to have you.
The GC Team seems to really enjoy my castle quest from testing. I'm trying to get all of the rooms linked, lost where I put the throne room and dining hall though . Then comes getting the boss done, rescripting the warp ring, fixing the weak statue class, and making it ridiculously hard to sneak into the throne room without defeating the boss. Then make sure the guards handle the individual clients correctly.


If anyone has some advise, why isn't strcontains(#s(clientr.quest_dungeon_statues),#s(t his.statueID)) returning true as

clientr.quest_dungeon_statues=ab
this.statueID=a
??
I can do it in gs2, clientr.quest_dungeon_statues.pos(this.statueID) != -1.
However, the pos string attribute function isn't in old gscript.

I just want v4 to be released so I stop having gscript1 nightmares :'(.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

I can do it in gs2, clientr.quest_dungeon_statues.pos(this.statueID) != -1.
However, the pos string attribute function isn't in old gscript.

I just want v4 to be released so I stop having gscript1 nightmares :'(.

indexof()

[Tyhm]

Really oughtn't. He was rather...succinct in his request that his own likeness not be used anymore.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Really oughtn't. He was rather...succinct in his request that his own likeness not be used anymore.

lol... I can respect that. But why in the world did you use him?

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

lol... I can respect that. But why in the world did you use him?

Because it was funny, duh. ^_~

Hillarious. This late in the development, people still seem to think throwing fullhearts at players is better than the stupid Hera system. Spoiled...

[Inspiration]

Classic shouldnt be about any manager or admins "Vision" of classic.

Classic should be just that. Classic. It's not a player world, nor should it be treated like one.



It's really quite simple.

Restore all old levels. Keep it around 1.38, possibly a few versions later. That was the point where the server functioned best level wise.

Rescript everything, keep functionality the same, improve quality. Update supernicks with some new more functional scripting to allow better sparring.

Focus on events and new areas.

Why will this work?

Simple!

A) People are happy that the old levels are back. They will also be happy that new areas to explore are now being added.

B) What do people do on a normal player world? Spar, PK, Chat, Events. Supernicks, Level 14/13, and we have a huge event house. Looks good to me.

C) Kill the Hera system, bring back old heart quests. Not only will it give the server a more classic feel, it will add to the playability. Hera's just were too time consuming. No one wants to quest for 10 hours just to be able to spar and PK normally.



What people want when they log on classic is a playable server that looks and feels fairly the same as it did years ago, along with added new content to keep them entertained.

Instead you all focus on remaking, reorganizing, rethinking, ect.

If you want your own player world with your own ideas, go make one. Leave classic as classic.