Hey, esteemed PWA team

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by protagonist

I volunteered, and I started making the menu for choosing a playerworld, but the scripting I was doing wasn't efficient so I decided to forfeit my job so that someone more qualified could make it. I wasn't asked to do anything else.).

Dude, you don't only just script. Wasn't you LAT Chief on UN before you started scripting? Bit too late now

[QUOTE=protagonist]Why? What incentive do I have? I have no desire to make things simply to show off. Give me a reason to spend more time than I would like to showing off (other than trying to please a relatively small group of the community).[/QUOTE

You want G2K1 back? your more incompetitent than Lance,. I guess I myself and some of the community would take you more seriously if you did show off some of your work or something.

NOW DER IS A SUMMER PLAYRWURLD WIL U HELP SPARK?

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

Dude, you don't only just script. Wasn't you LAT Chief on UN before you started scripting? Bit too late now

You're just maliciously attacking me. I was, yes, but you should know that making original levels that are nicely detailed takes time. I don't have that time to waste just to prove myself.

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

You want G2K1 back? your more incompetitent than Lance,.

Huh? How do you figure? You're not even backing up your claims with fact. You're just saying stuff.

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I guess I myself and some of the community would take you more seriously if you did show off some of your work or something.

I have better things to do. I don't do stuff unless I take it under my responsibility list. Showing off isn't going to make that list any time soon.

[osrs]

Graal2230 was a great project, I tried to help Jagen and GhostPirate (They were in charge of it at that time) and probably would have changed Graal a lot, like Graal2001 and Graal Kingdoms did, but it just disappeared. I really disliked the playerworld-renting thing, anyone can be a Manager now, that position used to be a 'desire' some years ago, but no more. (Reminding that it's just my opinion, I'm not arguing or related stuff). There are some playerworlds that look promising anyway, like Zenkou, hope the staffs can finish it somehow.

[Shaun]

If any group has the skills to make a really good playerworld, they would likely figure out it's better to make their own game. That way, they own the rights to it (instead of GraalOnline grabbing them up), they don't have to pay Graal's rediculous fees (or require that each player on the world has to pay Graal), they have more control of the in-game content, they are limited only by their programming ability, and there are likely other advantages.

Right now, this is how Graal's playerworld system works:

Alpha needs a VIP account to even think about registering a playerworld: Alpha.money-=a;
Alpha registers a playerworld: Alpha.money-=b; Cyberjoueur.money+=b;
Alpha makes content for playerworld. Alpha.time-=c;
Linux Cyberjoueur owns intellectual rights to said content: Alpha.conent-=d; Cyberjoueur.content+=d;
Playerworld staff need to pay to work on playerworld: Staff.money-=a; Cyberjoueur.money+=xa;
Playerworld staff work on content: Staff.time-=kc;
Players need to pay to access playerworld: Player.money-=a; Cyberjoueur.money+=ya;

We take the sum of that, and we get:

Playerworld Manager's money: Initial - a -b
Playerworld Manager's time: Initial - c
Playerworld Manager's content ownership: Initial - d

Playerworld Staff's money: Initial - a
Playerworld Staff's time: Initial - kc

Playerworld Player's money: Initial - a

Cyberjoueur's money: Initial + a(x+y+1) + b
Cyberjoueur's content ownership: Initial + d

In the end, everybody loses, GraalOnline wins. Whenever you produce stuff, you are, in reality, paying GraalOnline to be given the right to volunteer.Yes, they do have all this available for you to use, but if you have the talent, you may as well make your own game.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Shaun

In the end, everybody loses, GraalOnline wins

That's a little oversimplistic, dude. Most people enjoy developing playerworlds.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Shaun

In the end, everybody loses, GraalOnline wins. Whenever you produce stuff, you are, in reality, paying GraalOnline to be given the right to volunteer.Yes, they do have all this available for you to use, but if you have the talent, you may as well make your own game.

I've known this and thank jebus I only make levels.

Easy and just way to boost my ego

[GoZelda]

I think it might be possible for Graalonline to spawn some decent PW's if they used the old system where you created an offline world and that would be reviewed. If it was good enough, it'd just be put online and no need to worry about paying cash.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

I think it might be possible for Graalonline to spawn some decent PW's if they used the old system where you created an offline world and that would be reviewed

How would that lead to better playerworlds?

Also, would it be worth the loss of income? If Graal doesn't get enough funds, there won't be any playerworlds.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How would that lead to better playerworlds?

They'd need to pass a certain level of decency to be even allowed on the playerworld list.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Also, would it be worth the loss of income? If Graal doesn't get enough funds, there won't be any playerworlds.

There won't really be any loss of income. Until the playerworld has passed the test, it won't be taking up any server space and when it has passed the test and passed like 2 months in beta then GraalOnline has atleast one more better PW that'll attract more players.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

They'd need to pass a certain level of decency to be even allowed on the playerworld list

Well, it might increase the average quality, but is that so significant? People will gravitate towards whichever server they prefer. The less impressive ones will quietly die and harm nobody in the process.

There won't really be any loss of income. Until the playerworld has passed the test, it won't be taking up any server space

Right. But will Graal be getting money from the server renting?

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Right. But will Graal be getting money from the server renting?

No, but they'll have a quality server almost for free. This will probably draw more players to Graal. (And, if Graal decides to be greedy, they can make it P2P so more people sign up for P2P to play it. Heck, with some marketing like releasing it fully for classics the first month then going P2P this might even work. All given it is good, of course.)

[Xcessive54321]

Originally Posted by Googi

How come all the playerworlds are so awful? I mean, the best playerworlds out there are Era and Unholy Nation. What's up with that?

it's because of all the trials they can only go to classic, so they go to the one thats thier favorite or the one with most people, and un has abunch of new stuff

[Xcessive54321]

use gamemaker for games man. but im lucky i make levels to

[Mitch]

The graalonline administrations would most likely abandon or reject plans of this specific nature. They gain money in return for hosting the game and updating, however it is most likely they do not wish to give money. I believe the company itself already has access to professional development teams.

If something like this were to happen, people from outside of graal would develop certain parts of the playerworld for money. I am betting mostly anything these people will be extremely advanced and very expensive, turning graal into an economically related mmorpg.

[HoudiniMan]

Well a few servers like Oasis and that S-omething Ages one were given to the owners free of charge based on killer content, so there is precedent for it.

But I haven't seen anybody meeting those standards in a long time.