Dev-Update for Atrius

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Inspiration-Once again, Zelda. I'll call him Sephraaloth and he can be the online version.

Are you trying to say that you can use copyrighted material because Graal is a Zelda-like theme?

as UN goes, sorry to the dev's of that server in advance, but I couldn't take that place. First time I logged on there, I didn't log on again. All I saw was a mess of activities that served no purpose to any kind of plot or consistent theme.

In all fairness,they must be giving a LARGE amount of players what they want and enjoy, as a LARGE amount of the playerbase play there.

Personally, I cant stand all the gangster, shoot-em-up type PW's...It just isn't Graal...

[koopa1128]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

In all fairness,they must be giving a LARGE amount of players what they want and enjoy, as a LARGE amount of the playerbase play there...

Well, I would say your partially correct, I believe that it started out or obtained more people in the first place, Causing more people to come. After the average person downloads a game such as graal, They would tend to go to the server with more people. Thats why there happen to be many trials on UN, and after they would upgrade, considering UN was the server they played, most likley they would continue to play there. Although it's just an opinion.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Personally, I cant stand all the gangster, shoot-em-up type PW's...It just isn't Graal...

I couldn't agree with you more.
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All this might be a bit too late within the post, but I thought I'd throw some input in.

[Enerith]

Darlene, if thats not enough to use it, then I'll just call it my electronic copy, because I have the model in real life. I don't care if people on graal don't like modern. I joined graal for Era, and then it went to crap. If the people that play graal come for classic, then I'll find and attract my own target market which is modern-lovers.

Gerami, thank you... thats the best point on this post, and one that I've been trying to stress since the start of Atrius.

Let me also say that guns will be somewhat discouraged in Atrius. We don't want to be viewed as a "gun server". I'll explain our base for PK somewhat so you can get an idea of what will happen, IF people want to PK (but there will be much more to do than that). There is a clip system set up, but not implemented right now, so that when a player wants to use guns, they have to manually load their clips. When you are in the middle of a fight and you are out of clips to load into your gun, you are in trouble if you're a bad melee fighter. So, melee is more of an issue than guns. But, no worries about PK... there will be plenty of quests to cooperate against AI too. Furthermore we are hoping on a good portion of concentration towards item collection, housing, and our realism events.

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Darlene, if thats not enough to use it, then I'll just call it my electronic copy, because I have the model in real life.

I didn't think it was that hard for someone to grasp the concept of copywrighted material.

[Enerith]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

I didn't think it was that hard for someone to grasp the concept of copywrighted material.

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game. My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted, it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG. 1. I made it from MSPaint. 2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online. 3. Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies. 4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?
Thanks, goodbye.

[Waltz5]

Bah, I hate when the margins get screwed up .

Originally Posted by Enerith

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game.

Ok you got me... you know all due to the fact your a business major.

My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted.

Ok that's all well and good, but that's mine.

it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG.

I don't have a server with obvious duplicates of characters, all of that other stuff, like music, is not relevant.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game. My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted, it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG. 1. I made it from MSPaint. 2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online. 3. Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies. 4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?
Thanks, goodbye.

The name Zelda Online was changed due to copyright issues. If you're a business major, I hope it is not in business law, because you know nothing about it.

Originally Posted by Enerith

1. I made it from MSPaint.

Okay, wow. So I read someone elses published work, and then copy it by typing in MS Word, so the copyright on the work becomes invalid?

Originally Posted by Enerith

2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online

Or a game that was called that about 8 years ago, but was changed to to copyright issues.

Originally Posted by Enerith

3.Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies.

You've already admitted it is him. Invalid.

Originally Posted by Enerith

4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?

No, but I did not then take that MP3 and use it in a body of published work without permission.

And exactly how does someone else doing something wrong justify you doing it?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Wow, can we drop the copyright thing? I'm a business management major, please don't assume that my knowledge of such is inferior to anyone on this game. My point is not that Sephiroth is copyrighted, it is that people would be hypocrites to point out that I have a graphic on my server that resembles a character from an RPG

Either you don't know what 'hypocrite' means or you're making some unfounded assumptions about your critics. Of course, you are not allowed to argue against this, because I am an English major.

1. I made it from MSPaint

So? The only thing that matters here is the published media. The tools used to create it are entirely irrelevant.

2. You are playing a game that is referred to as Zelda Online

Well, that's not its name. Graal resembles Zelda, but it has been altered to a point where the two games are legally distinct.

3. Theres plenty of RPG characters that look the same and come out of different companies

True enough. But this is about magnitudes, and it's extremely rare for two characters in separate games to show such a degree of similarity. To support your point, you have to show that the figure is sufficiently different from Sephiroth to obviate legal complications.

4. Are you telling me you never downloaded an mp3?

Piracy isn't even similar to unlicensed use of intellectual property.

Regardless, nobody's saying that your actions are morally wrong or whatever. They're merely saying that you're breaking the rules, and that accusation is not dependent on what they do in their spare time.

[Hiro]

GG.

[Snakeandy7]

want 2 c my version era??!!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Snakeandy7

want 2 c my version era??!!

thats actually a pretty cool level o_o

[Enerith]

lol Gerami, I was gonna say the same thing. If era looked like that I might actually play. Heres us testing our streetlights out:

[Bl0nkt]

Unbe-****ing-lievable. Darlene, I really don't know what the hell is wrong with you, but you need to pull your god damned head out of your ass. You trash talk Atrius because it is a server with guns by saying "i haet dem al shewt em uhp shersvers". Then you go to trying to say how unlawfull the owner of Atrius is. You're no more than a "racist" on the grounds of playerworld anatomy.

And to everyone who said that Sephiroth is a violation of copyright, think of the definition of copyright.

The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work.

In other words, taking the credit for something made by another. Madj isn't taking credit for ****. He "drew" a replica of a character from a video game and put it in his room because maybe he likes that game series. It is no different than buying the damn thing in real life and getting sued for copyright infringement. The two do NOT add up.

Another note..
Avoid the swear filter? I believe saying "****" is helping the spam filter. Add it up.

[Judge_S]

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Unbe-****ing-lievable. Darlene, I really don't know what the hell is wrong with you, but you need to pull your god damned head out of your ass. You trash talk Atrius because it is a server with guns by saying "i haet dem al shewt em uhp shersvers".

...Are you trying to get banned? She said nothing of the sort. You're just trying to pick a fight.

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Then you go to trying to say how unlawfull the owner of Atrius is. You're no more than a "racist" on the grounds of playerworld anatomy.

Uploading copyrighted materials to Graal servers is against the rules. It's against the Terms of Use that you agree to when you make a server. It's against the EULA you agree to when you install Graal. I don't see how it can't be unlawful.
And "racist on the grounds of a playerworld anatomy?" What, so she's not allowed to dislike Era-esque servers? She's supposed to be penalized for having an opinion? You can't ask for critisism and then only accept ones you like.

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

He "drew" a replica of a character from a video game and put it in his room because maybe he likes that game series.

He drew a replica from a model he bought personal rights to, and is now placing that drawing into the public domain, without written permission from its owners.

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

It is no different than buying the damn thing in real life and getting sued for copyright infringement. The two do NOT add up.

It's actually really different. When you buy a CD, you're paying the publishers and artist(s) for personal use of what is theirs according to copyright.
Choosing to take a company's intellectual property, and making a direct copy (granted, modifying it slightly to suit the environment it's placed in) and placing it into a public domain, while not being granted written permission to modify and use such property in that manner in the first place, IS against the law.

You want to avoid the hassle? Get rid of the thing. It's aesthetic, and serves no practical purpose. All it's doing is causing controversy. Ask yourself, is it really worth it?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

And to everyone who said that Sephiroth is a violation of copyright, think of the definition of copyright.

The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work.

In other words, taking the credit for something made by another

Uh. That definition doesn't mention credit. It's about publication, production, sale and distribution.

Anyway, your server is unoriginal. You're using a tired, overused theme and you don't appear to be innovating in the slightest. Guilds, shops, mining and planting? Utterly generic.