A Comedy of Species

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

So you are saying that the majority opinion of any arbitrarily chosen set of people is automatically correct?

You seem pretty arbitrary.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

True. The absence of proper roleplaying regulations means that you can damage that element of the server in whatever way that you want. You can freely abuse whatever power you have in order to make yourself feel special. Like the script kiddy that abuses security flaws in order to grant himself power, you are quite able to boast about other people's inability to stop you. Kudos to you!

Kudos to you, Kaimetsu. Your one skill seems to be arguing. I daresay I could hold a red pen up to you and listen to you lecture for two hours on how the pen is really blue. Things are what they are. The server is no worse the wear for my character being slightly unique yet not overpowered. There are bigger RP-damaging fish to fry, such as samurais named PoPo, Samurais period, angruy rastaffarian merchants that decide to turn elvish sans provocation, and a slew of noobie RPers who don't know IC from OOC.

I have been Daveon for three years. The server has yet to have a major gang-bang of uniques. Ghost Pirate's character was arguable more unique than mine- HE WAS DEAD. Yet he was a great Roleplayer, influenced both servers for the positive. I'm not going to pretend I've done his level of work for the ecosystem of Roleplaying, but I'm not going to sit here and let some verbose little debator slander me for wholy unfounded causes.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

You seem pretty arbitrary

Given your inability to answer my question, I'm inclined to think you don't know what it means.

Kudos to you, Kaimetsu. Your one skill seems to be arguing

My one skill? Do you really believe that's accurate?

I daresay I could hold a red pen up to you and listen to you lecture for two hours on how the pen is really blue. Things are what they are

I think you missed a couple of words there. Didn't you mean to say "Things are what I say they are"?

The server is no worse the wear for my character being slightly unique

According to you. See?

There are bigger RP-damaging fish to fry, such as samurais named PoPo, Samurais period, angruy rastaffarian merchants that decide to turn elvish sans provocation, and a slew of noobie RPers who don't know IC from OOC

Why are those bad things? Because you say so? Maybe you're just not wearing the right color of hat. If you mean to imply that those things are universally bad then you're just contradicting yourself. If you're saying that the majority think they're bad then you'll need to provide evidence. Do you have statistics? If such things are so commonly disliked, why do they still exist?

I have been Daveon for three years. The server has yet to have a major gang-bang of uniques. Ghost Pirate's character was arguable more unique than mine- HE WAS DEAD

Indeed, but that didn't require him to modify the universe in any significant way. Anybody can die, and we already know that there are undead creatures in the world.

I'm not going to sit here and let some verbose little debator slander me for wholy unfounded causes.

Little? >:O

[GryffonDurime]

I'd like to see an end to this back and forth bantering starting now. It's counter productive, and cluttering this forum with trash.

Godwin's law, as padren said, is a cute little theory. I give it about as much credibility and respect as, oh, say, a livejournal posting or perhaps a popup. Wow, I compared a **** to someone having an attitude that "I am right, you are wrong, even if it's none of my business". Invading OUR community's roleplay practices, though not as severe, genocidal, or tragic, is indeed semi-congruent to invading a foreign country to expand your little egocentric empire of Kai-land.

That being said, we return you to your normal thread, still in progress despite Kaimetsu's best attempts to derail it was thinly-veiled sarcastic quips and psuedo-intellectial allusions to esoteric laws of the internet counter-culture.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I'd like to see an end to this back and forth bantering starting now

Then why do you perpetuate it?

Wow, I compared a **** to someone having an attitude that "I am right, you are wrong, even if it's none of my business". Invading OUR community's roleplay practices

I'm invading nothing. I don't profess to have any power over what you do, I merely criticise your childish and egocentric need to have a superspecial character.

That being said, we return you to your normal thread, still in progress despite Kaimetsu's best attempts to derail it

I'm derailing it? You just dedicated an entire post to insulting me, without tackling any of the issues being discussed!

[Lance]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I'd like to see an end to this back and forth bantering starting now. It's counter productive, and cluttering this forum with trash.

Valid debate isn't trash. This thread has proven an interesting and informative read.

Godwin's law, as padren said, is a cute little theory. I give it about as much credibility and respect as, oh, say, a livejournal posting or perhaps a popup. Wow, I compared a **** to someone having an attitude that "I am right, you are wrong, even if it's none of my business". Invading OUR community's roleplay practices, though not as severe, genocidal, or tragic, is indeed semi-congruent to invading a foreign country to expand your little egocentric empire of Kai-land.

Ya'know, Kaimetsu is part of the community, too. Rumor has it that he even enjoys Role-Playing. I guess you've never roleplayed wearing a huge purple hat.

I don't think Kai can help it if you can't (or, in the case of Padren (if he is to be believed), won't) counter his points.

That being said, we return you to your normal thread, still in progress despite Kaimetsu's best attempts to derail it was thinly-veiled sarcastic quips and psuedo-intellectial allusions to esoteric laws of the internet counter-culture.

I'm not sure what thread you're reading here, but Kaimetsu's been firmly arguing on-topic. The only derails I see are those that choose to argue against the person rather than against the arguments. I believe we call that 'ad hominem' in the grown-up world, and it's generally considered a poor debate tactic.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Lance

Valid debate isn't trash. This thread has proven an interesting and informative read.



Ya'know, Kaimetsu is part of the community, too. Rumor has it that he even enjoys Role-Playing. I guess you've never roleplayed wearing a huge purple hat.

I don't think Kai can help it if you can't (or, in the case of Padren (if he is to be believed), won't) counter his points.



I'm not sure what thread you're reading here, but Kaimetsu's been firmly arguing on-topic. The only derails I see are those that choose to argue against the person rather than against the arguments. I believe we call that 'ad hominem' in the grown-up world, and it's generally considered a poor debate tactic.

You can derail a topic while being on topic - if you are talking about the quality of bullet trains you can always compare them to purple hats...its on topic but it doesn't contribute anything to the topic.

A valid debate is not trash, but I would hardly call this a valid debate. Its a series of hyperbolic emotionally charged inheirently flawed analogies glued around a person's pet peeve, with responses in the range of 'what the hell are you on?' to 'um reality works like this...' and such.

Kai can enjoy roleplaying, but when he claims something is damaging the roleplaying community here, at the same time as he acknowledges he doesn't roleplay with the community here, and is not aware of the current events in the community here, I don't think he has the credibility to tell individual players here what they should and should not be able to do.

If you enjoy the debate you can take it up with Kai if you like, I don't think anyone else other than Kai is enjoying themselves. Myself, I have a hard time believing someone as intelligent as Kai would be so handicapped by tunnel vision to persist in his insistance that his fallacies are sound. Its probably an errant hope, but I do hope that if I break down the logic into smaller and smaller bite sized parts, maybe eventually if tea spoon fed, he will where we is off the mark. It is generally useless because no matter how simplified things get, he doesn't really care if he looks like to fool to everyone else as long as he can still convince himself that he was clever and witty.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

You can derail a topic while being on topic - if you are talking about the quality of bullet trains you can always compare them to purple hats...its on topic but it doesn't contribute anything to the topic

Well, nor do your pathetic attempts at rebuttals.

Its a series of hyperbolic emotionally charged inheirently flawed analogies

No, your arguments are "inheirently" flawed! HAH.

when he claims something is damaging the roleplaying community here

When did I say that? Can you only defeat somebody's argument if you intentionally misrepresent it? My argument is that Gryffon's backstory:

1. Indicates an egocentric attitude to roleplaying, which (even you must agree) is something to be avoided.
2. Encourages other people to adopt or develop similar attitudes, especially since he commands a kingdom.

For all I know, we might've been lucky up to now. Maybe you're right, maybe he hasn't had much of a negative influence. But I do not think that luck is a good reason to sanction disruptive behaviour.

I have a hard time believing someone as intelligent as Kai would be so handicapped by tunnel vision to persist in his insistance that his fallacies are sound

Right back atcha', buddy. Except without the pseudo-compliment.


Now, it would be awesome if you could offer more in this debate than "KAI IS WRONG KAI IS DUMB KAI IS THE SATAN". Like, maybe rational arguments in place of all your insults and assertions?

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

lalala

I wasn't talking to you.

[Zero Hour]

Why do you still entertain this topic and thread, Kaimetsu?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Why do you still entertain this topic and thread, Kaimetsu?

Why do you think? It helps me catch up to Kamuii.
I'll wager that's better than Padren's excuse!

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Why do you think? It helps me catch up to Kamuii.
I'll wager that's better than Padren's excuse!

Heh... [:

[Inspiration]

If someone with a contagious virus walks through a crowded area, you can not say for sure if or if not anyone will contract this virus.

If or if not anyone does, the fact that this person has walked through the area makes the chances far greater that another will catch it, and spread it to even more people, than if that person had never walked through the area.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Inspiration

If someone with a contagious virus walks through a crowded area, you can not say for sure if or if not anyone will contract this virus

Yeah, exactly. Even if they don't, it could erode their immune systems to a point where something else does get them. There's no way for us to measure the actual effect the person had, but we can most definitely speculate on the probable consequences, and suggest suitable means for avoiding them.

[GryffonDurime]

Impartial?

You?

Kaimestu Impartial?

You, who barraged this thread with an opinionated blitzkreig of concoluted logic?

C'est le fin.

[Sildae]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Impartial?

You?

Kaimestu Impartial?

You, who barraged this thread with an opinionated blitzkreig of concoluted logic?

C'est le fin.

Uhm, I am the opinionated gal. Kai is the one who came up with all the annoying logic that made me back off in the first place.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

You, who barraged this thread with an opinionated blitzkreig of concoluted logic?

There is a difference between being impartial and having no opinion. I suggest that you learn it before attempting to argue on this subject.

[Moonite]

.ces le cret'rs bleha nub.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Moonite

.ces le cret'rs bleha nub.

And yet another intelligent remark from Moonite!

[Brad]

you guys spent hours typing to argue over races in graal

go buy yourself mcdonalds you deserve an award