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Old 02-10-2005, 05:11 AM
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It's the victim's fault if one would get scammed. I personally think scamming is not a major issue, as I elaborate on my opinion, maybe you will see things differently. I can not express any stronger than the fact is, If you get scammed, It's your own fault! I only trust about 3-5 people on graal, I have known these people for long periods of time, I also have their phone number, Incase they go insane, I can bug them. Normally you can tell if someone is a scammer or not, Most people decide, Oh, But they're my friend, and I know he/she is a scammer but... I think I'm going to test my trust with him/her and show myself, and everyone else that I am friends with them. --Or something along those lines. That is one of the leading causes of scamming, Testing your trust with people. I think scamming should be legal because if your friend gets scammed and you try to scam back the items for them, You shouldn't get in trouble for it. Which will take me back to something which occured a year or so ago. Loriel was administrator of Graal Kingdoms, and Kenshin (blkeagle12) scammed Alex (Adeno) or his [Frost Shield +12?]. I, Being the good person I am, use my Ice Sword to scam it back for Alex, Which is someone I didn't even know at the time, and give it to him. I scammed kenshin over the trade tables in Bomboria, and Weeks, possibly Months later I log on and my ice sword is gone, I soon find out that Kenshin has it and loriel has edited my account and gave him my Ice Sword. Now, I am not bad talking Loriel because when blacksabbath scammed my Star Wizard Hat, Loriel restored it to me. Those who choose to let other people hold their items are fools unless you know the person extremely well, For example, Smoke or Grirahan are two of my closest friends and I would, without thinking twice, hand over all of my items to them for them to hold for me. I am also friends with Juggernaut, But I wouldn't ever give him any of my items. You see? There are ways to prevent being scammed and most of the people who are scammed are amateurs and know very little about the background of the people they are lending their items to. By a persons attitude and actions upon others you can tell whether they would scam you or not. It's hard to find trustworthy people and I suggest knowing them extremely well before just handing out your items. Scamming should be 100% legal because the owners of the items have a choice whether to hand them or out not.
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Old 02-10-2005, 06:29 AM
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It's the victim's fault if one would get scammed. I personally think scamming is not a major issue, as I elaborate on my opinion, maybe you will see things differently. I can not express any stronger than the fact is, If you get scammed, It's your own fault! I only trust about 3-5 people on graal, I have known these people for long periods of time, I also have their phone number, Incase they go insane, I can bug them. Normally you can tell if someone is a scammer or not, Most people decide, Oh, But they're my friend, and I know he/she is a scammer but... I think I'm going to test my trust with him/her and show myself, and everyone else that I am friends with them. --Or something along those lines. That is one of the leading causes of scamming, Testing your trust with people. I think scamming should be legal because if your friend gets scammed and you try to scam back the items for them, You shouldn't get in trouble for it. Which will take me back to something which occured a year or so ago. Loriel was administrator of Graal Kingdoms, and Kenshin (blkeagle12) scammed Alex (Adeno) or his [Frost Shield +12?]. I, Being the good person I am, use my Ice Sword to scam it back for Alex, Which is someone I didn't even know at the time, and give it to him. I scammed kenshin over the trade tables in Bomboria, and Weeks, possibly Months later I log on and my ice sword is gone, I soon find out that Kenshin has it and loriel has edited my account and gave him my Ice Sword. Now, I am not bad talking Loriel because when blacksabbath scammed my Star Wizard Hat, Loriel restored it to me. Those who choose to let other people hold their items are fools unless you know the person extremely well, For example, Smoke or Grirahan are two of my closest friends and I would, without thinking twice, hand over all of my items to them for them to hold for me. I am also friends with Juggernaut, But I wouldn't ever give him any of my items. You see? There are ways to prevent being scammed and most of the people who are scammed are amateurs and know very little about the background of the people they are lending their items to. By a persons attitude and actions upon others you can tell whether they would scam you or not. It's hard to find trustworthy people and I suggest knowing them extremely well before just handing out your items. Scamming should be 100% legal because the owners of the items have a choice whether to hand them or out not.

Aye, well said. There are a good number of people I would and have trusted with my possesions, and Grirahan remains to be one of them, Ed another.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:15 AM
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If it were being done in an RP sense, it wouldn't be so bad.
However, I have never seen an item scammed away using any sort of roleplay at all. They've all been because of quick mistakes, foolishness, or overtrusting.
If it isn't made illegal, then maybe one of the tutorial NPCs on the start island should brief people of the dangers of everyday life before they reach the archipelago. Tell them to get to trusting people before they start lending things out.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:27 AM
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GK has had many problems with scamming, how can they fix it? Easy..make scamming illegal. Here is a poll please be honest with your votes.
Scamming should not be illegal, period, now, if it's abusing a bug to scam, that IS illegal, but if someone convinces someone else to hand them an item through lies or other tricky means and keeps them, that is perfectly fair, it's called thievery, there is a class dedicated to it, and it goes without saying that anyone stupid enough to release thier possesions into the hands of a questionable character doesn't deserve to have them in the first place.

The only people who get "scammed" and complain about it are those who weren't intelligent enough to avoid it. Whilst I have seen a few people get scammed and don't complain, because they know it is fair, and they just know better next time.

Scamming should not be illegal, but bug abuse should be better enforced and "rare" items should be made more common rather than be let alone to go on destroying the economy.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:59 AM
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Ok, here we go, my opinion:

Scamming = bad...mmmk?

I mean come on...why waste your time to get a virtual item on a video game from some poor other player who wasted his time to get the item? Do people have to sink that low? It's a game for crying out loud...do something more constructive instead of tricking some stupid person into a scam.
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Old 02-10-2005, 06:44 AM
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Neither. Illegal or legal... it will happen anyway. People will find it hard to prove since proof on Graal isn't always available or legit. I only favored illegal a little bit more since it shouldn't be happening anyway with all the trade tables and non-sense around.

My solution: Freakin add more stuff to GK already!!! Item's wouldn't be so freakin hard to get and harmful to lose if they could actually be gotten through normal non-event gameplay. Why do people whine for 1 week straight about their item being lost? Because it took them 1 month of slow repetitive gameplay to get it. It's the same problem with exp.

Graal is supposed to be a game, not a part-time job.
Example: In the event coin shop, it takes like 45 coins to make a Shield of the Sun. If you only event 3-5 event coins per week. Even if the person was extraordinary and won 2 events per week for one coin each, it would still take them 22 weeks. Mind you, the other 50+ players on GK AREN'T getting coins because they are losing the events.

And about trust... If anything, trust should be promoted. Graal is a Massive Multiplayer Online game. What is the point of being in a MMO if you're just going to play single player?


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Old 02-10-2005, 07:45 AM
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Wrong, GK will last a long time, look at UN, no helpful staff, no updates, no meaningful content, no amazingly new features, nothing, and look how many players they have.
UN is popular for the community, which as it is won't die off unless the server vanishes. 100+ people on at any time is a very strong community and hard to break up, no matter the sad state of the server. Besides the fact that GK doesn't have nearly the community that UN does, people play GK for a different reason: they've paid for an account, and they've spent large ammounts of that bought time working on their character and don't want that to all become wasted effort. However, when they're scammed, all those long hours spent getting that item are wasted.

Scamming would be rather easy to prevent, minus bug abuse. Just get a talented scripter or two to add a few more things and we're set.
* Things such as a second confirmation on trade tables in a popup window where each item and its value in plat is listed with a total at the bottom; this would nearly prevent people from getting scammed via a fake/replaced item (ring of adamant being replaced with a ring of adornment at the last minute), except from their own stupidity, but even then it could be taken up with staff to remedy.. or it could also be fixed by the next idea:
* adding a previous owner flag to items traded via trade tables, and give both parties the option to trade back (instant trade no matter where either player is) for a short period of time while both players are online (time doesn't decrease if either one is offline), and also make it so that these items cannot be dropped until that time is up.
* adding ownership to dropped items (owners account on a flag on the item dropped) so that the item cannot be picked up by someone else for a period of time, and after that if someone picks it up, both accounts go into a log showing that the item was 'traded'

This way everything would have a second confirmation or a period of time to cancel the trade in the case of dropping items, and everything would be logged. As it is, dropping/picking up items from the ground isn't logged, so its impossible to check to see if someone is telling the truth.

Adding a few features would help prevent scamming/thievery (showing a weapon to a friend in the dungeon and someone else runs up and grabs it), and also it would help as everything would be logged so that if something does happen, staff can actually do something about it.
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Old 02-10-2005, 09:11 AM
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Old 02-11-2005, 04:08 AM
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I guess that would include you.
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Old 02-11-2005, 04:43 PM
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Old 02-11-2005, 04:49 PM
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Old 02-18-2005, 04:27 PM
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Anyways. Scamming = Legal. Juggernaut = Coolest kid on Graal.

That's just my two-cents, that nobody cares about / asked for.
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Old 02-21-2005, 06:49 AM
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Ok, and about the illegal bug? Staff is **** on GK, I know 3 people who got scammed by an illegal bug and I have PROOF who it was.........but they don't care GK sucks thats why I quit. I say "Good Riddance."
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Ok, and about the illegal bug? Staff is **** on GK, I know 3 people who got scammed by an illegal bug and I have PROOF who it was.........but they don't care GK sucks thats why I quit. I say "Good Riddance."
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good riddance

Also, good riddance to bad rubbish. A welcome loss or departure. This expression is often used as an exclamation. For example, The principal has finally retired, and most of the teachers are saying, "Good riddance!" or When Jean decided to give up her violin her relieved family quietly said, "Good riddance to bad rubbish.". [Late 1700s]


Good riddance to what, exactley?
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Old 02-21-2005, 09:39 AM
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good riddance

Also, good riddance to bad rubbish. A welcome loss or departure. This expression is often used as an exclamation. For example, The principal has finally retired, and most of the teachers are saying, "Good riddance!" or When Jean decided to give up her violin her relieved family quietly said, "Good riddance to bad rubbish.". [Late 1700s]


Good riddance to what, exactley?
The awful Principle (Graal Kingdoms).
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