The Rabbit Hole Ends Here? - Page 2

Splke · #1 01-26-2005, 11:04 AM

Later PS, have fun doing whatever.

SergeTrigger · #2 01-29-2005, 07:04 PM

I'm sure this brings a great sadness to us all.

I'll miss you man, we've had some good times on graal.

-Outlaw Immortal

Mitch · #3 01-29-2005, 07:22 PM

It's been fun projectshifter, I have known you for awhile and we did a lot of things but I understand you have to move on. I might too quit graal, life is catching up with us and we need to focus on the important things at hand.

syltburk · #4 01-29-2005, 10:06 PM

long messages is for people who want credit

Sildae · #5 01-29-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by syltburk

long messages is for people who want credit

Short messages are for people who are too relatively-illiterate to comprehend long messages.

syltburk · #6 01-29-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sildae

Short messages are for people who are too relatively-illiterate to comprehend long messages.

Can you repeat that please, thanks

DarkShadows_Legend · #7 01-31-2005, 08:34 AM

lol@Kai

Bye PS.

Brad · #8 01-31-2005, 01:55 PM

overrated developer
arrogant about his powers
little to no talent at all

not much of a loss to me adieu

Sildae · #9 01-31-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

overrated developer

Overrated only by himself and those who envy him.

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not much of a loss to me adieu

No loss at all as he is going to be back next week.

Projectshifter · #10 02-04-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sildae

Overrated only by himself and those who envy him.

No loss at all as he is going to be back next week.

Thanks much to Sildae and Brad for their comments... And I won't be back next week, Stefan and Unix have made no attempts to even speak to me. I've tried to talk to Unix, also saw he was on this thread reading for 20 minutes, not even as much a reply to my message on ICQ... so it's time to do something else. I think I'm going to try to do something involving development of linx programs or work on a distro a bit, not sure. Also seeing as Brad is not a coder nor has he even viewed my coding, I don't think he's quite able to say such things =)
Linux: it's the future

Gentoo is leet, just got it up and running on my box today. 1 month a day, then PS is 18 and Graal-free woo-hoo!

Admins · #11 02-04-2005, 04:30 AM

Good bye David and thanks for all the work you did for Graal. Sorry that we are not having the same opinion about some Graal stuff, I hope you are not thinking too bad about it, and might watch what happens here from time to hime, if you have time. I remember talking about family and friends, I hope everything will be good.

Lance · #12 02-04-2005, 04:58 AM

Seeya, PS.

Mykel · #13 02-04-2005, 05:16 AM

Jesus. Why the long goodbye? It is a game. Get on with real life.

falco10291029 · #14 02-04-2005, 10:30 PM

Well I dont want you to leave, you're the only one who seems to ever be able to help me with scripting, and have helped me with that and other matters a swell. I do hope that you for some reason you change your mind, if not, then goodbye.....

Brad · #15 02-05-2005, 06:02 AM

I don't got to be a coder to know whats up in the graal world. You aren't a player. You don't know how the player thinks. I myself don't seperate myself from the game if I have a job. You never kept it real. You need to find a way to have a job and keep it real with your boys/girls. I can't do anything in the graal world. I am an idea master like Zurk, and I can manage crap pretty good. Thats my skills. PEOPLE SKILLS. You can only dream to have those.

ApothiX · #16 02-05-2005, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

I don't got to be a coder to know whats up in the graal world. You aren't a player. You don't know how the player thinks. I myself don't seperate myself from the game if I have a job. You never kept it real. You need to find a way to have a job and keep it real with your boys/girls. I can't do anything in the graal world. I am an idea master like Zurk, and I can manage crap pretty good. Thats my skills. PEOPLE SKILLS. You can only dream to have those.

*cough* I think having good 'people skills' requires you to have good grammar, and be able to get along with people, two things that you are not showing very effectively in that post. Projectshifter is leaving, if you truely had good 'people skills', you would not ridicule him any further.

Just my two cents.

protagonist · #17 02-05-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

*cough* I think having good 'people skills' requires you to have good grammar, and be able to get along with people, two things that you are not showing very effectively in that post. Projectshifter is leaving, if you truely had good 'people skills', you would not ridicule him any further.

Just my two cents.

Not exactly on topic, but what about having people skills requires good grammar?

Projectshifter · #18 02-07-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by protagonist

Not exactly on topic, but what about having people skills requires good grammar?

I guess it's comparable as to working for a company answering phones and having bad grammar? When you work for a game that is purely online so it's in a textual format, to having proper spelling and grammar? It's all about people skills. I'd argue with Brad, but then i really do not care to, nor do I see a point. You can't please all the people all the time. Just knowing that there are a lot of people who have avidly supported me both publically and privately is enough to make these two years worth it

Thanks to all of those people, you know who you are.

Brad · #19 02-09-2005, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ApothiX

*cough* I think having good 'people skills' requires you to have good grammar, and be able to get along with people, two things that you are not showing very effectively in that post. Projectshifter is leaving, if you truely had good 'people skills', you would not ridicule him any further.

Just my two cents.

You don't need good grammar to have people skills jackass. I'm a grade A scumbag on this game. I don't feel like taking 20 minutes to check over what I write because its pointless and I could care less what people think about me. I ridicule who I want and let my personal opinion on someone be known to the world. Thats how I roll. I get along with people when I have to. As a wise man once said...

omgbradrox

Projectshifter · #20 02-09-2005, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

You don't need good grammar to have people skills jackass. I'm a grade A scumbag on this game. I don't feel like taking 20 minutes to check over what I write because its pointless and I could care less what people think about me. I ridicule who I want and let my personal opinion on someone be known to the world. Thats how I roll. I get along with people when I have to.

Sad very well :P I think everyone's come to just realize how Brad "is", and you overlook him when he isn't doing something important

Alexander · #21 02-09-2005, 06:02 AM

You'll be back

See you on aim =p

Brad · #22 02-10-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Projectshifter

Sad very well :P I think everyone's come to just realize how Brad "is", and you overlook him when he isn't doing something important

I think "you" realized in this thread how little people actually care about you and what a joke you are to the forums. And you're overlooked because quite frankly your scripts are a joke and in my honest opinion wouldn't even make top 10 scripters on graal now. Anyways, have a lovely day darling.

Shiftk03- · #23 02-10-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Projectshifter

Sad very well :P I think everyone's come to just realize how Brad "is", and you overlook him when he isn't doing something important

So you base a person's worth off the amount of 'important' things they've done and that if they've done nothing then they don't exist? Pretentious and egotistical. Hopefully when you hop down that rabbit hole your big head gets stuck and they gotta call someone 'important' to come rescue you.

Hiro · #24 02-11-2005, 04:44 AM

See ya dude. Go play some Tennis.

DeFord · #25 02-05-2005, 10:16 AM

Later PS, we only met a few times, but I've been aware of your contributions to the Graal community for some time. This is a huge loss and I for one will be saddened by your absence. Good luck furthur down the long road we call life, may it lead you to wonderful opportunities.

falco10291029 · #26 02-10-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brad

I think "you" realized in this thread how little people actually care about you and what a joke you are to the forums. And you're overlooked because quite frankly your scripts are a joke and in my honest opinion wouldn't even make top 10 scripters on graal now. Anyways, have a lovely day darling.

I disagree with that wholeheartedly.

Kaimetsu · #27 02-10-2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by falco10291029

I disagree with that wholeheartedly

The scripting thing? It's probably true, dawg.

falco10291029 · #28 02-11-2005, 12:12 AM

No the first part, the scripting thing i wouldn't know.

Brad · #29 02-11-2005, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by falco10291029

No the first part, the scripting thing i wouldn't know.

I'll give him 5 people who care that hes leaving.

But atleast you care FALCO2349234969696969SSJ!!!

syltburk · #30 02-11-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

I'll give him 5 people who care that hes leaving.

But atleast you care FALCO2349234969696969SSJ!!!

for lyfe mate, he isnt strong enough to leave graal kthxbai..

Oldbie · #31 02-12-2005, 12:52 AM

...My name is David...Now you know this! haha

Forum PM me guy...I need to speak with you

falco10291029 · #32 02-12-2005, 04:35 AM

Bah a few people can ruin it for everyone, i am sure that there are many people here who want you to stay PS, a lot more than that don't like you.

falco10291029 · #33 02-12-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Haha, that must be nice for your ego. Round up the few people who think you're a good scripter and declare that they're the only ones allowed to judge you.

Let's see. In the past, I remember arguing with you about timeouts in the CNPC. You adamantly claimed that they shouldn't be used, using all kinds of ridiculous car analogies in attempts to make up for your lack of reasoning. After a while, Stefan arrived and proved you wrong. Am I not qualified to judge you based on this incident?
I've also seen you arguing for use of 'getplayer(#a)', which is possibly the most redundant and misguided piece of scripting possible.
And then, what was it? #v(strtofloat(#s(blah)))? I'm sure I could think of other examples if you'd like to see them.

Why am I not allowed to judge you based on the idiotic things you've said about GScript, or the fact that I've never seen you produce anything impressive?

The following argument is more to disprove your bad reasoning then to defend PS:

You can't judge someone's skills based on past mistakes. I misused a ton of commands in the past yet that doesn't make me a bad scripter. Of course someone might come back with something like "should a criminal be forgiven for the past mistakle of shooting someone?" and to save time, I'll counteract that too with the fact that misusing a script command by accident doesn't hurt anyone.

Kaimetsu · #34 02-13-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by falco10291029

You can't judge someone's skills based on past mistakes

Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.

Brad · #35 02-13-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.

My god do I love you.

falco10291029 · #36 02-13-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.

For recent mistkes, yes I would agree with you. However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant. Of course if the same mistake is made, then you're totally justified

Kaimetsu · #37 02-13-2005, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by falco10291029

However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant

If we can generalise to the mistake of 'not thinking about what he's doing' then yes, he still makes it today. The details are different, but the cause is the same.

But hell, I'm not even required to make that point. If it can be shown that he was an incompetent scripter/programmer/thinker two years ago, it is rational to think that he still exhibits those traits. After all, stupidity isn't something that can easily be cured. The greater burden of proof is on those who claim that he has changed.

falco10291029 · #38 02-13-2005, 03:25 AM

Scripting/programming improves over time, a lot.

Thinking however...well if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.

Kaimetsu · #39 02-13-2005, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by falco10291029

if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.

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falco10291029 · #40 02-13-2005, 03:56 AM

I'm not going to surf through 7 pages to find your point, which page shows him being stupid (i read the first couple pages and saw his misinformation, but that is knowledge not thinking ability, and i have inbferred things the same way and then later admitted i was wrong and didnt do it again)