POLL! Should scamming be Illegal?

[air_archmage]

I was thinking bout all thsoe gettign scammed
And heres my thoughts!
Shouldnt those who were scammed be recompensated?
Why does staff jsut say its legal?
When you have PROOF soemone scammed you, why wont they do anything?
Why must the good people suffer due to scammers?
So vote on the poll and post your toughts plz!

[WanDaMan]

Dejavuu!

[Chris]

What legitimate proof could you provide? PM history? That can easily be faked. Screen shots? Also easily faked. Witnesses? They could easily lie about it for a cut.

Players with malicious intent could go all day saying, "So and so scammed me. I demand retribution now!"

There are procedures set in place already by staff to make scams less of a threat. Safe trade (dragging and placing item over another player) and the tables are perfectly secure ways NOT to be victim of a scam. You take the risk of having items stolen if you try something else.

Now when it comes to people selling items for US and getting either the items stolen without payment or paying and not receiving the items, that's the player's own fault for trying something already looked down upon by staff.

[air_archmage]

No.. its a little thing called checking the Logs via RC and checking Item hsitory.. e.e

[Chris]

Originally Posted by air_archmage

No.. its a little thing called checking the Logs via RC and checking Item hsitory.. e.e

That means jack ****. I could easily say that I let you barrow my gear for one hour to level up. You could say it was all a gift. How can staff determine it was a scam?

Think, please.

[air_archmage]

w/e. e.e
I cant tell you to **** because I DID say your comments are welcome e.e

[Zero Hour]

These are times when I wish I had my moderatorship back, but I keep telling myself "It's only a month, Stephen, it's only a month..."

[air_archmage]

You want to delete this thread huh?

[Zero Hour]

Close it, yes.

[air_archmage]

Why? because a player is trying to make a change for graal?

[air_archmage]

I'm thinking over half the people who quit are people who've bein scammed.
THATS the reason graal is dieing. People seem to be able to do what they want!

[zell12]

You make this quite confusing. The title of the thread is, "should scamming be illegal," and the poll description is, "should scamming be legal."

So I kinda voted yes, when in fact, I mean't to choose no I guess. Confusing people. :o

Anyway, scamming should be illegal. :/

[air_archmage]

Sorry bout that.. I kinda went to do a mini CP event in the middle of typing this and got mixed up xD

[air_archmage]

((and nice animation btw xD!!))

[Zero Hour]

Another poll, and another person ranting about Scamming is going to accomplish nothing.

[Spark910]

I believe your answer to why it's not illegal etc is here:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=56314

[air_archmage]

Maybe because the staff dont want to do anything about it?
thats a topic for else where though

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Spark910

I believe your answer to why it's not illegal etc is here:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=56314

Thankyou. You will see that I made it very clear for users to understand why it's legal.

You think I want people to be scammed? That's a cute little ideal.

Yes, I want players complaining to me that they were banned by some scummy little player, and I want to be able to do nothing about it. How quaint.

[air_archmage]

So because you dont want to help the "little guy" he leave graal.. graal losses profits. People leave due to scammers and staff nto acting on stuff like this!

[air_archmage]

I wasnt talking about you Zero.. I'm talking about those who never log on, ignore PMs, dont do anything but sit around doing nothing on graal.
if there going to be staff.. they NEED to help!
If they wont help, I'd say fire the lot of em not doing there jobs

[air_archmage]

So why not HELP the little guy who's bein scammed after his hard work?
I mean, DO soemhting and not just sit there and let people quit!

[Zero Hour]

You have absolutely no clue how the hierarchy of adminiship works, you're in no position to complain about how the "system" is working.

Plus, you're making the assumption that there are no other servers to attract Graal's profits.

[air_archmage]

Yhea.. because GK has nothign to do once you hit lvl 40.
You get a few years outa soem people.. 150 dollors (estament) outa a person if there not lazy and get to lvl 40 owning everything, it runs out of stuff to do, so people quit. that simple

[urmomsdumb2]

lol..personally....i knwo your trying to help graal players..but lmao...u guys are making a big discussion about it....scamming is not the scammers fault...its the person who didnt care for that item enough to keep an eye on it...

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by urmomsdumb2

lol..personally....i knwo your trying to help graal players..but lmao...u guys are making a big discussion about it....scamming is not the scammers fault...its the person who didnt care for that item enough to keep an eye on it...

lol seriously lol it takes two to tango lol.

[air_archmage]

well so far we have a 100% on NO Is shouldnt be legal

[air_archmage]

Originally Posted by zell12

You make this quite confusing. The title of the thread is, "should scamming be illegal," and the poll description is, "should scamming be legal."

So I kinda voted yes, when in fact, I mean't to choose no I guess. Confusing people. :o

Anyway, scamming should be illegal. :/

I accidentaly confused him

[air_archmage]

Ok, Now its 80% no 20% yes

[air_archmage]

2 people think it should be legal.. wow...

[Moonite]

Originally Posted by air_archmage

No.. its a little thing called checking the Logs via RC and checking Item hsitory.. e.e

the items history Works only with /save
u can /save tell a nobo here Free items hes like "yeah happy wee"
then uask björn u got scammed bla get ur itemsback and the noob got banned for scamming rofl

[urmomsdumb2]

Personally, i think its funny....i know its trying to hlp ppl..but its not the scammers fault..its the person whom was scammed ..because he/she didnt care enough for that item to keep an eye on it.....


Just a thought

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by urmomsdumb2

Just a thought

A crappy one, at that.

These naive people would not concern us if there were not people taking advantage of them, so essentially it's the scammers fault.

[air_archmage]

like Zero Hour said.
It take TWO to tango e.e

[lordbosh]

I say let scammers,hackers, trainer users, run free. Then close all forums and any tech support, make sure there are no administrators with powers to ban or anything. And let nature take its course.

[fireedragn]

Scamming should be perfectly legal.

I mean, we're supposed to RP right? So what's wrong with somebody ripping another person off?

Sounds perfectly fine to me. In fact, I think there should be MORE scamming (without the use of bugs). Like, a KINGDOM of scammers. Like...PIRATES!

Hmm...nah, it'd never happen.

[air_archmage]

Ok, fireedragn, that post WAS a bad one.. even though I said open for coomets, no.

[fireedragn]

How was it bad? Because I disagreed with you?

Oh, I'm sorry...I thought you said that comments were welcome.

[air_archmage]

Originally Posted by fireedragn

Sounds perfectly fine to me. In fact, I think there should be MORE scamming (without the use of bugs). Like, a KINGDOM of scammers. Like...PIRATES!

Hmm...nah, it'd never happen.

THATS what I dont agree with ><
WE dont scam. Hell.. WERE the ones gettign scammed/ships docks getting raided like Dustys were

[Zero Hour]

Every nerve ending in my body longs to have moderatordom returned.

[YenroY777]

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