Pwa...

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Raelyn

PWA is just about as important as FAQ, or GP, or LATs.

(Sorry to all these guys, but trained chimps could do your jobs.)

You sound so much like ProjectShifter.

LATting requires talent. It's not all about quality, it's also about efficiency. Arguably, anybody with eyes could make a good sprite if they worked at it long enough, but you don't want someone who takes four full days to make a sprite, do you? Same with scripting. Anyone can script, but to script efficiently is, at times, difficult.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by protagonist

You sound so much like ProjectShifter.

Somehow I find that was inappropriate. I do agree that FAQs and GPs are pretty pointless, I've said this many times. But LATs are developmental staff. And so are graphics and scripters. I think FAQs and GPs could easily be handled with a good system of NPCs and documents... but that's my opinion and I hold no grudge towards any staff members of this sort unless they're just there to "have an RC". I think FAQs and GPs are okay if they don't have to have RC (like 2k1 used to do).

More importantly back on topic. There are members of the PWA I do not see necessarily do much. I think it would be wrong for anyone to accuse Spark of being worthless and not needed. This is like going to the Supreme Court when a simple low-level court could handle the business. We do not need to have everyone running to Stefan with every little problem. Often I get complaints that I deal with myself, that I don't need to have Stefan take care of them. If he's dealing with all these minor things that players and staff come up with, it will take time away from what he does, which is more important than a few petty disputes that can be otherwise handled.
I'm more GST than PWA, but as Stefan asked me to perhaps be PWA, and because Spark said that GST has same jurisdication as PWA, I do what I can. Just because you don't hear about things doesn't mean nothing is happening. There have been many times when servers have been hacked, that I have gotten a report and gone to spend a few hours to fix it. True Stefan could have taken 30 minutes to fix, but he wasn't available and it was important. It's best that everything is NOT made public in fact. If I explained what happened to a server, and word spreads, then people panic and everytime it turns around "OMG KIM JONG IL" (who by the way is just JellyFish), it is quite pointless. The PWA serve their purpose for the most part, and Spark does what he can with what he has, which is more than the rest. He is European, as well as Stefan. I think things would be much more productive if we had someone in North (or South) America handling things as well, that way we'd have both major time zones covered and it would be much better.
Sometimes "no news is good news". And that's the truth. Just because you hear nothing, means it is not necessarily a bad thing. Also the quote "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" heavily applies. Did you ever stop the think the reason you don't hear what happens, is because we stop things from happening? If any global staff should be disbanded perhaps you should look towards the GFX team =/ They're not graphic slaves to make things for servers, so what is their real job? It's to inspect playerworlds for illegal graphics, but often times they try to enforce other things not even near that, and I don't see them doing anything the PWA doesn't =(

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

FAQs ... are pretty pointless

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Googi

I never trusted FAQs after this omg-owner-tags thing on G2k1.

[MysticalMatrix]

::eats popcorn::
From what I have seen, I think PWA need more jobs to do. Important JOBS.
Give some suggestions if you want.

[LogicBot]

Graal, the soap opra!

PWA do nothing that, "We could ever understand"

Or so says Houdini.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by LogicBot

PWA do nothing that, "We could ever understand"

Stop twisting what I say for attention.

(Have this conversation in PM's, or somewhere else please...pwa issues dont belong in open forum- Moonie -)

[LogicBot]

I think I'll finish this in PMs, but this shows what good the PWA are.

[iLLusioNofGranduer]

I think PWA do their jobs well and definitely think they are needed. I am a playerworld owner and I appreciate what they do for us. They arent kidding when they say they do a lot that isnt revealed to the public.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by MysticalMatrix

::eats popcorn::
From what I have seen, I think PWA need more jobs to do. Important JOBS.
Give some suggestions if you want.

To do more than we currently do would most likely require more rights.

Stefan and Unixmad don't love to give more rights to globals, so this could be more difficult that it should/could be

[Nappa]

I agree with 80% of what Projectshifter says. I disagree though on the fact that we need so many pwa. I think Spark can handle it himself.

[Spark910]

Who kidnapped Koni...?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Spark910

Who kidnapped Koni...?

Now you know the REAL reason for Stefan's recent absence!

[Darlene159]

The GST has the same jurstiction as the PWA??
When did this happen?
And where is it written?

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The GST has the same jurstiction as the PWA??
When did this happen?
And where is it written?

*Jurisdiction
And we do, ask Spark yourself. Or at least on grounds of seniority and power some members, the existing members of the GST (the whole 3 of us =/) have both more seniority and rights than many of the PWA (excluding Spark of course). You are also failing to realize that some things don't have to be written down. Not EVERYTHING is written in stone. If a GST member has more rights than a PWA member, what does that imply? I think the logical answer is that they are more capable than PWA in some areas (usually fixing servers) and considering the fact that they have global RC, why would they not help given the chance?

Originally Posted by Nappa

I disagree though on the fact that we need so many pwa. I think Spark can handle it himself.

It would seem so, however you fail to see what goes on behind the scenes. Knowing what happens first-hand, I think we need a few more people who can manage things. Spark does a lot, and he is the main guy for accounts and special problems next to Stefan. If someone else could help out Spark then the PWA members could still handle the minor problems. As of right now the current system is you need to speak to a lower PWA or so, basically not Spark, and you move your way up, then get to Spark and then Stefan or so. But considering many people want to over-step that and just because they get a bad answer from someone they want to go "get you fired" it's kind of annoying. The reason it is so difficult to contact Stefan is because people would abuse it, and annoy him every 6 seconds. That's the main reason I do not use my public AIM much anymore: it got swarmed with 20 IMs in less than 2 minutes time, asking about "Hey script this for me!". People fail to realize our job is NOT to make you things, but to help you with efficiency and how to go about doing things. Just because you WANT something made, you aren't going to necessarily get it. I have never once declined helping someone who was trying to do a project that was decently within their range. When 1st time scripters come saying "I need to know how to make a Q-Menu" and I explain the 'jist of such things, and they don't understand 1/2 of what I say, it's not right for me to have to sit down and spend 6 hours explaining all these concepts, when I wrote a tutorial ages ago, and Osrs has been working on documents (one of which I reviewed, modified and corrected the English of [he is not a native speaker]), so they need to start there. If someone comes asking about a script or so that is within their range of skills, and they just need to know about how to do things, I am more than happy to spend up to 15 minutes or so helping them understand how to do things

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

*Jurisdiction
And we do, ask Spark yourself. Or at least on grounds of seniority and power some members, the existing members of the GST (the whole 3 of us =/) have both more seniority and rights than many of the PWA (excluding Spark of course). You are also failing to realize that some things don't have to be written down. Not EVERYTHING is written in stone. If a GST member has more rights than a PWA member, what does that imply? I think the logical answer is that they are more capable than PWA in some areas (usually fixing servers) and considering the fact that they have global RC, why would they not help given the chance?

Seems like the GST throwing weight around that Managers and owners are not aware that they have, would be confusing and cause trouble that can be avoided by having this in writing somewhere.
If I were a Manager, and a GST came on telling me stuff that was to be dealt with, with a pwa member, I would not just take their word that "they are allowed to do the pwa's job"...what then? I would get punished?
Not to mention all that wasted time arguing with globals needlessly.

It is also kind of unfair that GST have the rights to do pwa stuff, but the pwa themselves do not? That is confusing.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The GST has the same jurstiction as the PWA??
When did this happen?
And where is it written?

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Seems like the GST throwing weight around that Managers and owners are not aware that they have, would be confusing and cause trouble that can be avoided by having this in writing somewhere.
If I were a Manager, and a GST came on telling me stuff that was to be dealt with, with a pwa member, I would not just take their word that "they are allowed to do the pwa's job"...what then? I would get punished?
Not to mention all that wasted time arguing with globals needlessly.

It is also kind of unfair that GST have the rights to do pwa stuff, but the pwa themselves do not? That is confusing.

I do believe that both you and ProjectShifter are guilty of the grave error of confusing individual members of the Global Scripting Team with the team as a whole. Each member of the GST is an individual in their own right - we each have our own set of rights and responsibilities. Here is my take on it, and a higher-up can correct me if I am mistaken: some of us are considered more along the lines of "Global Administrators" and as such permitted to assist in solving problems at playerworlds. For example, I sought such authorization long before most of our current PWA members even had that job. Angel and I would often deal with many of the problems that would occur on various servers, and we were quite effective at solving them. She often complimented me for my insight in discerning both the nature of the problem at hand and the most effective solution. Sadly, she is no longer with Graal, and these days I deal with such problems in cooperation with our PWA members, Stefan, unixmad, or, often, alone. You will note that there are few (if any) complaints about the manner in which I have handled such situations. I digress, but it's for the sake of an example / explanation.

Anyway, I'd just like to note that we are all global staff members and our goal is the same: the betterment of Graal. The members of the GST who can help out with such problems should do so when required. This is not to say that they are allowed to step on the toes of the PWA, but that they should be working together towards finding a solution. If there is a disagreement between global staff members, it is quite probably an important issue that requires further discussion before it can be resolved, and such discussion can only benefit Graal by resulting in the best possible solution to whatever problem it may be. I don't like seeing "I'm higher!" "No, it's my job!" arguments - any debate that exists should be about whatever problem we may be faced with, not about relative rank. Wouldn't you agree?

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Lance

Each member of the GST is an individual in their own right - we each have our own set of rights and responsibilities. ... For example, I sought such authorization long before most of our current PWA members even had that job. Angel and I would often deal with many of the problems that would occur on various servers, and we were quite effective at solving them. She often complimented me for my insight in discerning both the nature of the problem at hand and the most effective solution. Sadly, she is no longer with Graal, and these days I deal with such problems in cooperation with our PWA members, Stefan, unixmad, or, often, alone. You will note that there are few (if any) complaints about the manner in which I have handled such situations. I digress, but it's for the sake of an example / explanation.

I miss Angel, I spoke to her on ICQ a few days ago Yes, but each member is their own litlte person It's kind of amusing how we both handle a lot of things but I never get to see you on RC anymore Also to conincide, there are very few complaints against the GST at the present, and to my recolocection neither of us have had any outsanding problems. I think overall most people however do not see what goes on, and therefore do not have clear understanding of the things that global staff do on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by Lance

Anyway, I'd just like to note that we are all global staff members and our goal is the same: the betterment of Graal. The members of the GST who can help out with such problems should do so when required. This is not to say that they are allowed to step on the toes of the PWA, but that they should be working together towards finding a solution. If there is a disagreement between global staff members, it is quite probably an important issue that requires further discussion before it can be resolved, and such discussion can only benefit Graal by resulting in the best possible solution to whatever problem it may be. I don't like seeing "I'm higher!" "No, it's my job!" arguments - any debate that exists should be about whatever problem we may be faced with, not about relative rank. Wouldn't you agree?

Well said my friend, well said

[Nappa]

Every problem I have gone through I have gone to spark, I have never had to contact one of the lower members, and for the most part except my recent account problem I have gotten a prompt reaction. I DO see what goes on behind the scenes, in fact I have helped Spark and Lance fix servers myself (most recently one that had been taken over). Kind of weird, seeing as they needed my help and gasp, none of the lower pwa were there.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Nappa

Every problem I have gone through I have gone to spark, I have never had to contact one of the lower members, and for the most part except my recent account problem I have gotten a prompt reaction. I DO see what goes on behind the scenes, in fact I have helped Spark and Lance fix servers myself (most recently one that had been taken over). Kind of weird, seeing as they needed my help and gasp, none of the lower pwa were there.

Just because Spark and other higher staff are able to help, doesn't mean you have to run to them with smaller problems.
Why did they need your help? Perhaps it was because they needed rights or something, I am not sure on specifics, and just because you are aware of what happens on one server, I'm afraid you do not see much of what else happens :-/

[Darlene159]

Lance and Projectshifter, you completely misunderstood my post
My beef is, do the Playerworlds realize that the GST have the authority to do other things above global scripting?
Or do they throw a fit when the GST try to go beyond what their jobs are?

The lower PWA should have the power to help in situations, instead of having to go to GST because they dont have the power to do what they need to do.
I dont like the whole "I have more power than you", or "that is my job" either, but if you have GST doing PWA's job, then it can create confusion on the playerworlds.
I am just wondering how many staff have gotten angry with the GST for trying to do the PWA's job, because they do not know that "some" of the GST have the authority to do it.

*Shrugs*
Just seems to me that the PWA should be able to do their jobs as a whole, instead of the lower PWA having to go to Spark, GST, or higher to get things done.

I am not trying to bash anyone here, or start an arguement, I am looking at things as a Manager of a PW would look at things. There is enough confusions with changes and this and that now, I would hate for staff on a PW to get in trouble for telling off a GST member, because they dont think GST have the authority to take care of PWA issues.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lance and Projectshifter, you completely misunderstood my post
My beef is, do the Playerworlds realize that the GST have the authority to do other things above global scripting?
Or do they throw a fit when the GST try to go beyond what their jobs are?

The lower PWA should have the power to help in situations, instead of having to go to GST because they dont have the power to do what they need to do.
I dont like the whole "I have more power than you", or "that is my job" either, but if you have GST doing PWA's job, then it can create confusion on the playerworlds.
I am just wondering how many staff have gotten angry with the GST for trying to do the PWA's job, because they do not know that "some" of the GST have the authority to do it.

*Shrugs*
Just seems to me that the PWA should be able to do their jobs as a whole, instead of the lower PWA having to go to Spark, GST, or higher to get things done.

I am not trying to bash anyone here, or start an arguement, I am looking at things as a Manager of a PW would look at things. There is enough confusions with changes and this and that now, I would hate for staff on a PW to get in trouble for telling off a GST member, because they dont think GST have the authority to take care of PWA issues.

Unfortunately, to have the ability to do our job right would mean drastically increased rights, including serveroptions, ban rights, rw to pretty much everything (perhaps not NC, but even then...), warp players, open comments, set rights, and some other things.

I can't see that ever happening, so we have to go through Spark. I don't think it can get any better because we're not really trusted as much as the GST. Maybe it's because we don't have debug and can't occasionally chat with Stefan about issues pertaining to us. Who knows?

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The lower PWA should have the power to help in situations, instead of having to go to GST because they dont have the power to do what they need to do.
I dont like the whole "I have more power than you", or "that is my job" either, but if you have GST doing PWA's job, then it can create confusion on the playerworlds.
I am just wondering how many staff have gotten angry with the GST for trying to do the PWA's job, because they do not know that "some" of the GST have the authority to do it.

*Shrugs*
Just seems to me that the PWA should be able to do their jobs as a whole, instead of the lower PWA having to go to Spark, GST, or higher to get things done.

I am not trying to bash anyone here, or start an arguement, I am looking at things as a Manager of a PW would look at things. There is enough confusions with changes and this and that now, I would hate for staff on a PW to get in trouble for telling off a GST member, because they dont think GST have the authority to take care of PWA issues.

Actually come to think of it, I'm heavily surprised as well. I have not had any conflicts with managers, they usualy just realize "global" and then due to being a global have no problems in cooperating. Mostly the only problems result when unhappy staff, who usually have little to no say in these matters due to their position and arrogance, try to get upset and "you can't do that! I'm getting you fired now, you're in trouble when i talk to Stefan". Strangely enough, Stefan has not once contact me after these few occurances
But the truth of the matter is, most playerworld managers are versed on what is going on, and they realize that a global is there to help 'usually', and that when it comes to hacking or security, the GST tend to be the forerunner on knowledge and being able to fix such things, due to the fact that so much is based upon scripts and server settings and such.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

the GST tend to be the forerunner on knowledge and being able to fix such things, due to the fact that so much is based upon scripts and server settings and such.

Though the PWA has seriously increased their hacking knowledge with the last hirings.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lance and Projectshifter, you completely misunderstood my post

Incorrect! I merely felt like correcting an egregious error I spotted. However, you certainly did not read and comprehend mine:

My beef is, do the Playerworlds realize that the GST have the authority to do other things above global scripting?

For, if you had, you would understand that 'the GST' do not have such authority, but some of its members do!

Or do they throw a fit when the GST try to go beyond what their jobs are?

And, you would have then applied that knowledge to reach the conclusion: "It is not 'going beyond what their jobs are' if it is independent of their job."

The lower PWA should have the power to help in situations, instead of having to go to GST because they dont have the power to do what they need to do.

Again, you need to stop speaking of these people in a group. Some PWA members have such banning/unbanning/etc powers. New ones, however, do not automatically get all this extra stuff (and they certianly shouldn't) until they have proven themselves trustworthy. I should also note that the PWA does not have to 'go to the GST'. In fact, I cannot think of an example where this has happened to me. I have been approached for advice, for backup, but never because I had some arbitrary rights that others do not.

I dont like the whole "I have more power than you", or "that is my job" either, but if you have GST doing PWA's job, then it can create confusion on the playerworlds.

I have encountered little to none in my experience. People recognize my position as a global administrator and are quite willing to comply.

I am just wondering how many staff have gotten angry with the GST for trying to do the PWA's job, because they do not know that "some" of the GST have the authority to do it.

Why would someone get angry at a group for what some of its members have done? That is fallacious thinking, and quite a bit like the line of thinking that leads to stereotypes, racism, and hate crimes.

*Shrugs*
Just seems to me that the PWA should be able to do their jobs as a whole, instead of the lower PWA having to go to Spark, GST, or higher to get things done.

See above.

I am not trying to bash anyone here, or start an arguement, I am looking at things as a Manager of a PW would look at things. There is enough confusions with changes and this and that now, I would hate for staff on a PW to get in trouble for telling off a GST member, because they dont think GST have the authority to take care of PWA issues.

I do not think it is required to state that you are not trying to bash anyone or start an argument. For example, I am simply clearing up some misconceptions and answering your questions, but I hardly feel it necessary to throw in such a disclaimer. Anyway, in reply to your last comment: It is unwise to just 'tell off' a global staff member. That is just asking for trouble.

[WHIPENIE4]

Well if we had it my way, there'd be one server and all these staff would spend their hard time working on that one server without the PWA crap. but hey, thats CLASSIC. and I don't play anymore because of that unless, i'm A. Sick, B. Making a CD, or C. Mad at someone. so yeah, there'd be no PWA in my way. but I have no problems with them and what they do i think they do a good job at keeping security but yeah my opinion doesn't count, and didn't count when I did play because I realized, none of these people listen to a damn thing you say so you're better off going to the Mayor of your town and saying THE POLICE NEED TO BE REMOVED SO I CAN GO OUT AND PLAY GRAND THEFT AUTO. Maybe they'll Listen

[WanDaMan]

I havn't got a problem with PWA; when ever I need help with my server I contact them and within an hour or 2 the problem(s) where solved.

Goodwork, keep it up.

[konidias]

One thing that I wanted to touch on in particular...

The fact that you're globals just opens up so many problems. Because for one, you weren't hired from a majority vote. You were most likely hired by one person. Meaning one person decided to give you power on a global span. Which leads to the problem that there will be people who don't think you are fit for the job, or think you're an imbecile, or whatever... and then that is where conflict usually arises.

There was also the interesting point brought up that if a manager has a problem with a global/pwa, they are sh*t out of luck. I think this is what gets under my skin the most. Say I get into a dispute with a pwa about something... who can I report the pwa to? Nobody. Spark? Psshhh... He's the one who hired the person you're complaining about. It's natural for him to take the side of his own team, before he takes the side of some "whining" playerworld manager. You can't report to Stefan. Even if you somehow magically get in touch with Stefan, it's not very likely that he'll remember or have the time, to discuss the issue with the person you're having a problem with. It just winds up a dead end.

Last but not least, globals are human. Not only are they human, but several of them (which they have displayed in this thread alone) are rather arrogant, have a superiority complex, and are quite stubborn. This type of behavior isn't something that benefits Graal in any way. Yet I think it's the reason I loathe "globals" so much. The whole "if you don't like my decision, go cry about it" aspect, doesn't really appeal to me. At any given time, a PWA can get an attitude, and completely disrespect a playerworld manager, and who ends up looking like the bad guy? Well the manager of course!

Spark isn't going to do anything about his own team's attitude problems, because he tends to have one himself. The last thread that was made about PWA was closed because of all the unprofessional arguing... That's the key word in this entire debate. UNPROFESSIONAL.

I know that Graal isn't as well known as some of the online games out there, and hasn't really jumped into being advertised on TV or in stores or whatever... But I'd still expect professional staff. The game is P2P, people don't pay just to get pushed around by someone half their age. The last thing I need is some 14 year old kid demanding that I do something with my playerworld because he says so. Then when I complain about it, I get shown the door. That's really lovely I'm sure.

I think some of the pwa, and some of the GST have attitude problems they need to work on... and the worst part is that they don't even see the problems. By the way... I skipped reading the 2nd page and stuff, so I might have to come back later and reply to whatever was said there.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by konidias

The fact that you're globals just opens up so many problems. Because for one, you weren't hired from a majority vote. You were most likely hired by one person. Meaning one person decided to give you power on a global span. Which leads to the problem that there will be people who don't think you are fit for the job, or think you're an imbecile, or whatever... and then that is where conflict usually arises.

You're failing in the aspect of realizing that how would we have a majority vote, and 99% of people are ignorant on a person's qualities and skills, they would go on popularity, that's not very good. Also, if you hate the system so much, I'd be interested in seeing YOUR replacement for global staff huh? Don't dis the system if you don't have a viable alternative. Having Stefan/Unixmad handle things is not a viable alternative, neither is having them hire a bunch of people (who probably have never played the game) to handle things. So let's here it Koni, you want to trash the system, offer us something better please.

There was also the interesting point brought up that if a manager has a problem with a global/pwa, they are sh*t out of luck. I think this is what gets under my skin the most. Say I get into a dispute with a pwa about something... who can I report the pwa to? Nobody. Spark? Psshhh... He's the one who hired the person you're complaining about. It's natural for him to take the side of his own team, before he takes the side of some "whining" playerworld manager. You can't report to Stefan. Even if you somehow magically get in touch with Stefan, it's not very likely that he'll remember or have the time, to discuss the issue with the person you're having a problem with. It just winds up a dead end.

Surprisingly this has come up before. I prefer not to mention names, but it's usually the "lower" globals that deal directly with management and such, and tend to run into problems. I have had some managers come speak to me, and I've gotten mad at a few globals and spoken to Stefan/Spark personally, so yes, things can be done about it.

Last but not least, globals are human. Not only are they human, but several of them (which they have displayed in this thread alone) are rather arrogant, have a superiority complex, and are quite stubborn. This type of behavior isn't something that benefits Graal in any way. Yet I think it's the reason I loathe "globals" so much. The whole "if you don't like my decision, go cry about it" aspect, doesn't really appeal to me. At any given time, a PWA can get an attitude, and completely disrespect a playerworld manager, and who ends up looking like the bad guy? Well the manager of course!

Again, I'd like to see your alternative? Just because a few globals have bad attitudes doesn't mean the whole thing is filth. You must realize each global is different, while we are kind of a "team" in the sense of PWA and GST, but we are each different people and handle things as we see proper. I don't think that any globals actually go around doing things that they feel are not for the best.

I think some of the pwa, and some of the GST have attitude problems they need to work on... and the worst part is that they don't even see the problems. By the way... I skipped reading the 2nd page and stuff, so I might have to come back later and reply to whatever was said there.

You seem to be kind of acting in the manner that you think you could do a better job. As you said, we're only humans, we do what we can, nothing more nothing less. We all volunteer to do this, we don't get compensation. Only a few globals have ever received gold/vip time, and I personally am not one of them. We don't do this for our /perks/ but rather because we'd like to see this game become better. Just because we don't agree with your views on every matter doesn't mean we are wrong. We all do what we can, with what we have. It may not be the best, but it's at least something is it not?

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by konidias

The fact that you're globals just opens up so many problems. Because for one, you weren't hired from a majority vote. You were most likely hired by one person. Meaning one person decided to give you power on a global span. Which leads to the problem that there will be people who don't think you are fit for the job, or think you're an imbecile, or whatever... and then that is where conflict usually arises.

To make this a point at all, you have to prove that the majority vote is the most wise way to hire people.

Originally Posted by konidias

There was also the interesting point brought up that if a manager has a problem with a global/pwa, they are sh*t out of luck. I think this is what gets under my skin the most. Say I get into a dispute with a pwa about something... who can I report the pwa to? Nobody. Spark? Psshhh... He's the one who hired the person you're complaining about. It's natural for him to take the side of his own team, before he takes the side of some "whining" playerworld manager. You can't report to Stefan. Even if you somehow magically get in touch with Stefan, it's not very likely that he'll remember or have the time, to discuss the issue with the person you're having a problem with. It just winds up a dead end.

It very well might end up a dead end. If you have a dispute, the PWA is probably right.

Originally Posted by konidias

Last but not least, globals are human. Not only are they human, but several of them (which they have displayed in this thread alone) are rather arrogant, have a superiority complex, and are quite stubborn. This type of behavior isn't something that benefits Graal in any way. Yet I think it's the reason I loathe "globals" so much. The whole "if you don't like my decision, go cry about it" aspect, doesn't really appeal to me. At any given time, a PWA can get an attitude, and completely disrespect a playerworld manager, and who ends up looking like the bad guy? Well the manager of course!

That's because the manager knows who he has to obey, but his little ego trip he gets from owning a playerworld deludes him into thinking for awhile that he doesn't.

Originally Posted by konidias

Spark isn't going to do anything about his own team's attitude problems, because he tends to have one himself. The last thread that was made about PWA was closed because of all the unprofessional arguing... That's the key word in this entire debate. UNPROFESSIONAL.

What is unprofessional about arguing? What is unprofessional about the PWA?

Originally Posted by konidias

I know that Graal isn't as well known as some of the online games out there, and hasn't really jumped into being advertised on TV or in stores or whatever... But I'd still expect professional staff. The game is P2P, people don't pay just to get pushed around by someone half their age. The last thing I need is some 14 year old kid demanding that I do something with my playerworld because he says so. Then when I complain about it, I get shown the door. That's really lovely I'm sure.

Which PWA member is 14?
Also, if you can't take the medicine, learn to. We put up with a whole lot of crap from people, and it doesn't help when still more people give us crap to deal with. And what difference does it make if a 14 year old demands it or a 30 year old tech junkie demands it?

Originally Posted by konidias

I think some of the pwa, and some of the GST have attitude problems they need to work on... and the worst part is that they don't even see the problems. By the way... I skipped reading the 2nd page and stuff, so I might have to come back later and reply to whatever was said there.[/COLOR]

Sometimes people make mistakes in judgement, but that hardly constitutes a problem.

[syltburk]

Can someone answer to my ****ing question or what?

WHAT THE **** HAPPEND TO ANGEL?

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by syltburk

Can someone answer to my ****ing question or what?

WHAT THE **** HAPPEND TO ANGEL?

She had other things to do and quit

[unixmad]

This is just going nowhere !

We have worked very hard to bring preview of Graal3d, finish Zone, start the beta of fairyland and all you find to do is fight against playworld admin !

They are doing a very good job and have all my confidence.