Element: 2D or 3D?

[Slash-P2P]

As of right now, Element (Codename Element) currently has a 3D map. I have been trying to decide whether or not to keep this. It has been a pain in the butt working with 3D maps since I cannot do things like I can with tiles. I want to know the players input on this.

The poll is about a terrain map, or tile map. This is not a poll about Graal3D.
Please input your reasons why you make your choice, and please do vote.

[Nitkizi]

I tried to sign on and it keeps disconnecting me, screenshots at least?

[Slash-P2P]

Originally Posted by Nitkizi

I tried to sign on and it keeps disconnecting me, screenshots at least?

1st: The GuildCP (Guild Control Panel) which I scripted and am very proud of
2nd: Just an inside level...
3rd: The overworld (as you can see, some houses are being replaced. After houses the trees will be replaced)

[Slash-P2P]

I just made more screenshots to show more of the overworld.

1st: (its dark because the server was going into night time) but you can dig for snowballs and rocks and pelt them at enemies. I am working on snow fort building right now Its going to be very cool.

2nd: When fishing, you can either take the fish as food and sell it, or take it to a special NPC that will allow you to use it as a deadly weapon. Beware of the fish!

[protagonist]

While 3D overworlds can look nice they are, as you said, a hassle. I'd go 2D unless you have alot of people who can work well with 3D overworlds.

[Slash-P2P]

Originally Posted by protagonist

While 3D overworlds can look nice they are, as you said, a hassle. I'd go 2D unless you have alot of people who can work well with 3D overworlds.

Yeah. The 3D overworld looks very nice in my opinion, and I even have working house scripts done, but I just can't do everything I want to do.

[Leasure-13]

Originally Posted by protagonist

While 3D overworlds can look nice they are, as you said, a hassle. I'd go 2D unless you have alot of people who can work well with 3D overworlds.

I agree this that statement.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Slash-P2P

Yeah. The 3D overworld looks very nice in my opinion, and I even have working house scripts done, but I just can't do everything I want to do.

*cough*Shovel*cough*

[Nitkizi]

What kind of things do you want to do?

I say go with 3d, just on the basis that I'd rather see more 3d-terrain playerworlds..

[Raelyn]

Originally Posted by Nitkizi

What kind of things do you want to do?

I say go with 3d, just on the basis that I'd rather see more 3d-terrain playerworlds..

What about isometric? :P

I always thought 3D landscape in the 2D world was annoying in GK, more than beneficial.

[ThinkDifferent]

I made my vote for 3D just because I am sick of 2D

[xAndrewx]

The gui look's like GK, But like ew... :x

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Slash-P2P

1st: The GuildCP (Guild Control Panel) which I scripted and am very proud of

It looks so much like GK's =[ Please make it different, since I like element a lot.

[syltburk]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

The gui look's like GK, But like ew... :x

Dont forget the water

Plz dont copy gk.

[Slash-P2P]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

It looks so much like GK's =[ Please make it different, since I like element a lot.

The GuildCP was made as a replica of it. I wanted to see if I could script something just like it and I did . I'll probably change the layout as well as add some things that GK doesn't have.

Originally Posted by Raelyn

What about isometric? :P

I always thought 3D landscape in the 2D world was annoying in GK, more than beneficial.

I don't want to do isometric Thats your idea, and I wouldn't know where to start on making an isometric server.

Originally Posted by syltburk

Dont forget the water

Plz dont copy gk.

The water looks nothing like GK's water.
All terrain waters get darker depending on the water height. You can't change that.
GK doesnt have random tiles in its water such as shells and dirt mounds.

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

The gui look's like GK, But like ew... :x

I looked at GK's GUI when I designed Elements just because I like minimal GUIs. I know it turned out very similar, but I plan to change it sometime into something more unique. I'm already planning new styles.


People, when your staff are being lazy as hell and you are the only one doing work, its rather hard to create something beautiful and all on your own.
Also, the people who have been applying are just not what I am looking for so that does not help. I am strongest as a scripter, not a graphic artist.

[Raelyn]

Originally Posted by Slash-P2P

I don't want to do isometric Thats your idea, and I wouldn't know where to start on making an isometric server.

Ya, well, the only thing holding back advancment on that is that NO ONE replied to my isometric artist request, apparently I am the only one who does isometric graphics, and there is too much to be done for myself alone. I am trying to push it out, but there is so much, and 8 directional sprite sheets are time consuming. Grr.

[Malinko]

Well when a terrian, since the water has auto different shades at certain heights, it's hard to come up with a different water shade that is different from GK. Of course, you can make a different pattern, which they have.

[Spark910]

*Rigs poll so 3D wins, as there isn't one yet*

[MysticalDragon]

I love the 3D Terrain we use,but some of our houses are hard to do.Expecially the houses we want to have a walkable rooftop.Attachplayer can be a problem at times, atleast for me anyways.but i voted for 3D because thats what we been doing

Originally Posted by syltburk

Dont forget the water

Plz dont copy gk.

ummm i believe awhile back thier was alittle despuit about using certain content beeing used, that belongs to Kingdoms.Stefan said trees and i belive grass tiles and water was allowed to be used for future graal 3D playerworlds (not that we attend to use ANY of Graal Kingdoms Graphics what so eva).

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

The gui look's like GK, But like ew... :x

To be honest i prefer smaller GUIs.It seems to lag less with a smaller image draging with your player compared to a image that takes up half your screen, and only the Colors are similar to GK.

[Slash-P2P]

Lets try to keep this on topic, and here is the point of this thread:

3D Overworld:
Pros:
+ Unique (not many pws have it)
+ Looks cool

Cons:
+ Requires houses to be npcs (lags)
+ Cant make cool stuff as easily as tiles (bridges, house interaction, etc..)
+ No matter what you do, its going to look similar to GK.

2D Overworld
Pros:
+ Can do many cool things easily
+ Doesnt lag
+ Matches well with the houses (no 2d on 3d)

Cons:
+ Almost every single server has a flat map

As you can see, both sides have their good points and bad points.

[Raelyn]

Originally Posted by Slash-P2P

2D Overworld
Pros:
+ Doesnt lag

Haha, you've gone insane.

[Silver Knight]

Go with the 3D, not every server has it and all.
Plus if you go 2D you have to have some good levels people or else players will see lack of detail and not bother to find the gameplay.
With 3D I don't look for detail like I would for a 2D level, but thats just me.

[Malinko]

Yes, go with 3D. Who cares if people say it looks like Graal Kingdoms, because there is no other server like that besides Graal Kingdoms!

[Kaimetsu]

Even if you go 2D, it should be with a gmap.

[MysticalDragon]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Even if you go 2D, it should be with a gmap.

I believe thats obvious

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

I believe thats obvious

To me, yes. But whenever you are involved in a project, I'm forced to lower my expectations somewhat.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

To me, yes. But whenever you are involved in a project, I'm forced to lower my expectations somewhat.

LOL!

You got pwned MD, nice one kai.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Raelyn

Ya, well, the only thing holding back advancment on that is that NO ONE replied to my isometric artist request, apparently I am the only one who does isometric graphics, and there is too much to be done for myself alone. I am trying to push it out, but there is so much, and 8 directional sprite sheets are time consuming. Grr.

I know

I feel the same thing...

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Gerami

LOL!

You got pwned MD, nice one kai.

*sigh*

[Slash-P2P]

Of course the map will be a gmap.

Originally Posted by Raelyn

Haha, you've gone insane.

I don't think so. With 2D I can have tiles for trees and tiles for houses. With 3D everything has to be an NPC which can get very laggy.

[URBANLEGEND]

After playing on your server 3 times. Stick with 3d. Script efficently and there will be little lag.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

To me, yes. But whenever you are involved in a project, I'm forced to lower my expectations somewhat.

You arrogent ****.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by URBANLEGEND

You arrogent ****.

It is arrogant to think MysticalDragon is an idiot? Why?

[Slash-P2P]

Stop bickering.
I shall keep 3D Element.

[haro41]

haha pwnt by slash.

[Moonite]

do u have any lats that can work with ur 3d tileset?
because I wanted to make an 3d ow to long time ago but I just didnt fidn anyone who can work with it

[Slash-P2P]

Originally Posted by Moonite

do u have any lats that can work with ur 3d tileset?
because I wanted to make an 3d ow to long time ago but I just didnt fidn anyone who can work with it

LATs dont do much on a 3D overworld. You use the terrain generator to make a map and then you set. Its mostly NATs placing trees, houses, paths, etc...You could get an LAT to do it, but in my opinion its too simple of a job for an LAT to do.

[xAndrewx]

if you script it properly it won't lagg, the image dosn't matter.. look why gmaps was inforced

[Moonite]

Originally Posted by Slash-P2P

LATs dont do much on a 3D overworld. You use the terrain generator to make a map and then you set. Its mostly NATs placing trees, houses, paths, etc...You could get an LAT to do it, but in my opinion its too simple of a job for an LAT to do.

I just dont get it how will this generator generate ur map? hoe doe it know with tile like +3 or -1 arè?

Try ufind a lat thats good in Scripting so he cant script and fix ur lil problem with ur Setting Trees and Bushes..

[ZeroTrack]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

It is arrogant to think MysticalDragon is an idiot? Why?

hes not an idiot ... hes just always high

[Slash-P2P]

Originally Posted by Moonite

I just dont get it how will this generator generate ur map? hoe doe it know with tile like +3 or -1 arè?

Try ufind a lat thats good in Scripting so he cant script and fix ur lil problem with ur Setting Trees and Bushes..

Open the terrain generator and see. It makes a random map for you.

I can script everything. I already have done most of it.