Do Something

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

There's 5 kingdoms on Graal Kingdoms.
Nothing is being done.
All the fun is being promoted into leveling, PKing, making friends, sharing items, trading items, giving items, partying up, having events for items.....
Dustari, KJ, and Zormite are all allied. Pirates are kind of lone and just as inactive. Forest has an excuse- Chris isn't even claiming that the kingdom is being active, he's saying it's under development and that he's having problems and lack of support for his development (I think).

Do you not all see what's missing?
Where are the international diplomatic matters?
Where are the wars?
Where are the skrimishes?
Where are the battles?
Where are the ship raids?
Where are the signing of treaties?
Where are the breaking of treaties?
Where are the retaliations for breakings of treaties?
Where are the personal attacks against high officials in kingdoms?
Where are the world tyrants?
Where are the campaigns to take over the world?
Where are the bannings of trades?
Where are the gifts of monuments from one nation to another?
Where are the destructions of these gifts?
Where are the secret groups infesting a nation and staging a coup d'état in their kingdom?

Someone please do something. Right now kingdoms are not kingdoms, accept it. Yet, they're also not PKing guilds like on classic servers- because allowing that means admitting to not being a kingdom anymore. They're just a club of friends who have to be honorable- no random PKing, no scamming, no harassment, no random profanity... etc.

I'm not blaming anyone. These kind of things don't require everyone to wage war on eachother or anything. But if noone's doing anything, SOMEONE has to do something. Things have kind of just settled too much over time. That's all I'm saying. Don't take this to be a flame. This is a post of concern. GK is just so boring when all there is to do is level up, collect items, etc... try to be a power-player basically + other random stuff. The other random stuff for entertainment (collect a bunch of items that aren't really needed for power-playing... do the other "jobs" in the game) is getting old really fast. The game's development encouraged power-playing. Adressing that point though is for another thread in another forum. If power-playing is encouraged with the game's development, kingdoms can still have RPing and the expected kingdom fun.

If any of the stuff I listed is going on, please show me where it's been in the daily screenshots and explain to me why noone's posting about it on these forums.

Edit: And if none of you can get to an organized state, just have power-playing wars, why don't you? It'll be a start at least -.-... at least SOMETHING will be going on. Some people will be able to RP off of the power-playing wars...

[KyJe27]

Preach it brother!

ditto, ditto, and DITTO!

I say one kingdom should take the initaive to get things rolling again. One kingdom has to stand out and take the bull by the horns! Please if not for yourseleves, for the rest of us.

[Satrek2000]

I have to agree to a certain extend, some progressive diplomacy is needed. People have to realize that they can be enemies with their friends, ooc. The main problem with wars though, is the timing - there have been a few in the time I was active, but in another timezone, i.e. I woke up to hear there was a war, never seen a single arrow/bullet/cannonball fly.

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec
Where are the secret groups infesting a nation and staging a coup d'état in their kingdom?

The answer is simple - they are secret

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Humm, i agree there should be more international activity, such as diplomatic scuffles and such, but wars? What the hell is even the point, ziro. There aren't many powerplayers within kingdoms, (and then there are a few that join or become suddenly active again just because there's a war) but those who are there just make wars so so so pointless.

Think about it, you're a lvl15 with a nice blessed bow or sword...you've never been in a war before, and you're really excited as you wait on the boat to attack the enemy.
You press the "leave" button of the boat, and are instantly killed by either A) 25 icestorms that're being spammed about. B) A guy with a Warhammer or something prepped to hell, that even if you did manage to get close to him you wouldn't be able to hit due to his leeto +10 helm, armour, shield, boots, gauntlets and gloves.
Ograet, you had a lot of fun being killed in seconds in that war...lets have another one so you can die all over again!

[Satrek2000]

I think this is where forts would come in - pre-designed forts, made to resist a siege; guard towers that players can mount to fire weapons from - either a mounted cannon or their own bow; maybe a magic protection system that requires mages to fill it using bullets or something, to denote mana to strengthen the forts; ...
Also needed, in my opinion, would be proper planning of the war by both participating kingdoms, and a system where forts can only be taken or manned if a leader opens them.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Satrek2000
I think this is where forts would come in - pre-designed forts, made to resist a siege; guard towers that players can mount to fire weapons from - either a mounted cannon or their own bow; maybe a magic protection system that requires mages to fill it using bullets or something, to denote mana to strengthen the forts; ...
Also needed, in my opinion, would be proper planning of the war by both participating kingdoms, and a system where forts can only be taken or manned if a leader opens them.

Yeah, we gotta campaign for this stuff before we can campaign for more kingdom interaction O_O

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Wars do NOT take place in one day. A REAL war would take place over the course of a good amount of time... at LEAST a few days. A war consists of battles, and a battle can take place in one night- yes. However, the war can be made up other things also. You can have events that are related to the war. Ceremonies...etc. Even the low-leveled players who would die instantly in a power-playing battle could take part in some of these events. Also, it doesn't all have to be based on levels/stats. Boat fights are fair for everyone.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee
Think about it, you're a lvl15 with a nice blessed bow or sword...you've never been in a war before, and you're really excited as you wait on the boat to attack the enemy.
You press the "leave" button of the boat, and are instantly killed by either A) 25 icestorms that're being spammed about. B) A guy with a Warhammer or something prepped to hell, that even if you did manage to get close to him you wouldn't be able to hit due to his leeto +10 helm, armour, shield, boots, gauntlets and gloves.
Ograet, you had a lot of fun being killed in seconds in that war...lets have another one so you can die all over again!

Sad to say, that's war. If you don't like it you shouldn't be fighting.

[--Chris--]

<3

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by ZanderX


Sad to say, that's war. If you don't like it you shouldn't be fighting.

Dewd, noway, that's not war, that's just PKing on a larger and more concentrated scale. Ever see a barbarian with a big hammer stop a sword with his skin?

And yeah i agree ziro..wars shouldnt just be based on one little scuffle between powerplayers. And boat wars are way fun, its a pity the boats suck and are laggy and stuff.

Here's a fort-fighting system i wrote up a while ago, i think it'd be nice as part of a war
http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=51001

Edit: Also, heh, that's quite a nice bow chris...isn't it in the wrong thread though? lol o_o

[Satrek2000]

Wars should last longer than a few house, yet the recent ones didn't. Maybe the leaders should plan something, with battles in every timezone...

Also, in real war you're dead when you die, you don't respawn somewhere where someone might already be waiting to pk you into fine slices.

[Myomoto]

I think one of the reasons we havn't got any wars is because of the fighting system, on g2k1 you didn't had to ring a bell before you could fight the other kingdom, i think this is one of the reasons, it's too complicated to start a fight... Hmm... i think i have to talk with the members of KJ which kingdom we should try to assault ;O It should be easy to do treaties now with the pen item and such? hmm... Sorry but i'm too low of rank(yet) to affect this anyway ._.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

In order to make a war work, ALL KINGS have to be on friendly terms OOCly, but be on agressive terms IC. People need to tell apart IC and OOC relations. Or for other peoplem- they need to start RPing to CREATE an IC personality.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec
In order to make a war work, ALL KINGS have to be on friendly terms OOCly, but be on agressive terms IC. People need to tell apart IC and OOC relations. Or for other peoplem- they need to start RPing to CREATE an IC personality.

Yeah i suppose there really isnt enough IC/OOC separation, most people just RP spontaneously and stuff

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Monkeyboy_McGee


Yeah i suppose there really isnt enough IC/OOC separation, most people just RP spontaneously and stuff

Yeah, it scares me when I see people calling eachother "Mama" or "Daddy" and then the next second they say things like "wut lvl r u"... x.x It's like if I were to call a male friend of mine "Daddy" IRL.