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First off, Monkeyboy, I appreciate your support, but I have to say that I need you to refrain from personal attacks against Ziro and Yuber. These attacks lead to an excuse to close the thread under the pirate forum, before I could even respond to some of the things posted under my last comments there. It's not helping the situation, only heating the flames. Thanks.
"People don't have to be IC on tag ALL the time. They should RP though and we encourage this. You should do this if the situation allows it. (vague rule)"
People have to be IC all the time while on tag. This is commonly accepted by all the kingdoms, and no one has challenged this. It is the issue of having people put -OOC- in their name while on tag, only to ensure there is 'activity' amongst the members. The point is, the isolation you've put into effect cancels the need for -OOC-. Everyone besides CP members are OOC, therefore there's no need for us to put that in our name. So if you see members walking about and they aren't talking piratey (when they are not on the pirate island, and there are no pirates around) they are breaking no rules. The people around them are OOC, therefore there's no need for them to talk ICly. What's the point in talking between (( and ))? By your very rules, they'd just be talking to themselves since everyone around them doesn't really exist.
I would say that, even if people are off tag, that their actions reflect CP. Having a Captain go off tag, trick a bunch of people to come into a tavern, and then proceed to pk them all without much of an IC reason fer it, doesn't reflect well on your hardcore roleplaying environment that keeps being shouted about.
"People will be promoted based on how many hours they have lgoged onto Graal, how long they've been in the kingdom, and what level they are"
For all I know, that's how things are going right now. Members have complained that over your 3 months as Governor, they feel they have been wrongly overlooked for promotions, while they have to watch people bumped up to high ranking positions on the very day they join. The prestige for those positions go down the toilet, and the ones in question that received these promotions are now kicked for not following the rules. How did they get to those high positions then? Can't tell me it's a fluke...
"PKing is not allowed on tag or while RPing. I mean...who's ever heard of a pirate that...*gulps* kills people? Or does illegal things? A practicioner of piracy who commits crimes? THAT'S NONESENSE!"
PK'ing during RP is understood as acceptable, and many people agree with this. Scamming people is not, and there was a scammer within the clan, and when confronted about it, the victim received the response "we're pirates, what do you expect?" Would you sit idley with the same answer? I'm sure you wouldn't. Of course, you're too smart to fall for a scam, but not everyone lives a life where they don't trust people. That needs to be taken into consideration. Thankfully Coven resolved the issue and booted that player out. That person still doesn't have their equipment, and I might add, it made the overall impression of CP as being a haven for scammers.
"If someone breaks any rules, the kingdom officials MUST beg, plead, and be nice (as nice as if you were talking to your only remaining friend/family who is very weak, fragile, and could die by a minor touch)"
Nobody has asked for this. If a major rule is broken that goes against game policy and such, I agree with punishment. People who don't RP correctly shouldn't be confronted harshly. You're not going to teach them anything if you hurt their feelings. Remember, a number of your members are still young men and women, and the adults in your group don't take kindly on how you speak to them either. Respect is the issue at hand in that regard.
"People in the kingdom who complain about how our RPing is horrible WILL be frowned upon and even punished"
Those of us who are against your rules have no problem with the RPing in the kingdom. We are absolutely in support of a stronger Roleplaying environment in the Crescent Pirates. What worries us is that you are taking us away from a public RP environment, and are trying to make it completely private. By doing so, you are removing us from the very basics of Kingdoms. If you're making us OOC to all the other kingdoms, you're writing us right out of the GK storyline. What's to stop a rogue group of pirates who wish to roleplay with the other kingdoms from starting up, and taking over your organization? That'd be more in character than the items in the document you've written. As a matter of fact, besides for the way people talk and the fact that not everyone agrees with some of your rules in other kingdoms, what IC reason do you have for us to roleplay that no other kingdom exists?
"You don't have to be a pirate. GK doesn't have a good system for being pirates. And since roleplaying is TOTALLY about how you look in-game and has NOTHING to do with imagination and pretending, it's IMPOSSIBLE to be a pirate. So all you people who don't want to talk at all like a pirate, dont like acting like a sailor, and just want to be some other type of person are now allowed in here."
I think the system for GK is very much in favor of pirates. We have ships, there's a lot of clothing that looks like a good pirate could wear, we have eye patches on several heads, a weapon that is a hook, an awesome looking island. You're also contradicting yourself. First your sarcasm is about how we feel that roleplaying has nothing to do with imagination and pretending (which we don't), then you say that being a pirate is all about talking like one. There's more to being a pirate than the way you talk, but people get jumped on all the time because they don't talk piratey enough for your standards.
"By placing these new rules into action, we will simply disregard the hard, long efforts of the members and leaders from the past, especially Ghost Pirate, and just continue being a shamefull group under the name of what was once the Pirate Crew."
Some of the people who are against ye are some of these long-standing members and leaders. I honestly am not a long-time member myself, but I'm sure Ghost Pirate would have had it in his plan to try and improve the overall quality of the server's roleplaying, and not say that no one likes your rules so they can't play in your sand box anymore.
"Do you see why I don't care about making those people happy? Not only am I afraid of Ghost Pirate seeking out my current physical location and removing my skull from my spine, but believe it or not...*gasp* I prefer an RPing environment. I'd rather make the RPers happy. They also have less complaints. A non-RPer worries more about items and game mechanics; getting his kills and items stolen...etc. I won't have an RPer PM me and saying "Oh, man! Sailor <insert name> stole my eye patch right off my eye! We were by my house and he said '*rips off your eye patch*'. Do something plz!"....Since you decided to bring the topic into this thread, I'll say it now...I'm not going to care much about this flame war since it can be summed up like this: "RPers" vs "Non-RPers/Bad-RPers/People who don't want to learn to RP"."
You don't care about making the majority of your members happy, and you fear a person who is no longer affiliated with CP, or as you like to nostalgically refer to as the Pirate Crew. You want to make this out to be an RPer versus Non-RPer, but in actuality it's a powerhungry butt-kisser group versus people who have a different opinion than you and believe you should spread some of that power more and let more people be involved in decisions for the kingdom as a whole.
"I give respect to people I respect."'
So, Yuber, if everyone followed this philosophy, no one would respect anyone or anything else. If you give respect before someone shows they don't deserve it, you'll receive more respect in the long run.
"The sarcasm is a bad habbit from my older brothers."
This is an excuse, take responsibility for your actions.
"I also have been on kingdoms for a long time... I was in Crecent Pirates but my account ran out. When I came back I was already Blackguard, but the original Captain left so Ziro asked me to take his place. I did not just inherit it from Ziro because I am his friend nor because I have a high level."
I understand now, but what IC reason is it for you to receive back your position? What IC reason was it that you disappeared and you needed to be replaced?
"Another reason for my sarcasm is you cannot say something inteligent to a immature person(s) in a argument. Sometimes it is best to stoop to their level so they can see how dumb they look when how annoyed they get with you."
Ignore them, then. As a leader, you should always be above such things. Bringing yourself down doesn't prove you right, as you know, two wrongs don't make a right. You're not helping your position when you respond to someone who stands in front of you calmly and maturely with sarcasm, rudeness, and overall jerkyness. These people who act immaturely should be looking bad on my position, but by acting immaturely yourself, you're actually hurting your more than mine. |
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