Creativity in Levels?

[DarkDragoon_Lloyd]

I know that there are many people here that are capable of making nice levels, some greater than others, but there is one thing I think peoples levels are lacking, and that is creativity!

So someone posts a level, the level is nice, detailed, and colorful.
It has some water, cliffs, sand, grass, trees, desert, etc.
Lots of people enjoy it, and begin to make similar levels as they are appealing, and eventually almost everyone is using the same style...
Eventually it gets old. Whenever I look at levels on the forums, they are the same old things! I haven't seen anything new or original in a long time!

This is what you should probably expect to see when someone posts a level:

Beginner Level = straight paths, sand path, predefined house, predefined bushes, rocks, straight cliffs(predefined), non-linked trees, and tile errors...

OK Level = windy paths(no sandpath, other style), interesting houses, interesting detail, jagged cliffs, a nice beach or cliff going into water, linked trees, few hardly noticable tile errors...

Advanced Level = good looking paths(perfect blend between the different styles), awesome houses, great detail, windy cliffs that go everywhere and look good, nice cliff of beach going into highly-detailed water, perfect waterfall with no errors, linked trees of all colors, barely any tile errors...


OK, well this is all good and fine, I still have yet to see something that has style and creativity!

I want to see creations. On a rare occasion I have seen things mashed together(bottom of a rooshe, top of a bush), and odd looking statues and stone creations, but they usually look horrible and don't work well...

Tile I think could be interesting: Bush/Rooshe/Sprout, Jules, Cliffs, Tree Roots, Small Trees, Large Bush, Large Stone, Treehouse, Statues.

Maybe you guys can post some creations or something? -_-

Attachment: I am not very creative...

[draygin]

Most of the advanced people dont post their own work that often. We just dont feel the need to. I never make levels for showing off my skills etc.. If I do something its always for a purpose. A Server etc.. Often times I expirement with Tiles but I rarely finish these expirimentations once I establish what I was trying to create. Example one thing that I happen to have a screen shot here at work. A dried up river during a drought. Some one told me it couldn't be done so I went and made one a while back. But never did any real work with the level itself just the river.

Even with this river there are hundreds of things I could do differently or changed but after I established it could be done I no longer felt the need to work on it. So really there is alot of creativity just most advanced level makers I know don't show it off except to good friends.

[TripleE]

Also,there are very talented people who make just one level. You people who ahve levels that people like could make a small town,or even a world to help a current playerworld,or to build your own. I think with a server about 35-50% of the completion is levels. Levels are a key thing to make. So donate some time when your bored this summer to a playerworld or create your own for others to enjoy.

[Judge_S]

Originally posted by draygin
So really there is alot of creativity just most advanced level makers I know don't show it off except to good friends.

Amen to that.

[zell12]

When you make levels for 3 years, like me, it becomes a burden because all of the people want you to make levels for their server, then you end up getting lazy and just stop making levels all together.

[protagonist]

Creativity only lasts as long as the level is private.

[zell12]

The tile set needs to be expanded.

[SingleChance]

Originally posted by zell12
The tile set needs to be expanded.

yes definately.

[Aknts]

Originally posted by zell12
When you make levels for 3 years, like me, it becomes a burden because all of the people want you to make levels for their server, then you end up getting lazy and just stop making levels all together.

You been making levels for 3 years? Heh

[draygin]

That's why I rarely work for server's any more, every time I do some genious gets the idea. Let's make this server one of the top 3 servers. We're going to give it a face lift and make it cool. What they really means is. Hey all you LAT's its time to get crapped on you get to make a whole new overworld. Now yes I'm aware this is our third overworld this month but it's your job so deal with it. So any more I quit applying for servers. I dont care if people see my work any more I'd rather not have the headaches of redoing overworlds for crap servers and managment any more.

[Aknts]

Originally posted by draygin
That's why I rarely work for server's any more, every time I do some genious gets the idea. Let's make this server one of the top 3 servers. We're going to give it a face lift and make it cool. What they really means is. Hey all you LAT's its time to get crapped on you get to make a whole new overworld. Now yes I'm aware this is our third overworld this month but it's your job so deal with it. So any more I quit applying for servers. I dont care if people see my work any more I'd rather not have the headaches of redoing overworlds for crap servers and managment any more.

SHUT UP!! FINISH MAKING ME 4 OVERWORLDS IN 2 HOURS IM GOING TO MAKE THE NUMBER 1 SERVER AHAHA!!

[zell12]

Originally posted by draygin
That's why I rarely work for server's any more, every time I do some genious gets the idea. Let's make this server one of the top 3 servers. We're going to give it a face lift and make it cool. What they really means is. Hey all you LAT's its time to get crapped on you get to make a whole new overworld. Now yes I'm aware this is our third overworld this month but it's your job so deal with it. So any more I quit applying for servers. I dont care if people see my work any more I'd rather not have the headaches of redoing overworlds for crap servers and managment any more.

Thats the same way - no, the exact way I feel. :o

[protagonist]

It's true, LATs always get the worst treatment on any server. Then the servers whine when they don't have any.

[DarkDragoon_Lloyd]

Originally posted by draygin
That's why I rarely work for server's any more, every time I do some genious gets the idea. Let's make this server one of the top 3 servers. We're going to give it a face lift and make it cool. What they really means is. Hey all you LAT's its time to get crapped on you get to make a whole new overworld. Now yes I'm aware this is our third overworld this month but it's your job so deal with it. So any more I quit applying for servers. I dont care if people see my work any more I'd rather not have the headaches of redoing overworlds for crap servers and managment any more.

Sounds like Bravo...

LAT: OK, Bravo is almost complete
Manager: No, no, we are changing it to Andor now!
LAT: >=-(

*1 month later*

LAT: OK, Andor is done
LAT Admin: No, no! Remake it again!
LAT: AGH!

*1 month later*

LAT: OK, almost done with New Andor overworld
Manager: No, delete it! We are going back to old Bravo again, and we are going to preserve the old, crappy levels, so all LATs are fired!
LAT: OK, whatever, but the PWA's are gunna get mad because the levels don't meet the standards
Manager: Suuurrreee...

*1 week later*

Manager: The PWA's want us to improve the levels! Please come and work for us again!
LAT: Umm, k?
Manager: Good, remake the overworld now, k?
LAT: >=-(

*1 month later*

LAT: OK! Our overworld is 95% complete! We are almost done!
Manager: No, no... delete all these levels! We are going modern! Make a modern overworld now! Make it look like Era, but if anyone asks, we had the idea first! =/
LAT: >=-(

*1 day later*

LAT: OK, I made about 15 levels for the overworld!
Manager: Good, I will give you 5 hours to finish the other 50 levels!
LAT: WHAT!? You expect me to complete the overworld in 5 hours, with no help!? I can't even stay on for 5 more hours!
Manager: Too bad, and don't forget the inside levels! Each outside needs to have at least 3 insides! Get to work! If you don't do it in time, I will do a complete staff wipe!
Other Staff: Get to work, bish!
LAT: Can I at least hire another LAT to help me?
Manager: No, do it alone!

*5 hours later*

LAT: OKOK, I stayed up all night and skipped school to make your levels... Are you happy now?
Manager: No, no, no! You did it all wrong! AGH! DO IT AGAIN!
LAT: No, I quit!
Manager: OK, see if I care!

*1 day later*

Manager: Please come back and work for us again? We really need your help!
LAT: No!
Manager: We will treat you with respect! Please?
LAT: Err... OK?
Manager: Good, now make me another overworld, bish!

*1 week later*

LAT: Here, I made an overworld, it looks good, I did exactly what you told me to do!
Manager: Its... perfect! I would use it, but we changed the plan, we are now fusing with another server!
LAT: What? God...


Thats pretty much what happened during the time I worked there... =/

[YoungTwist]

You dont like it quit. All those dam logs are lies. We were not even working on Andor when we switched.And when we started to develop new Bravo,it was because nemesis said Old Bravos levels couldnt remain up.

Manager: Please come back and work for us again? We really need your help!


Thats a lie, You always came back begging for your job.I was next to MD one day when you had to of imed him atleast 20 times.If your going to reach out for help and cry to the fellow graal players atleast tell them the truth.WE NEVER asked for you to come back we dont even like your level quality its below average for Crying out load.If it was my way you wouldnt even be thier.