Managers

[Spark910]

Note to all managers:
Because the manager and co-manager positions gain a lot of power and rights, from now on ALL new managers must be told to us first. We wish to know who is becoming a Manager so we can keep our records up-to-date and express any concerns we may have with that person becoming manager.

ALSO any manager who wishes to quit his/her PW, we would ask for a reason, so we can identify patterns of people quitting the PW, so problems and be noticed from that. And when you quit, as hirring the new managers, if you could let us know who you want to take your place, so records are up-to-date, and once again if the staff team or any of the admins on graal have objections with that peron becoming Manager, problems are solved.

This will most dfinatly change with the payment plans. Although when they are released, we have to keep a record of who is in charge on a server, so keeping us up-to-date on that, would be useful when the time comes.

Finally if any player can see any error with the following list, or a manager, let us know. It’s done this way:

position: nickname (account)

Atlantis:
Manager: zwr (zwr)

Babylon:
Manager: Alexander (Alexander)
Asst. Manager: Cortez (LittleBiiru)

Bravo:
Manager: Brandon (Brandon)
Manager: Mystical Dragon (MysticalDragonP2P)
Manager: Sky (Andor_Admin2)
Co-Manager: Neg (Neglegence2002)

Cynical:
Manager: Excalibur (zell12)

Delteria:
Manager: SP Agent (SP_Agent_1)
Co-Manager: Blade (VikingBladeII)
Co-Manager: Cloven (Cloven_DC)

Doomsday:
Manager: Tifa (TifaKhan)
Co-Manager: ReDeeMeR (kthxbye)

Engima:
Manager: krazyie yang (THEONE-N-ONLYKRAYZIE)

Era:
Manager: Chrisz (Chrisz)

Frolic:
Manager: Cybnext (Cybnext)
Manager: Knuckles (Knuckles)

Gaia:
Manager: Tornado (Senkasui)
Manager: Xys (master-x)

N-Pulse:
Manager: MoonGod (Milkdude99)
Manager: MoonGoddess (Darlene159)

Shaded Ledgends:
Manager: Archangel (Aruchinjiru)
Co-Manager-TtTackler(Nitkizi)

Unholy Nation:
Manager: KillJoy (Icemage25)
Co-Manager: Okilian (Okilian)

_____________
UC/Private PWs:
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Doragon Koden:
Manager: G_Yoshi (G_yoshi)

Graal2230:
Manager: Ghost Pirate (Ghost Pirate)

Maloria:
Manager: MrWorry (JudgeDurst)

Oasis:
Manager: Konidias (konidias)

Rudora:
Manager: GrowlZ (GrowlZ1010)
Manager: Kiirar (Neoreno)
Manager: WanDaMan (WanDaMan)

Shifting Ages:
Manager: Soul Blade (Soul-Blade)

Terra:
Manager: Sebman (Sebman)
Co-Manager: Bingo_Bomy (Ivie)
Co-Manager: Cyrioux (Cyrioux)

Valikorlia:
Manager: Jesse (solar_t)
Co-Manager: Mido (middo )

[zrpgp2p]

Originally posted by Spark910

Maloria:
Manager: BinaryCrash (BinaryCrash)

You might want to fix that.

Manager: MrWorry (JudgeDurst)

[konidias]

Uhh, why do you have like:

Manager
Co-Manager
Co-Manager

They should all be "co-manager". Having one called manager and the others as "co-manager" makes it appear like the one called manager is above the others. If they all manage the playerworld equally, they should all be co-managers. Otherwise, you need to change it to Assistant managers.

So basically, it's impossible to have a manager and co-manager on the same playerworld. You either have (manager, assistant manager) or (co-manager,co-manager).

I know it's not really that big of a deal, but it does kind of organize the entire list of people into their proper categories.

[thesaiyan]

Yes spark.. Its Shaded Legend.. and its ArchAngel(Aruchinjiru)manager and co-manager-TtTackler(Nitkizi)

[Spark910]

Originally posted by zrpgp2p


You might want to fix that.

Manager: MrWorry (JudgeDurst)

Oops yeah! I copied this out of my thread I made in the PW Managers section, but forgot to edit that last one.

Originally posted by konidias


[POST]

Ah well I have changed it now to work the way to be more fair. The reason for not having it like that was it would be harder to quickly see it:

Manager: MrManager (manager1) Unknown (asdf-fdsa)
Co-Manager: HellRaven (unknown_boy) HeavensCast (boy2452ZZ23)

So by putting them all under each other its easier. Anyhow the new fair way is:

Managers:
Co-Manager:

If there is more than one Manager I have put it in Alphbeticla order, OR, if I can remeber who was Manager first out of them, like the original, they are at the top....

Originally posted by thesaiyan
Yes spark.. Its Shaded Legend.. and its ArchAngel(Aruchinjiru)manager and co-manager-TtTackler(Nitkizi)

Changed. Thanks.

[Soul-Blade]

-_-

So why did you need to know the managers, again?

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
-_-

So why did you need to know the managers, again?

There were two purposes to this thread:

1) To give a notice to the Managers
2) To get an accurate list, as you can see I had mistakes, and so, that by its self seems to be a good reason for it, as it may be useful if anyone needs them.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Spark910


There were two purposes to this thread:

1) To give a notice to the Managers
2) To get an accurate list, as you can see I had mistakes, and so, that by its self seems to be a good reason for it, as it may be useful if anyone needs them.

I didn't mean the thread. I mean why do you need to know the managers? Why set rules you cannot enforce?

If a manager wishes to leave, then he will leave. A time limit of staying manager? What a joke! This isn't any legal contract, they aren't paid, and they have no reason to follow such rules.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade


I didn't mean the thread. I mean why do you need to know the managers? Why set rules you cannot enforce?

If a manager wishes to leave, then he will leave. A time limit of staying manager? What a joke! This isn't any legal contract, they aren't paid, and they have no reason to follow such rules.

First of all we want to know all of the managers as it is useful, and important to all of us that we know who’s who where.

We may not be able to fully enforce the rule. But let’s take enigma for example. The manager who took over was a load of rubbish. He didn’t come on, the staffs were in more of a mess, and half of the staff didn't think he should have become manager. If it went through us we would have go opinions on people who the manager wished to become manager, as well as looking what’s best for the server. And maybe Engima wouldn't have been shut down, but it did.

Second reason for having these rules is, do you want me to change it so a Manager can quit, leave any number of people in charge, and the managers left in charge, can quit and leave other people in charge every weekend, so we have new managers each week? Well if you do or don’t, doing such a thing is stupid. While there is no contract, as you have said, if managers are switching between too shot periods of times, actions may be taken against the PW. And such changes all of the time, could, after viewing the reasoning for the managers departure, could suggest this PW no longer needs to be online, as it is not fit to be so.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Spark910
Note to all managers:
ALSO any manager who wishes to quit his/her PW must give us his/her reasoning for doing so, and suggest some managers to take his/her position, identifying who you wish to be the manager from your list. Once/If managers have been switched that manager MUST stay with the PW for at least 4-6months, as we are NOT going to allow rapid change of Management, as this will cause disruption in the development and situation of the PW.

If a Manager wishes to quit they HAVE to give a reason? What kind of nonsense is that? If a Manger wants to quit what difference does it make why she/he wants to quit? A person does not have to seek "permission" to quit a PW; you are way out of line here Spark. We are not paid and we don't owe you or Graal ANYTHING in way of an explanation of why we may want to quit, if we choose to do this then that is up to us not you. If a PW has more than one Manager I don't see why a replacement is necessary or required unless the present Manager wants another person and then they can come to you with that request for that person.

Now I have a question, does this now mean you are going to try to control Staff promotions as well? For instance I may want to promote an Admin to an Asst. Manager position I have to ask you first? Since this is a very low grade Manager I will let you know here I am not going to do this, a full Manager sure I agree with that but not for anything under that. If you start this you will be taking all the rights from the PWs to run their PW, then you don't need Managers the PWA can run it all. It's one thing to want stability on a PW I agree with this and quite another to be too controlling of it.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
If a Manager wishes to quit they HAVE to give a reason? What kind of nonsense is that? If a Manger wants to quit what difference does it make why she/he wants to quit? A person does not have to seek "permission" to quit a PW; you are way out of line here Spark. We are not paid and we don't owe you or Graal ANYTHING in way of an explanation of why we may want to quit, if we choose to do this then that is up to us not you. If a PW has more than one Manager I don't see why a replacement is necessary or required unless the present Manager wants another person and then they can come to you with that request for that person.

Now I have a question, does this now mean you are going to try to control Staff promotions as well? For instance I may want to promote an Admin to an Asst. Manager position I have to ask you first? Since this is a very low grade Manager I will let you know here I am not going to do this, a full Manager sure I agree with that but not for anything under that. If you start this you will be taking all the rights from the PWs to run their PW, then you don't need Managers the PWA can run it all. It's one thing to want stability on a PW I agree with this and quite another to be too controlling of it.

First part: It would be useful incase this happens:

Manager 1: Quitting because this server has no future, and the staff do not listen to my commands.
Manager 2: Nobody respects me on my staff team
Manager 3: Too many corrupt people on the team, I fire them, get more, but they turn corrupt too.

Then we can see that the PW is unfit as a staff team, and something needs to be done.

Second Part: No. But if we know of reasons why this person should not be manager, we would tell you. Either way we need to KNOW who is becoming manager, so we can change our record of Managers. We aren't going tos top you at all, but we will give our opinions if we feel that person is not correct for the postion, you listening to them or not is your choice. It just allows us to know whos where, and stop double managers, and courrpt people getting high jobs.

I should have re-worded my first post but:

1) We need to know of Managment changes as its important we know who the Managers are.

2) We will not allow Managers to be swopping around every other day, as its a job, if you feel you can not handle it for a reasonable length of time to aid the PW, then your probably best not accepting such a position.

[Darlene159]

ALSO any manager who wishes to quit his/her PW must give us his/her reasoning for doing so, and suggest some managers to take his/her position, identifying who you wish to be the manager from your list.

bogus
I agree with Moon God, and Soul-Blade

[Spark910]

I have edited the post above yours. I can see the concerns, and I have not correctly worded my first post to say what I wished to.

[Nitkizi]

Do I get access to special PW Management forums now?

And yes, Asst. Manager makes much more sense. When you say Co-Manager, you are actually saying you are part of something, and I'm not part of Archangel, sooo..

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Nitkizi
Do I get access to special PW Management forums now?

And yes, Asst. Manager makes much more sense. When you say Co-Manager, you are actually saying you are part of something, and I'm not part of Archangel, sooo..

hmm, well im going by what most PWs use as a tag to show their job title. Its up to everyone if they use Asst or Co-. But I have posted in this thread as Co as most people said Co-Manager.

[Nitkizi]

Originally posted by Spark910


hmm, well im going by what most PWs use as a tag to show their job title. Its up to everyone if they use Asst or Co-. But I have posted in this thread as Co as most people said Co-Manager.

Okay then, whatever floats your boat.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Nitkizi
Do I get access to special PW Management forums now?

And yes, Asst. Manager makes much more sense. When you say Co-Manager, you are actually saying you are part of something, and I'm not part of Archangel, sooo..

All Co means is more than one meaning you have more than one Manager , it is NOT a step down but equal in power , now an Asst Manger is a step down and below a Manager or Co Manager, Moonie and I choose to both use Manager for less confusion on the players who don't know the differece in the two.



Spark:

I agree with the stability of a PW and a stable Management , Moonie and I have Managed Npulse for 2 years even if I left and that day is coming , nothing will change on Npulse. It won't fall apart nor is there a problem with wild Staff, Npulse has always been very stable as far as Staff under us because we have strick rules and good Staff who do their job well. Sure all PWs have Staff who get fired for corrupt things or not doing their job but this does not happen very often on Npulse because the Staff are choosen very carefully by the Chiefs and Admins in place who take great care to try to get the best person for the job. Nothing is 100% sure but you well know Npulse under us has been very stable.

[zell12]

Arg, having tags 'CoManager' is just wrong, the tags should be Manager, but you would refer to yourselfs, or to two managers as CoManagers. Just as you call all the people you work with CoWorkers.

It is just like saying:
We co-exist on earth.
We exist on earth together.

Also, the Asst. Manager should be just called Admin.

I made an outline of a staff list I suggested to MD (I have been doing suggestions to him throught the time I was "staff" there 2 weeks ago, and he ignored most of it), so I'll show you it all, just because I want to:
*Note: The numbers just mean the max amount.

Manager (2)
Admin (1)
GP Chief (1)
GP (3)
Level Team(4)
Scripts Team (4)
Graphics/Gani Team (4)

Positions like ETs, Webmasters etc... should not have RC, as they just take up space, and RC is for Administration and Development. Not chit-chatting all day about stupid things. Oh, and if you have a Guild Admin or Staff Manager, they are pointless positions and should be deleted. This just shows that the Managers/Admin cannot do their job.

**Managers would have level 4 rights.
Admin would have level 4, except server options, set rights, set folder rights and set folder configuration.
GP Chief would have level 3, but not set flags.
GP would have level 3, but not set flags.
Level Team would have level 2, plus set/view attributes.
Scripts Team would have level 2, plus set/view attributes, and NC.
Graphics/Gani Team would have level 2, plus set/view attributes.


Small team of staff, which is orgnaized and lead by a good, likeable Manager is most efficent.

**Managers are the only ones allowed to have level 4 rights (setrights, setfolder rights, server options and folder options) I believe. I talked to Spark about it while at Bravo, and he agreed. I told him about it because half the staff had full level four, and was the reason behind the server being taken over 2 weeks ago; that and ip ranges were not set, though I did tell Sky and MD to set them.

[Knuckles]

Cybnext is Asst manager of Frolic.

[Pokilty]

yea i agree with all this... a common misconception is that co-manager has any less power than manager. if this was true then it would be sub-manager, but i don't see many sub-managers around either. it should either all be manager or all co-manager, working together.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Pokilty
yea i agree with all this... a common misconception is that co-manager has any less power than manager. if this was true then it would be sub-manager, but i don't see many sub-managers around either. it should either all be manager or all co-manager, working together.

It seems that the term 'co-manager' has 'evolved' to mean assistant manager; at least that's how the usage is nowadays.

[Python523]

Originally posted by Spark910


We may not be able to fully enforce the rule. But let’s take enigma for example. The manager who took over was a load of rubbish. He didn’t come on, the staffs were in more of a mess, and half of the staff didn't think he should have become manager. If it went through us we would have go opinions on people who the manager wished to become manager, as well as looking what’s best for the server. And maybe Engima wouldn't have been shut down, but it did.

All I have to say to that:

b u l l * * * *

Stop making such accusations when you don't know all of the truth. The new manager was voted in by the current staff by popular vote.
and half of the staff didn't think he should have become manager.
Who did you ask? the longtime staff or some of the newer staff? I use to work on enigma and I talked to my friends from there about this, they all LOVED yang, they supported him 100% the only people who probably didn't were probably afraid warcaptain would fire them if he got back into power (even nem said this)

Did you even bother to figure out why he wasn't on? He had real life problems for about two weeks, he had left people in charge though.

[MadWolf]

Wow, Graal is evolving into an even more communistic society. Go PWA.
In regards to Spark, next time you decide to make a thread about something this big, make sure to read over your post and word everything the way you want it. This way, this kind of stuff doesn't happen. Though, it probaly still would have because you just sugar coated it, but hey!

[Spark910]

Yes all my fault, I should have done as you have said.
And Python, I didnt ASK anyone, about 20 staff CAME to me and asked for a more active person to fit the job. Either way it was taken down for no reason to do with krazie. And I am only going by what I heard, it was being sorted and figured out, but as we were in the middle of about 4 other PWs, we couldn't do Enigma striaght away, and then it was shut down before we could start, and so I am only going off the reports and complaints staff gave me, which could all be invalid.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Spark910
Yes all my fault, I should have done as you have said.
And Python, I didnt ASK anyone, about 20 staff CAME to me and asked for a more active person to fit the job. Either way it was taken down for no reason to do with krazie. And I am only going by what I heard, it was being sorted and figured out, but as we were in the middle of about 4 other PWs, we couldn't do Enigma striaght away, and then it was shut down before we could start, and so I am only going off the reports and complaints staff gave me, which could all be invalid.

He's Jagen, not "Python". In a thread where he tells you that you are speaking without knowledge, it would be beneficial to your argument to speak with as much knowledge as you can. Otherwise, you just help to prove him right. (And if you didn't know that he was Jagen...well...what can I say, other than you don't know as much as you think you do. And it even says that in his signature, so if you didn't know, you should have anyway?)

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Tseng


He's Jagen, not "Python". In a thread where he tells you that you are speaking without knowledge, it would be beneficial to your argument to speak with as much knowledge as you can. Otherwise, you just help to prove him right. (And if you didn't know that he was Jagen...well...what can I say, other than you don't know as much as you think you do. And it even says that in his signature, so if you didn't know, you should have anyway?)

I am aware of his nickname, simple mistake.

[Python523]

Originally posted by Spark910
Yes all my fault, I should have done as you have said.
And Python, I didnt ASK anyone, about 20 staff CAME to me and asked for a more active person to fit the job. Either way it was taken down for no reason to do with krazie. And I am only going by what I heard, it was being sorted and figured out, but as we were in the middle of about 4 other PWs, we couldn't do Enigma striaght away, and then it was shut down before we could start, and so I am only going off the reports and complaints staff gave me, which could all be invalid.

I can't tell if that sentence is sarcastic or not :X

They had more than 20 staff?? wow x.x, and I never even found out why it was shut down, Stefan doesnt even know and Nemesis denies shutting it down, and sorry if I was sounding like a b*tch to you but you sounded like you didn't even consider that your opinion might not be correct

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Python523


I can't tell if that sentence is sarcastic or not :X

They had more than 20 staff?? wow x.x, and I never even found out why it was shut down, Stefan doesnt even know and Nemesis denies shutting it down, and sorry if I was sounding like a b*tch to you but you sounded like you didn't even consider that your opinion might not be correct

I was probably being a b*tch. Because:

Someone on AIM shouting at me because I cant unban his accnt. And I said I dont have contact with anyone who can, other than Nem, who was busy at the time. And I did ask him, and he didnt know why either, yet he still shouted at me and swore at me because I couldnt do anything:

OMG DUDE IF U WANTED TO THEN U COULD GET IT UNBAN SOME HOW....

I DONT ****IN NO DUDE U COULD ASK AROUND FOR **** LIEK THAT.....YOU JUST DONT..WEATHER YOU DONT LIKE ME,YOU ARE TO LAZY,OR YOU JUST WANT TO BE A ASS

And let me guess if i started to piss you off...bye gettin u really mad the magical fairy would just some how give you powers to ban me?

I had been trying to get something done on Bravo for about 2 hours like the day before, no success.

I know of 2 friends who are probably going to quit graal. I know of some others who are going to quit. =/

And 20 was probably over the top. But about 12-15 had. And yes nobody knows why its down, except for Angel, who has heard that it was because of ''illegal NPCs''

[Soul-Blade]

Hahaha..

Wow, this PWA is a complete JOKE!

Spark makes me laugh. He is also full of crap, which is why everything he is saying is funny. I would love to see him enforce it...

"Wow, shifting ages looks nice *makes thread* shifting ages looks good" *logs on...Soul Blade isn't on chat*
"Shifting ages looks like crap *talks to other guy online*"

Spark, you are not fooling anyone. You talk all flowery and nice, you tell people what they want to hear. I have a chat log on my server, and I saw everything you said...and personally, that second all respect I had for you went down the drain.

This PWA position is not for you, and I'm surprised I am the only one who sees it. A person on PWA must be honest, and you sir, are clearly a liar.

[HoudiniMan]

Be nice Soul. You have given us problems from day one just because you wanted to.

[Python523]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Be nice Soul. You have given us problems from day one just because you wanted to.

he doesn't think that you guys should be able to 'boss' people around

[HoudiniMan]

We only have to 'boss' people around when they won't cooperate.

[Python523]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
We only have to 'boss' people around when they won't cooperate.

You also don't get the fact that you guys have virtually NO power, wow, admin level 1, lots of good you can do by warping around on the server, especially since the local admins can disable that with server options, no one HAS to listen to you, the only thing you guys can do is b*tch to nemesis, if that counts as a power. For reviewing servers, stefan had uploaded servers without the 'permission' of the team and will probably continue to do so if he sees a promising world, he doesn't even HAVE to listen to the team when they tell him to upload a world, he just has chosen to do so in most cases. Why should the managers cooperate with a team that can't do anything on their own

[Knuckles]

Originally posted by Python523
You also don't get the fact that you guys have virtually NO power, wow, admin level 1, lots of good you can do by warping around on the server, especially since the local admins can disable that with server options, no one HAS to listen to you, the only thing you guys can do is b*tch to nemesis, if that counts as a power. For reviewing servers, stefan had uploaded servers without the 'permission' of the team and will probably continue to do so if he sees a promising world, he doesn't even HAVE to listen to the team when they tell him to upload a world, he just has chosen to do so in most cases. Why should the managers cooperate with a team that can't do anything on their own

I agree. They sound like all the other immature players on Graal.


I love it when people make judgements based on crap they don't know about, or understand... Sound's like a SLP thing to do o.o.

[Spark910]

To supoer mod:
Please make it so Maloria is:

Manager:MrWorry (JudgeDurst)
Manager:Pokilty (Pokilty)
Co-Manager:Maniaman (xManiamaNx)

___________________________________

Soul, I imagined you would have chat logs. And it doesnt matter, I wasnt working, it was an opinion. And my opinion still remains:

I dont think the GFX on SA are too nice, they look 'bitty' and the caves look slightly awful. As I have said its an opinion, everyone has one...

"Wow, shifting ages looks nice *makes thread* shifting ages looks good" *logs on...Soul Blade isn't on chat*
"Shifting ages looks like crap *talks to other guy online*"

The parts I saw on the FORUMS were great, the images online were not as great. And I did like it at first, but I no longer do.


And why should they co-operate? I dont know, they dont, they wont, I also see no point in us trying to impove graal, as we dont have the resorces to do so. And Stefan does not communicate with us, and we can not with him. The GST are great as they can communicate with him, but we can not.

[zell12]

Jagen, do you have to be such a prick? They are trying to do what they can with what little resources they have. Stop bashing them. The PWA has the power to remove, upload, or remove any staff from any classic playerworld. I guess you still don't understand? Of all people, I expected you to.

Stefan just ignores Nemesis most of the time when he tells him something. Stefan is just giving playerworld managers slaps on the hand for all the bad stuff they do.

[HoudiniMan]

We didn't chose what we got as far as what you call 'power' and you're right, we can't force somebody to do something without help from nem/somebody else. But we can still do it. We don't need any more rights than admin lvl 1 to do our usual job

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by zell12
Jagen, do you have to be such a prick? They are trying to do what they can with what little resources they have. Stop bashing them. The PWA has the power to remove, upload, or remove any staff from any classic playerworld. I guess you still don't understand? Of all people, I expected you to.

Stefan just ignores Nemesis most of the time when he tells him something. Stefan is just giving playerworld managers slaps on the hand for all the bad stuff they do.

Right, you call Jagen a prick for stating obvious facts. I dont see how in anyway he has "bashed" them. As for the

The PWA has the power to remove, upload, or remove any staff from any classic playerworld.

Really? I thought only Nemesis and that crowd could do the actualy work, and the PWA had to get him to do it. So really, they dont have "little" resources then as you just said that can "remove, upload, or remove any staff", right?

[KuJi2002]

btw Enigma is down

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by KuJi2002
btw Enigma is down

Wow, thankyou for that most intresting fact that has already been stated.


You get a Vote-1