Re: Classic

[Remonq]

So, I was wondering if we could get the Classic server listed under the Development section with Maloria, since that's apparently a thing now.

As most of you know, Classic has been in a Development status for a long time now, and has successfully managed to rebuild its levels, scripts, and community. Just wondering if an arrangement could be made to make this work, thanks.

[xiaoguard]

Originally Posted by Remonq

So, I was wondering if we could get the Classic server listed under the Development section with Maloria, since that's apparently a thing now.

As most of you know, Classic has been in a Development status for a long time now, and has successfully managed to rebuild its levels, scripts, and community. Just wondering if an arrangement could be made to make this work, thanks.

**** someone hurry up and close this thread we can't talk about classic here

[Remonq]

I'm being serious >=(

[Crono]

++1

[maximus_asinus]

Come on guys, keep the Classic conversation in it's own section. Oh wait.

[Remonq]

Guys don't make this worse than it already is. I really am trying to be serious here, I want to try to get GtA on the Development list.

[Kamaeru]

Agreed. It should be on the hosted list though.

[PlanetOscar]

Classic clearly exceeds the requirements for being on the hosted tab. As Carlito said himself:

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

Server needs to show a promising direction of development.

Thor has shown a reliant sense of direction for years in terms of what he wants to achieve with GtA, and it's overall a better polished and in reality a better server than Maloria, so why is it not on the hosted tab? It's easily one of the most populated servers, and has more players than the current servers on the "list." If PC Graal is to have any future, the way things look like at the moment, Graal the Adventure is a core factor in the solution.

[Kiri]

I disagree, adding GtA to the list isn't going to save pc graal. the death of zodiac pretty much sealed it and the only core factor in the solution i see is Era.

[PlanetOscar]

Originally Posted by Kiri

I disagree, adding GtA to the list isn't going to save PC graal. the death of zodiac pretty much sealed it and the only core factor in the solution i see is Era.

Obviously, it's not going to save PC, but the fact that one of the most populated servers is not even on the list is shocking to me, it shows the community that higher-ups could care less about the outcome of PC.

Hahah, that's comical 4D imax era is the solution to you?

If GtA was backed by management and lead under thor, you'd be surprised of what it could be accomplished but right now the case is, thor vs management is hurting the server...but you can't really blame thor can you? It's not his fault some people just don't get rational things and can't perform their obligations.

[MysticalDragon]

I usually don't respond to these, as I don't like engaging into a potential arguement type thread. I'm going to try to explain this best to my ability and hopefully get some insight on whats going on as a whole. Firstly stop comparing GTA to Maloria, this situation has nothing to do with ziro and maloria.

Regarding GTA, I tried my hardest to get GTA moved to a facebook platform. Gave GTA all the facebook systems so they could revamp them so they fit the server. I was a heavy supporter of GTA and its progress the server looks amazing. But after promising Thor to go to facebook other issues occured. Things that I should of took into consideration before fully authorizing it. And thats fully my fault, I apologise people do make mistakes and we are only human after all. After logging on GTA then logging into iClassic repeatedly I could see the major concern. Yes GTA is majorly mechanically different then iclassic down to its core. But one of the things that stuck out like a sore thumb, was the gmap. Although iClassic has made drastic changes to there map over the years its still practically the same exact gmap. When this issue arised I told Thor why I couldn't do it and he had alot of valid arguements why I should. But I just couldn't have 2 released servers on facebook with the same map. So I attempted to speak with thor on multiple occasions on what he needed to change so we could honor our agreement. Thor was unwilling to change his map because then it wouldn't be the original classic. Which in all reality I don't blame him to a certain extent. But iClassic released first although GTA was here longer and thats just the way it is. If GTA doesn't make those changes then it might never see the light of day.

GTA is by far one of the most amazing servers I have ever personally seen. The dungeons are incredible the systems are smooth and fluent. And when I first played GTA my jaw was dropping at every moment I played due to the way things was incredible done.

Just because I don't sit here and explain to every person (I would be typing for weeks) on every action we take and why, doesn't mean I'm plain out ignoring GTA. I explained this to Thor several times to the point I just stopped responding because he is not willing to change anything.. So why bother.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

Regarding GTA, I tried my hardest to get GTA moved to a facebook platform. Gave GTA all the facebook systems so they could revamp them so they fit the server. I was a heavy supporter of GTA and its progress the server looks amazing. But after promising Thor to go to facebook other issues occured. Things that I should of took into consideration before fully authorizing it. And thats fully my fault, I apologise people do make mistakes and we are only human after all. After logging on GTA then logging into iClassic repeatedly I could see the major concern. Yes GTA is majorly mechanically different then iclassic down to its core. But one of the things that stuck out like a sore thumb, was the gmap. Although iClassic has made drastic changes to there map over the years its still practically the same exact gmap. When this issue arised I told Thor why I couldn't do it and he had alot of valid arguements why I should. But I just couldn't have 2 released servers on facebook with the same map. So I attempted to speak with thor on multiple occasions on what he needed to change so we could honor our agreement. Thor was unwilling to change his map because then it wouldn't be the original classic. Which in all reality I don't blame him to a certain extent. But iClassic released first although GTA was here longer and thats just the way it is. If GTA doesn't make those changes then it might never see the light of day.

I shall avoid attempting a public argument at this time, but will suggest that several of these statements are either not entirely true or are ignoring an obvious catch-22 situation.

As far as iClassic is concerned, you know I made every attempt to communicate constructively on this matter and that it fell on deaf ears.

[Crono]

@MD its just pc serverlist bro, allow it

[Remonq]

I get what you're saying MD, but to me it just doesn't make sense that GtA is being excluded outright. iClassic is what it is, but what I don't get is how they are the ones getting preferential treatment for their levels even though they practically plagiarized many of GtA's core levels. As you said, GtA was here first, so to me that doesn't even make sense or sound fair in any way.

Back to my original question, can't GtA get listed under the development tab? At least until some sort of agreement can be made regarding the overworld, since that seems to be the main issue here.

[fowlplay4]

maybe you shouldn't have put the iphone in the trash thor

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

maybe you shouldn't have put the iphone in the trash thor

I'm an Android user and it was in my office .

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

But I just couldn't have 2 released servers on facebook with the same map.

The king had two sons, the eldest a wise scholar, the young one an unchallenged jouster.
Unfortunately, both shared their father's dark hair and brown eyes, so the king had the eldest executed.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

If GTA doesn't make those changes then it might never see the light of day.

iClassic should be the one making the changes, sorry. Also all stolen content from Graal2001 should be removed.

[MysticalDragon]

This is exactly why I don't respond, people like you that derail the thread. This thread has nothing to do with 2k1. Since you touched base there all 2k1 assets belong to rufus he can use them anywhere he chooses. Your personal opinion is irrelevent really.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

iClassic should be the one making the changes, sorry. Also all stolen content from Graal2001 should be removed.

"stolen"

[PlanetOscar]

Originally Posted by Minoc

The king had two sons, the eldest a wise scholar, the young one an unchallenged jouster.
Unfortunately, both shared their father's dark hair and brown eyes, so the king had the eldest executed.

Elaborate on this please

[Remonq]

Guys can we please stay on topic. This discussion is not about 2k1, Maloria, iClassic, nor any other server's status on Graal. The more you derail the thread, the less MD talks about why he's not going to list GtA in the development tabs, which I would like to keep this discussion talking about.

@MD, you know how these people are, you shouldn't let them distract you so easily.

[xiaoguard]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

iClassic should be the one making the changes, sorry. Also all stolen content from Graal2001 should be removed.

lol

Originally Posted by Remonq

Guys can we please stay on topic. This discussion is not about 2k1, Maloria, iClassic, nor any other server's status on Graal. The more you derail the thread, the less MD talks about why he's not going to list GtA in the development tabs, which I would like to keep this discussion talking about.

@MD, you know how these people are, you shouldn't let them distract you so easily.

I agree, MD please give us an explanation as to why we're not on the serverlist.

[Remonq]

Well he's already given us a reason, albeit not a very good one imo. However, I want to know if we can't be put on the Dev list for the time being.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Remonq

these people

Why help them otherize the PC community? Rude and not helping.

[xAndrewx]

add a level up system then i am sure it will be considered.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

add a level up system then i am sure it will be considered.

lul

[ff7chocoboknight2]

MD, can you just let us have our fun? I don't understand the hesitation.

Put GtA on the list. If anything happens that you don't like, take GtA off the list. ezpz

[maximus_asinus]

I actually agree with MD in regards to releasing another server on Facebook with identical levels.

But it doesn't explain why he can't put the server on the hosted tab. Unless they're planning on porting over some/all the hosted servers to Facebook before closing the client.

[LimetasticSlushy]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I actually agree with MD in regards to releasing another server on Facebook with identical levels.

But it doesn't explain why he can't put the server on the hosted tab. Unless they're planning on porting over some/all the hosted servers to Facebook before closing the client.

I doubt the flash client could even handle most good client servers...

[Crono]

should mby be a tab or something for dev servers that are open to the public

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

all 2k1 assets belong to rufus he can use them anywhere he chooses. Your personal opinion is irrelevent really.

*irrelevant

Oh cool, so the work of myself and others has been given as intellectual property to a person who never had anything to do with the server and has openly admitted to hating it and wanting it to be destroyed. That makes about as much sense as giving the decision of what will be the welfare of the Armenians to the Turkish. Thanks dude such a legit thing to do. Now my opinion is deemed "irrelevent" with paper-thin reasoning.

Rufus is irrelevant to Graal2001. He didn't even play it while it was a thing. There is no association there whatsoever, he just swooped in unjustifiably and ruined any chance of doing anything good with the best game I have ever played. If my opinion is irrelevant, that's fine, because it's a shared sentiment between myself and a whole lot of other people. Are you calling them all irrelevant?

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

people like you

What does this mean? People who have been playing Graal for 17 years? My sentiment is a reflection of a general consensus of longtime players, and that consensus is that phenomenally skilled developers are being treated unfairly while management makes poor decisions based on awful gymnastics of logic. In other words "people like me" are actually right about this, have been around Graal a lot longer than you and Rufus - and you're demonstrably and factually incorrect.

[BlueMelon]

Originally Posted by Crono

should mby be a tab or something for dev servers that are open to the public

this is true

[Distorted]

Originally Posted by Crono

should mby be a tab or something for dev servers that are open to the public

that's too illogical obviously

[PlanetOscar]

Why can't we just bring back 2k1?

[Crono]

@Kamaeru g2k1 was chopped up and had usable bits n pieces added on iclassic. g2k1 itself is ****ing **** by today's standards. there's a reason it still failed miserably when they revived it like 10 years ago. trust me when i say the thing you're nostalgic about is mostly the community. you won't get that feeling again even if you bring it back perfectly. it'll have like 3 players and you'll sit there wondering why it's just not the same.

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

iClassic should be the one making the changes, sorry. Also all stolen content from Graal2001 should be removed.

Vultures can't be indicted for theft.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Crono

@Kamaeru g2k1 was chopped up and had usable bits n pieces added on iclassic. g2k1 itself is ****ing **** by today's standards. there's a reason it still failed miserably when they revived it like 10 years ago. trust me when i say the thing you're nostalgic about is mostly the community. you won't get that feeling again even if you bring it back perfectly. it'll have like 3 players and you'll sit there wondering why it's just not the same.

You're talking to me like I've never idled on Graal2001 by myself. It's fun to me so I cannot relate to what you're saying in the slightest manner. 60 players and the game would be great. Believe it or not I'm not nostalgic about this. Graal2001 is palpably better than anything hosted available on Graal or iGraal right now. If you're suggesting that iClassic is in some manner of a superior quality, no sane individual is agreeing with that statement.

You're spinning this to seem like Graal2001 is old and therefore less playable when modern-day servers are complete garbage in comparison and you know it. Comparing Graal2001 to currently available servers is like comparing Super Smash Bros Melee to Shaq Fu.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

You're talking to me like I've never idled on Graal2001 by myself. It's fun to me so I cannot relate to what you're saying in the slightest manner. 60 players and the game would be great. Believe it or not I'm not nostalgic about this. Graal2001 is palpably better than anything hosted available on Graal or iGraal right now. If you're suggesting that iClassic is in some manner of a superior quality, no sane individual is agreeing with that statement.

You're spinning this to seem like Graal2001 is old and therefore less playable when modern-day servers are complete garbage in comparison and you know it. Comparing Graal2001 to currently available servers is like comparing Super Smash Bros Melee to Shaq Fu.

i guess i just dont see g2k1 the same way you do.

[racil]

You should start a different thread for that discussion.